Not really. Google the law. Google George Zimmerman or half a dozen cases. In FL if you fear for your life and are assaulted you may respond with deadly force. It can be a simple shove where you are pushed to the ground. If you waiver on the fact that you didn’t fear for your life or ‘put yourself’ in the situation that’s different. But if you are sitting there minding your own business and someone pushes/punches etc. You can respond with deadly force.
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Gonna ever give us that opinion?
For what it’s worth, I wasn’t upset with the kid’s reaction. Even if it can be argued that it was disproportionate, it’s a very nice lesson for the girl. Guaranteed she won’t hit anyone anytime soon.
Punching females back is deplorable.
Be preemptive, strike first!
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Gotta agree with @boatguy on this. Your understanding of the law is not correct.
Stand Your Ground in FL eliminated Duty to Retreat.
It did not change the fundamental conditions that must be met to justify lethal force in defense of self or others.
Lethal force was and is still justified when faced with imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
Imminent Threat is generally understood to mean that the assailant has the Ability, Opportunity and Intent to cause death or great bodily harm. All three conditions must be present.
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The principle that a person may use deadly force in self-defense if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm has been the law in Florida for well over a century. Lovett v. State, 30 Fla. 142, 163-64 (Fla. 1892) (reciting 19th century standard that “to excuse homicide there must exist on the part of the slayer an actual necessity to kill in order to prevent the commission of a felony or great bodily harm, or a reasonable belief in his mind that such necessity exists”).
However, prior to the enactment of ‘Stand Your Ground,’ a person could not use deadly force in self-defense without first using every reasonable means within his or her power to retreat from the danger. Weiand v. State, 732 So. 2d 1044 (Fla. 1999); State v. Bobbitt, 415 So. 2d 724 (Fla. 1982). As stated in earlier appellate decisions, a combatant had to “retreat to the wall” before using deadly force. Hunter v. State, 687 So. 2d 277 (Fla. 5th DCA 1997). This former “duty to retreat” derived from the common law, rather than from statute. Hedges v. State, 172 So. 2d 824, 827 (Fla. 1965).
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Florida v. Zimmerman
Case Number 592012CF001083A
Court 18th Judicial Circuit in and for Seminole County, Florida
Full case name State of Florida v. George Zimmerman
Decided July 13, 2013
Verdict Not guilty on all counts
Court membership
Judge sitting Debra Nelson
Case opinions
Decision by Jury Verdict: Not guilty
State of Florida v. George Zimmerman was a criminal prosecution of George Zimmerman on the charge of second-degree murder stemming from the shooting of Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012.[Note 1]
On April 11, 2012, George Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. In support of the charges, the State filed an affidavit of probable cause, stating that Zimmerman profiled and confronted Martin and shot him to death while Martin was committing no crimes.[1] Florida State Attorney Angela Corey announced the charges against Zimmerman during a televised press conference and reported that Zimmerman was in custody after turning himself in to law enforcement.[2][3] Zimmerman was injured during the encounter and said he shot Martin in self-defense.[4]
After sixteen hours of deliberations over the course of two days, on July 13, 2013, the six-person jury rendered a not guilty verdict on all counts.[5][6]
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We will all have to agree to disagree.
Are you now in agreement? It seems like your last two posts support what I said.
How so… did you even bother to read the George Zimmerman case? I mean, I’m not being flippant here and respect your opinion.
No I’ve read about the case and lethal force extensively.
Are you suggesting that Zimmermans use of lethal force while being beaten from the mount would have NOT been justified, had Stand Your Ground not been law?
Zimmerman wasn’t anymore under lethal threat of death than someone being pushed down by a stranger. In fact I would dare say his was least likely to qualify under Stand Your Ground provisions but he was still acquitted. That’s my point but we are getting off the topic. I’m not going to convince you and you’re not going to convince me. I’ll shake hands to your strong points and move on.
We can probably agree that he was and is a total dumbass, but I suppose we can agree to disagree on whether the jury arrived at the correct verdict.
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LOL yes sir I’ll drink to that.
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I also thing the term “proportionate force” is a bit of a misnomer. Or its just misunderstood.
In the even of fisticuffs, man or woman, punch or slap… if someone hits me, I’m going to hit them harder (given the chance)
editing to specify, being hit with the obvious intent of physical harm, and not having any other way out
I dont think a punch is disproportionate to a slap at all. The slap instigated, the punch was a force meant to convey “I’m not fucking around, knock it off”
Alternatively, she slaps him, he slaps her back… what now? This all goes out the window in a brawl, but for a quick tit-for-tat physical connection, there absolutely should be slightly more “disproportionate force” from the defending party… that’s kind of the basic understanding of a fight…
I’ve never had to hit a woman, but I fully support how the kid handled it. Sure, it wasnt the only way, it wasnt even the most peaceful way… but given how the event played out, I harbor no ill will towards the dude.
Also,
isnt as applicable to preteen children. If I were to hit a woman my age, it would be a bloodbath. However I doubt he can really hit that much harder than the chick at that age.
And:
This is a complete gamble.
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The average person trying to subdue the average opponent may prevent them from physically assaulting you, but it keeps you dangerously close to someone that is probably not thinking straight.
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You have no idea what that small person is capable of. Or what they’re capable of when their pride is on the line.
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Quick example, I had a friend way back in middle school. He started a fight over something stupid, I dont even remember what it was about. Regardless, I remember thinking my friend was in the wrong. Well he hauled off and knocked the dudes block off. The guy (who had probably a good 40lbs on him) attempted to bear hug my friend. That friend was a black belt, weasled his way out, grabbed a chair and bent a steel leg over his head. Just an example of simply subduing being a gamble, and not always the best choice.
Great post!
No one chooses their own punishment for anything, excessive or fair.
No one is exempt from revenge—no one!
Nothing is “yours”, even in some cases your own safety, unless you or someone else can defend it.
The world is a dangerous place! Don’t want to get hurt? Don’t start physical confrontations or insult or humiliate people. Even much of the snark and insults posted online would result in hospital visits if given IRL!
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Fixed the pronouns for you
When I was in grade 7 there was a girl in my class like that, she was the tallest kid in the class, maybe 6 inches taller than me, and a rather “athletic” type of build. One time she started fighting with me in class and I was hitting her back, she tried to kick me and our teacher (female) saw what was going on, didn’t even say a word to me, started giving the girl shit and told her “only dogs raise their leg”. That is the only time I can remember getting in a fight with a girl.
The girl in the video deserved it, you can’t really see what happened towards the end but it appears that she tried to attack the kid again before getting body slammed. What is he supposed to do, let her beat him? I don’t condone abuse of women, but this here is self defense. If you are prepared to attack someone, you better be prepared to get hurt yourself.
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Everything else is supposed to be gender-neutral, why not these hands??
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Guys and girls are rarely physical equals, even if the girl is physically larger than the guy. It’s strange that people always take equality to a physical place when guys and girls are physiologically much different. I just don’t see anything wrong with this because it was a literal split second reaction after getting hit by somebody. It also wasn’t a sucker punch, which is besides the point, but the kid didn’t knock her out or anything, it looked like she just really didn’t expect to get hit back at all.
The problem is that unless you are a cop and have handcuffs you have to let go of them at some point and they are likely to attack you again. I remember a few times when I was a kid getting in a fight and putting him in a hold or headlock until he gave up, then as soon as I let go he wanted to fight again. “Subdue” in this case would have to mean severely injured or knocked out, unless they actually back down.