Maybe this would be easier to answer if you identified as a biology major and classified the person as either XX or XY. Lol
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I see more and more girls throwing punches. They seem to think it’s okay or they have a free pass. They’re the nastiest ones in fights at the schools and the juveniles seem to think it’s ok to attack policed when they’re getting arrested. The boys run, by the girls get nasty because they know they’re not going to receive the same treatment.
I don’t condone hitting women, but they need to stop exploiting the don’t hit a girl thing. Don’t they want equal treatment across the board???
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So a highly aggressive and capable, butch female with 50lb on you gets hit back?
It’s a really difficult one, context is way more important than gender in my opinion.
I was raised never to hit a female and I will teach my son the same thing. I was also raised and will teach many other things that could see the never hit a female role broken, like protecting loved ones, standing up to bullys etc.
If my son endures years of bullying and assaults by a much larger more aggressive female and after exploring all the other avenues to make it stop, one day he loses his shit and knocks her teeth out, I’m much more likely to high 5 him than punish him.
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It is. Especially since crazy people love me. If someone is in the midst of an emotional crisis or what ever it really doesn’t seem right to just drop them.
If restraint, personal and/or physical is an option, it should be used first.
I hate that it happened.
I couldn’t hit a lady, but I really don’t see this as wrong, especially since she was the aggressor.
It’s just a different world than it used to be.
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As far as I’m concerned if you assault somebody as the female did you open ‘pandora’s box’. She got what she deserved. He put his hands up and she went further to try to circumvent his defenses. Had he not stood up she may have went for more.
Edit: I’m not saying I would have don’t it. Most certainly not… but still I can’t fault the boy!
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“Dont start a fight, always finish it”
“Proportional retaliation”
“Never hit women”
Seem to be 3 values that cant all be met, in most physical confrontations.
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Actually that doesn’t fly… if you hit a police officer where I live you’ll get taken down swiftly
Theres a video in filmed in Melbourne where a 14-15y/o girl gets arrested (last year) at an end marijuana prohibition rally because she was distributing (they won’t users arrest on this particular day because if they arrest all the people partaking they’d need to arrest thousands upon thousands of people, it’d turn into a public riot)
So this dumbass kid thinks for whatever reason it’s acceptable to spit in the officers face… the officer (not lightly either) decks the kid in the face. Kid collapses like a sack of potatoes. It almost caused a riot, but as I’ve specified… hitting or assaulting a police officer, man or woman… at least here in Aus leads to a detrimental outcome. Though I thought the response was extreme, it’s a stupid kid for gods sake.
Was even brought to court and deemed to be acceptable conduct (what a joke… no it wasn’t, this was a 14/15 year old girl… probably emotional/upset… punching her in the face like that had the potential to do some serious damage)
If you’re being arrested, even if it’s unfair… you don’t assault a police officer… that’s just retarded. Say you were being profiled/unlawfully arrested, you’ve got that as a defence… if you hit the officer, you’re defence is out the window.
Yes, but his life wasn’t in danger… Directly retaliating towards a much weaker opponent with a hard punch (because they’ve punched you) is disproportionate force… why not merely restrain the attacker? Or give her a push, tell her to back off?
Who said it has to be? Why does the aggressor get to decide the force? BS… the aggressor opens the box. There no rule that you have to respond with equal force. That’s not measurable or fair. And her life wasn’t in danger either.
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I’ll counter-argue that the woman clearly didn’t have a knife, gun, bottle etc.
Its difficult to not swiftly retaliate, and if I’m being honest there’s a chance id’ve lost my temper had something like this happened to me. Though I tend to walk away from situations when I feel myself becoming enraged.
Her life wasn’t in danger, I’m aware of that. I was making a statement as to when I believe it’s acceptable to hit a woman (properly). Given men have 2.62x the level of punching power comparative to the avg woman, given we tend to generally be heavier, more athletic etc… it’s just not a fair fight. If I punch a woman in the face it could inflict some serious damage, thus even if punched first, I wouldn’t retaliate in the same manner. The potential for damage to be induced is immense, the legal repercussions are potentially extreme (if grievous bodily harm is induced)
If someone shoves me, am I liable to stab them now because I have a knife on me? Where I live this most certainly wouldn’t hold up in court.
If I get punched by some kid, it’s not a streetfight… just a regular fistfight between two parties irritated with one another. Am I liable to pull out my .45 magnum revolver and shoot him in the head because he threw the first punch?
In my state they are. I live in the great state of FL. If you shove somebody then can shoot you dead. Its called ’ Stand your ground ’ . I’m not saying that’s a proper response but its a legal one here. I personally would have taken the slap but if it continued that would be another story. If you do respond, you do it to END IT. Had he slapper her back or shoved here she most certainly would have kept attacking.
Agreed, and cultural differences do exist. There’s one state in Australia (don’t recall which one) where the “stand my ground” rule applies (as in if someone is intruding on your property, you’re liable to use lethal force)… elsewhere it has to be within reason. If an intruder charges at you and you believe you’re life is in danger, you’re liable to shoot them etc
Understood, but why not merely subdue your opponent. It’s not hard to simply restrain one far weaker than yourself.
I’ll look at this as a lawyer, albeit one whose knowledge of criminal law is limited to law school classes and classes I took for my various CHLs.
She was the aggressor. He was sitting down. She was in his face. She hit first.
To stop the threat, he performed a right fake and a clever left jab. And then retreated.
She attacked again as he retreated. He again stopped the threat with a body slam.
“Proportionality” is not completely irrelevant, in that you should use largely subjectively reasonable force to stop the threat, but it’s not all that important. A victim (the boy here) has a lot of discretion in these matters.
He did nothing wrong, legally. In fact, this is textbook.
That said, because he is a male and she female, he will get all sorts of grief, just because there is a massive double standard in this world.
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I agree with you to an extent but that’s OUR opinion. I give full reign to the opinion of the person being attacked. Its up to them how threatened they feel and how they feel its best to respond. He did nothing, he took a verbal lashing, he put his hands up in defense, she didn’t pull back so it wasn’t a gut reaction, she circumvented his defense. Its on her man.
How many fights have you been in? I’ve been cold cocked a couple of times, including once by a drug-outed neighbor in Boston when frying up some eggs. (He didn’t like the smell and so barged in to force me to stop.) I beat the crap out of him with a hot fry pan, leaving him with third degree burns all over his face and neck. You use what you have at the time.
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I’ve just re watched the video on my computer rather than my tiny, dimly lit phone in bed (I have the flu)
The reaction wasn’t particularly out of line. There are two things I’d initially missed
- the attempted to hit him once
- he tried defending himself, maintained a calm composure
- she throws a punch
I can imagine this would be infuriating, I can’t say what I’d’ve done in such a situation, I’m fine with taking a verbal bashing, but with physical provocation I handle myself very well
enough… but with GUYS, not girls. I haven’t been in a fist fight since I was about fifteen, I avoid physical altercation when possible. Didn’t use weapons either, it was fists… there was once some asshole who chased me whilst yielding a knife when I was veerrrryyy young, but I don’t think he would’ve actually stabbed me. His mother was friends with my mother, the outcome would’ve been terrible
I’ve only been in one fist fight that was prolonged. The others have typically been almost instantaneous (over within a few seconds… as I believe most fights are). I’m not in it to “win” the fight, if someone provokes me and I have no way out, I’ll do whatever is required (within reason) to leave the situation. An example would be when I was very young. There was one kid who’d pick on me, thought he was tough shit because he was older than I was, did karate (we went to the same dojo.) One day he corners me as I’m about to take a piss and gives me a little shove, tells me to fight him… I say no, he shoves me again… I swiftly grab his head and headbutt him (excessive force, I know, but how else was I going to get out of there? Take a beating?)… he never bothered me again. I was probably eight or nine at the time
I hope never to have to be in one again, they’re unpleasant and typically there isn’t a winner… just “who gets hurt the most”. It’s juvenile and counterproductive behaviour in my opinion
I think you grossly misunderstand ‘stand your ground’ law, or are oversimplifying. If you shoot someone because they shoved you, regardless of state, you will go down for manslaughter at the least.
I was taught from an early age not to hit girls, but in my opinion, if a girl/woman wants to stand and throw with a man, then she gets what’s coming. In that case, you do just enough to stop the assault and move on. Which this young man did, and rightly so. I can agree with the argument that he should have slapped her back rather than full on punch her, but still. Proportionality (and my understanding of US law on same) does matter - you can do just enough to stop the assault. Beyond that and it either becomes mutual combat, or assault/battery on your part.
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This one, in particular, seems to be one that gets a lot of folks some unnecessary jail time.
Because, man, if I launched a left hook at everyone that gave me unwanted physical contact, I’d be writing this behind bars, haha.
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