I’ve been on TRT and currently blasting with 500mg a week. When on TRT I noticed my feelings/mood had not changed much at all, Maybe a little more confident but thats about it.
I thought to myself, I do not want to inject for the rest of my life as I’m only 23 and to be completely honest the only reason I started TRT was for gym gains. So I thought okay, I’ll do a proper 12 week cycle with 500mg a week. Thats my story behind all that. Nothing has really changed for me at all. I started with low test from blood work and high prolactin and mid range e2. TRT made my proc and e2 sky rocket and thats when I started a cycle with caber and armidex. Throughout all of this while I have been feeling stronger, my mood is worse/feeling upset and still yet to wake up with a morning glory, Is it all in my head? Kind regards
Perhaps you haven’t been on the appropriate protocol, your SHBG is low and your protocol inappropriate. These large injections suppress SHBG and is a perfect idea for someone with high SHBG, but now low SHBG.
Low SHBG is something I know a lot about, while larger doses don’t really affect me much, I do feel remarkably better on a daily protocol. By having low SHBG you lack the natural buffer to balance inative hormones from those hormones active and are left with excess free hormones.
My FT and estrogen are sky high on protocol with moderate injections, free estrogen is in the stratosphere because SHBG is low. Excess estrogen can cause men to feel angry, agitated and aggression. It does sound like you had these mental problems pre-TRT and expect TRT to cure all your problems.
Having optimal hormones will only help you deal with these mental issues and suboptimal hormones will make it worse. Those who have low thyroid function are expected to have mental issues and the problem a lot of us face is doctors telling us out levels are normal when in fact they may not be normal at all.
I see you’ve read the other thread and therefore must’ve seen my bloods,
I have not tried EOD injections as I really do struggle to inject in the first place which is why I made the move over from TRT to a blast for 12 weeks, As I could not see myself doing this throughout my life as it does make me feel quite ill and light headed when injecting.
Would EOD help me with my problem I’m having now?
I was also under the impression that free T is the muscle builder along side testosterone. Am I completely wrong in thinking that?
Maybe it is all just mental as before I did struggle with erections even with my current bloods, It was only when I got the results back and saw my prolactin and e2 were not high at all. Then my erections got better.
I look forward to your reply!
I do have thyroid labs -
This is when I was on a TRT dose bare in mind.
The ranges for TSH are not normal as once believed, 95% of the population has a TSH <1.5 and fT3 needs to be at least midrange or preferably higher, rT3 should be <15 ng/dL or some of that fT3 will be negated. Your pituitary gland is yelling at your thyroid to step it up and it doesn’t seem to be getting the job done.
Thyroid labs can look good and there is still thyroid dysfunction going on not showing up on laboratory testing, in fact there is medical literature which shows people with normal thyroid hormones benefiting from thyroid medicine and there is thought to be T3 resistance at the receptor.
Though TSH remains the most commonly used endocrine test in clinical practice, the issue of an appropriate TSH, and to a lesser extent, free T4 and free T3 reference ranges is still under debate. First of all the distribution of TSH reference range is not normal, with median values (also depending on population iodine intake) usually between 1-1.5 mU/L.
You’re testosterone levels are in extreme excess together with a poorly functioning thyroid.
I would need to see rT3 first, if elevated T3 only medicine would be needed and perhaps at a later date if you are able to decrease rT3, add some T4.
It’s difficult to recommend action without testing fT3 and rT3 together, a balance of the two is needed and a lot of doctors don’t test for rT3 which is a shame.
There’s nothing wrong with your thyroid. Don’t let the numbers get into your head, they aren’t going to be normal blasting. Test is converted to E2, bound to SHBG and used up in other ways like making dopamine. Free T is merely the part that is not currently bound to SHBG or converted to something else. Higher T levels are going to activate more androgen receptors resulting in more hypertrophy and better recovery. Blasting has nothing to do with feeling good, and ED or EOD injections with a long ester on a blast are going to have roughly zero effect on anything other than the quantity of syringes you use up. If the goal is to cycle, then cycle. The guys in Pharma can be very helpful, provided you have nice bathroom pics. If you want to blast and cruise, then don’t expect the blast portion to mean that you feel your greatest - it is often a tradeoff for the gains.
Thank you thank you for both replies,
System, I’ll get onto that test and report back.
Hardartey thank you for reply, Sorry (And I hope I don’t get abuse for this) but I’m a little confused about test and SHBG, Does that mean cause not a lot of my test is being bound would answer for why I do not get morning glories? Or does it not matter too much that it is being bound? Also free test, What does this mean? Is it good to have more or less? Or is a higher SHBG better? Sorry for the silly questions.
No worries. Lack of morning wood is not likely to be from high Free Test. |If anything, I would point the finger at the low E2 number. It is disproportionately low relative to you Total T and Free Androgen numbers. Back off the AI a little and you’ll probably feel better in that regard.
I’ve cut my caber and arimidex dose in half and will get more bloods in a month to monitor. Can someone shed light in regards of test and free test - Is free test just useless or does it have a purpose? Cause my SHBG is so low not a lot of it is being bound.
My man, cut your caber dose to 0. It’s not a good long term drug and your prolactin is pretty low as it is. Use P5P if you need to, but don’t rely on caber. Google DAWS to see why you don’t want any part of that stuff. It’s not exactly safe.
I don’t want to make any assumptions, but if you’re watching a lot of porn and masturbating excessively, that could be a big factor in your lack of morning wood, motivation, lack of drive, anxiety, etc…
Your E2 is tanked! those are UK lab measurements on your test and we use pmol/L, you want to be around 80-100pmol/L to equal aprox 28pg/ml on the USA measurements that are recommended here.
Trust me I suffered the same for months and it was the worst time of my life, drop the AI right now,.
21pmol/ is 5.7pg/ml man! You are tanked, you should aim for 25-30pg/ml which is 90-102pmol/L on a medichecks UK test.
P.s I had no morning wood when My E2 was like yours! I’d also inject HCG to get some E2 from intertesticle testosterone conversion.
Speed things up
@sky1322
A couple beers before bed for a week really helped getting my estrogen back up the second time I crashed it. Never took an AI since (too scared). E2 is 77 on TRT and feeling like I run the world.
