The 70mg e5d schedule u were doing, how long did you do that for? Were the spontaneous erections and libido increase an every day thing or only on the first couple of days after dosing?
Has 70mg e5d been your most successful protocol? What about e2? Did that require ai?
If u ask me, of course 70mg to 100mg all at once would cause boners and increased libido…its a big chunk to absorb all at once.
Just started it now. Time will tell about all that, but in doses that were “too high” all that was still better on less frequency like e5d+.
Time will tell as over all I think 100mg seems to be better for me. If things continue well I will just see how it feels once a week as well.
Whats your shbg at? Sorry if u mentioned it earlier, i havent gone thru the entire thread as of yet
Usually hangs around 19-24
Thats same as me but then again, trt usage will naturally lower shbg and when i had mine tested, i was using thus that shbg may have been decreased due to trt usage and not something that i dealt with naturally or prior to using trt.
Oh another thing, what ester are u using? Im using cyp
Cypionate as well. Have heard claims of guys saying they did better enanthate, less bloat and E2 side effects in general.
This is what Dr. Saya says after treating over 10,000 patients, not all but a lot of them do feel better on more shot frequency.
Keep in mind defy medical still thinks I inject EOD and feeling great. Kind of hard to monitor 10k patients thoroughly especially when it’s a huge online clinic. Most of us want to be left alone, that’s the benefits of dealing with a private out of pocket clinic rather than being micromanaged with a insurance paid doc and regimen.
And if I am not mistaken I think Defy tends to start off everyone on a higher frequency rather than work into it.
Many TRT docs I know do not concern themselves with SHBG. I’m not there, I like to know at least initially as it will direct dose levels, for example one with high SHBG will need a higher total testosterone to get a decent free testosterone level. In my experience, I just do not see SHBG correlated with injection frequency and response. Not at all.
I monitor it as if it drops and free testosterone goes up then sometimes a dose adjustment is needed. It does not always decrease however. I find any decrease to be usually insignificant, not always.
I have found that guys using the internet believe they need more frequent dosing if SHBG is lower If they believe it, it is true. Guys that know nothing about SHBG seem to do just fine with less frequent dosing. I guess they are not aware they are not supposed to do well…
Of course, some do better with more or less frequent dosing. I don’t think SHBG plays into it.
I think that is legit. Back in my day I was around plenty of weightlifter guys taking 200-800mg weekly, on top of other AAS. Plus, I wrote programs for a lot of powerlifters and bodybuilders. We did not see the problems that some have with 160mg.
I know, young, asymptomatic, presumably healthy normal athletes, certainly not experiencing low testosterone symptoms, are not the same as low T guys. Maybe not a good comparison. Would have been nice to get regular labs then. All we would do is check lipids and LFTs from time to time.
What scares me is if it’s a pre existing heart condition or something of that nature that gets exacerbated.
Out of frustration, I tried, daily shots, again; 16 mg IM, Test E. Two and a half weeks in my blood pressure started spiking.(140/70 to 150/80). Now, I’m also experiencing unremitting stress related to my wife’s worsening dementia. However, I read @roscoe88 stating that dailies spiked his BP and I know he’s been trying every protocol, so for me,he’s a reliable source. I’ve also gained 8 pounds (152 to 160). Bloated, and not feeling well, so took .5 mg anastrozole to see if it would help. I also have furosimide from several years ago and rarely used it when it was prescribed by my urologist.
@kazuya_mishima1, your 70 mg E5D sounds interesting. I’ve done 100 mg, E7D but I found that by day 5, feel like I’ve burned through the T or I require a higher dose(150 to 200) as @highpull prescribes and uses, or 100 mg 2X weekly. Then there’s @roscoe88 and his best experience with 300 mg, E14 days.
I don’t see myself as overthinking this and I go with the idea that simple is better. I understand whatever protocol you’re on or trying requires patience and time. I recall on excelmale a guy who found that by varying his protocol(dosage/frequency) every few weeks, he improved his libido/erectile function. Yeah, not simplifying things, but, he was willing to do that in order to have some sexual function. I’ll opt for simple if it will work.
I believe I asked a similar question regarding dosage, nevertheless, I’ll ask from another perspective. What I interpret is that at higher doses, 200-800 mg, weekly, in healthy young men, you weren’t seeing the problems that were manifested at 160 mg, weekly. Is testosterone dosing linear or is there a curve or plateau and if you can pass the latter two, does a man experience a different, more beneficial response?
I do not see many problems at that dose, certainly not like you will on the internet.
No.
Okay. I just want to clarify that I have a urologist. I’m always interested in your experiences as a clinician. I have such conversations with my doctor. We end up talking shop, which I enjoy because he shares many insights and new information. Not trying to get free medical advice. Thanks.
You’re welcome. No problem. I’m just relating what I see in practice.
I am seriously starting to hypothesise there maybe something to infrequent dosing. Some of the best I felt on TRT was when I dropped it temporarily lol, and then initially right after reintroducing it. I know high frequency is gospel around these parts and swings are the devil, but the longer I do this the more I am thinking of trying to increase dose and lessen frequency just to see what happens. Something insane in where my peak is 1500 TT and then a trough of 300 TT. A sort of mini cycle in a sense, you go super high for peak compared to trough, your body gets the benefits and enjoys the levels but then you have a “crash” right before doing it again as your body calms and doesn’t freak out. I just could never make high frequency work for me and felt like utter garbage. If you think about it thats the point of prop and some orals, daily dosing because you are hitting peak and trough with high variety within 24 hours, why should we treat Cyp/Enanthate differently when it comes to their half lifes? Load it up as high as you can and then let it hit the ground so when you inject its a whole new fresh “cycle”
I’m keeping that idea on the table. Doing 100 mg Test E, IM, E5D. TT:889 Free T:240 E2(sensitive)61. Libido is strong, some semi erectile function in the late evening. Penis stirs in the morning but no erection. Back on anastrozole. .25 mg EOD. Going to gradually keep titrating. I think I’ve mentioned,on excelmale, one guy found that by going up on anastrozole, up to .5 mg 7 days a week, his erections returned as did energy and mood. His E2 was <5. I don’t believe I’m one who benefits from high E2 .
Me either dude, don’t fall for the hype around here with the love for E2 we are all different. I seem to struggle when it even goes over 30, and I tried to “wait it out” until It kept getting worse and worse and worse. One day I went into work with another sleepless night, major headache, stared at myself in the mirror and saw my temple vein thumping (I get this scary pulsating head if I let high E2 ride for too long). I knew right there and then experiment was over. When I took an AI that very same day guess what happened? Surprise surprise slept like a baby and woke up with an erection. Some of these guys claiming they felt like crap but waited it out I want them to clarify what they mean by crap? The way I felt if I went on like that for months and months I would pretty much lose my job, any social life, and women, also my damn sanity.