Federal Lawsuit For Being Tasered

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[quote]JLu wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Last time I checked when a cop tells you to do something you do it.

This is my beef with these instances and the attitude of cops in general and, correct me if I’m wrong Vegita, but also what Vegita seems to find wrong with these situations. If the cop told you to take off your pants and finger your asshole while whinnying like a horse are you expect to do it simply because he’s a cop? You’re going to respond by saying well that’s ridiculous no cop would ever ask that but the fact is many cops DO make outlandish requests for seemingly no reason which leads to someone not listening.

EDIT: Posted before I saw Vegita’s response to the exact same quote.[/quote]

That’s a retarded argument and you know it. come the fuck on. If a cop tells you to get back in your car, you get back in the fucking car. Seriously, I’m tired of some of the dumb shit on this board. Christ.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
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Why is it against the law to get out of your car?

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Are you this dumb? I’m in rare form tonight, but fuck man. Why would you get out of the car to begin with?

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They want you in the car so you can’t kill them as easily. It’s harder to shoot over the shoulder from the driver’s seat as a cop approaches. Really, this isn’t complicated. Staying in the car is safer for both parties.

Why even get out? Even if he lets you out, now he’s proably going to want to frisk you just to make sure you have no weapons on you. And now you’ve perhaps heightened his suspicion of you. Why do you insist on a position in which the officer isn’t looking into the vehicle the entire time he speaks to you? Or, one that allows you a better chance in combat? “Oh! Oh! I can get out and even put my hands in the pockets that I won’t let him frisk!.” Bwahaha.

There’s two scenarios: The first is that he’s lawfully pulled you over for an infraction. Guess what? He’s now lawfully carrying out his duty. You don’t get to do what you want, period. Second scenario, he’s unlawfully pulled you over. Ok, you shouldn’t have been pulled over. He’s not acting lawfully. Why the hell would you test him on the spot? Knowing he’s already, perhaps intentionally, acting outside of his mandate? What’s to be gained? Nothing. But you could lose everything right there. Save it for court. Geeze.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

What if you are walking to your car and a cop approaches you and tells you, Get in your car? I

V[/quote]

That didn’t happen, and when would that happen?

Come on man, a cop tells you to get back in your car after you exited it from him pulling you over, you get back in.
You know what? you should never have gotten out. You are thick headed

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Vegita wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
so, he had a crocked license plate and that means the cop gets to order a person to do as he feels?

they are supposed to serve the public, not the other way around. They are supposed to answer to us, not the other way around.

The cops were the ones escalating the situation anyway.

He wasn’t ordered around because of his plate he was ordered around because he got out of his car and approached the officers with his hands in his pockets. He escalated the situation not the cops.

Here is the point you guys are missing. I can see your argument that the cop was initially startled and possibly thought something might be going down when the guy got out of the car with his one hand in pocket. The cop did the right thing by getting out and drawing his gun on the guy.

Here is the main problem though, once you draw your gun on a guy, you really shouldn’t put it away until one of 2 things happen, you shoot someone, or the situation is diffused. Where the cop got fucked was that the guy called him out with the “are you going to shoot me?” thing.

Now the cop is embarrased because, no obviously i’m not going to shoot you, but I still have my gun drawn on you, and no you aren’t a threat because if you were I would have shot you, umm… Oh I know, Tazer him.

The cop should have done one of two things, kept his gun drawn, and answered the question before issuing another command, or put his gun away and answered the question before issuing another command. The threat was over the minute the guy saw the gun and got his hand out of his pocket. After that the cop was just looking to punish him.

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I agree. I just think that it is more the duty of the cop to tell him why he got pulled over than for a non-threatening, law abiding citizen to take commands from a cop. The cop had more responsibility to answer the question of why more than the guy had to “obey.”[/quote]

To Duce: I believe you asked earlier why can’t the guy get out of his car or what law says he can’t get out of his car. To that I say what law says a police officer has to tell you why you are being pulled over. All he has to say in a traffic stop is license and registration, then right the ticket. No explanation is required. if things are worse you get read you Miranda rights, cuffed, and taken to jail were the shit is then worked out.

To Vegita: My problem with your statement is it is not the police officers job to answer suspects questions, but to protect and serve right? Once the ass escalated the situation the officer has to restore order not just defuse the situation. In order to do that he needed, and repeatedly asked, the guy to turn around, put his hands on his head, and so on. Police officers use tazers in these situations to take control of a belligerent suspect. The cop isn’t going to put his gun away and charge the suspect while there is still a chance the suspect has a weapon. That is why the cops have tazers.

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Just watched the video.

LOL, what a douche. He was acting all tough and cussin the cop out, then was cryin like a little bitch.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
Vegita wrote:
ok nevermind, just answer this. Do you think it shoul be against the law to get out of your vehicle during a traffic stop when the police have not given you a command to do so?

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Why would you want to get out of your car?

EXACTLY? What do you gain by getting out of your car without asked to do so? You can have a conversation just fine with your ass in your driver’s seat.

Hell,most people that don’t trust law enforcement usually decide to stay IN their car…not get out.

Incidentally or not(sarcasm) people guilty of something usually get OUT of their cars when stopped…or are just mentally handicapped(or just stupid).

The idea of liberty means you don’t have to answer that question.

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“They who would trade liberty for security soon have none and deserve neither.”

They guy had done nothing wrong, he is free to f***ing get out of his car when he damn well pleases.

Then he’s free to take responsibility for his own actions afterward. The possibility of that cop doing anything wrong would have been next to nothing if not for the driver’s actions.

I don’t understand why some people are so caught up in their “liberties” and rights when they can’t even accept personal responsibility for their own actions.

Okay, you are free to exercise the right of free speech. I’ll shoot you if you do though. You seem to have no idea what rights are. You should never have your rights violated for using your rights. By your logic, the Jews were never oppressed by the Nazis. They can exercise their rights, they just have to deal with the consequences.[/quote]

You see this is why I don’t like the word never. This guy wasn’t sitting on his sofa watching ESPN and then tazed by secret Nazi police. He was being pulled over by a police officer for a reason. Instead of respecting the authority we the people give police he did what he wanted because he was pissed. He paid for the mistake.

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Did a quick google search and this was the first hit I got.

http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?a=31583&c=29869

Things To Do When Stopped
Officers are trained to place a great deal of emphasis on their safety and survival, so they can do the job of protecting others. Many of these guidelines are based on the safety procedures that officers follow.

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  Slow down, safely pull over to your right when you can and make a complete stop. Please stay in your car with both hands in sight on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to approach. Do not get out of the vehicle unless asked to do so.
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  Show the officer your driver's license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance when asked to do so.
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Many of you really don’t get it.

The cop has no idea who you are when he pulls you over, other than someone who made a traffic violation. He has no idea the kind of person he is pulling over, you might be a law abiding citizen, or a crazy mo-fo who wants to test his manhood.

The moment you get out of the car BEFORE OR WITHOUT the consent of the officer, you are at Level 1 of aggressor. Then when the cop tells you to turn around and go back, you refuse, now Level 2. You continue to defy him for minutes as he asks you time and time again, Level 3. So, rather than contest the thing in court, the right way, where you actually have a chance at winning, you sit there and debate with a cop who could care less. Now you have more electricity in your ass than your Mochaccino maker at home, because you decided to pop off verbally.

The cop views his word as the law, whether you like it or not. If you don’t like it, right then and there is not the time and place to challenge that. You need to challenge these things in court, telling the judge, the cop is just enforcing the law. Believe me guys, trust me when I tell you, this is not the time and place. You need to play the best hand you have, and on the street is not the time.

Was excessive force used? Nope, not at all. He was told a million times, and still refused. The cop will get off, because the actions on the video speak enough. That the driver resisted instructions, thus can be viewed as resistive/combative.

Before any of you numb nuts say…“what if the cop tells you to finger your asshole while you sing Yankee Doodle?”, go STFU. That is not the case in this video, and if or when that situation happens, then you deal with that accordingly. Honestly the sound of some of you makes me think you live under a rock.

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They should’ve tasered the dumbass in the fucking throat. 6 times. In the fucking throat.

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[quote]leaftye wrote:
They should’ve tasered the dumbass in the fucking throat. 6 times. In the fucking throat.[/quote]

LMAO

and Maximus, dead on man. the people who view differently, I have a feeling, are the same type of asshats as the guy pulled over.

Whenever I get pulled over, my hands are on the wheel. They don’t know who they just pulled over.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Did a quick google search and this was the first hit I got.

http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?a=31583&c=29869

Things To Do When Stopped
Officers are trained to place a great deal of emphasis on their safety and survival, so they can do the job of protecting others. Many of these guidelines are based on the safety procedures that officers follow.

*

  Slow down, safely pull over to your right when you can and make a complete stop. Please stay in your car with both hands in sight on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to approach. Do not get out of the vehicle unless asked to do so.
*

  Show the officer your driver's license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance when asked to do so.

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“They are just trying to bully everybody cause they have a gun and a badge”. The last time I got pulled over, I couldn’t remember where I placed my wallet in the car. The officer asked me to step out and he asked me a few questions and gave me permission to check my vehicle again. I couldn’t find it on the second sweep, so I told him my information. I was irritated cause I just bought food and KNEW my wallet was in my car, so I ducked my head back in real quick to look for it again and I hear this sharp “sir, please step back”. As I stand up, I looked at his partner and he was ready to draw his weapon. The problem with that whole scenario is that I am a concealed carrier and I have a weapon on me at all times and they could have justifiably shot me. Why didn’t they? Cause I FRICKIN LISTENED TO WHAT THEY SAID (and they saw my golf clubs and were bs’ing 80% of the time about golf).

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
leaftye wrote:
They should’ve tasered the dumbass in the fucking throat. 6 times. In the fucking throat.

LMAO

and Maximus, dead on man. the people who view differently, I have a feeling, are the same type of asshats as the guy pulled over.

Whenever I get pulled over, my hands are on the wheel. They don’t know who they just pulled over.[/quote]

That’s the thing I don’t get, just take your ticket and if you want to contest it in court, go for it. You have no chance in hell when you act like this fool does. Behave, and you spend the night in your own bed. Don’t behave, and you sleep on the floor of a holding tank all night. Just so people know, imagine the nastiest gas station bathroom floor, and that is your bed for the evening, with your toilet in the corner. If you think you have no rights being pulled over, wait til you go to jail.

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[quote]leaftye wrote:
They should’ve tasered the dumbass in the fucking throat. 6 times. In the fucking throat.[/quote]

Pure WIN.

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What a DUMBASS!! His balls would be more appropriate then the throat, IMO ; )

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In my own experiences, whether being pulled over or in boot camp, you always do as the officer tells you. Fail to do so and you appear aggressive, and the officer will defend himself if he feels his life could be in danger.

And the thing I dont understand; why would anyone disobey an order from someone who is allowed to use lethal force? If he told me to get on the ground, I’d get on the fucking ground.

And by the way, tasers hurt like hell. For me anyway, there were a couple guys in my troop who didnt feel any pain but were subdued none the less. We just had the prongs taped to our backs though, they also leave small welts, burn marks I assume.

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Cop’s should have there badges pulled. The guy was no threat.

Tho I will say the guy did act like a douche bag.

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Any of yall ever waited for an officer to approach, then have him reach through the window and drag you out of the car by your shirt before anyone said a word? Because apparently being a teenager and driving a lowered civic is probable cause.

Why exactly do I have to sit in a car and wait for an armed individual to aggressively approach me?

Why can I not take the same steps to protect my safety that the cops get to?

Cops are no better than any individual. Do you think carrying a badge makes a person less likely to commit a crime, or more likely?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
They want you in the car so you can’t kill them as easily. It’s harder to shoot over the shoulder from the driver’s seat as a cop approaches. Really, this isn’t complicated. Staying in the car is safer for both parties.
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It is not safer for the civilian. the same way it isn’t safer for the cop to sit in the car as the civilian approaches.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

To Duce: I believe you asked earlier why can’t the guy get out of his car or what law says he can’t get out of his car. To that I say what law says a police officer has to tell you why you are being pulled over. All he has to say in a traffic stop is license and registration, then right the ticket. No explanation is required. if things are worse you get read you Miranda rights, cuffed, and taken to jail were the shit is then worked out.

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The cop took an oath to the public and as such it is his duty to be reasonable. the civilian just by his existence has no such duty. By shear logic of defusing the situation and an fulfilling his oath of SERVICE he should answer. Not to mention, in the US, everyone has a right to know what crime they are being charged with.

He also never asked for license and registration. Nor am I even sure a crooked plate is a ticket able offense.