FDA Recalls Popular Diet Pill

Nutrition
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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Professor X wrote: The thing is, those same “reported cases” are how they got ephedrine banned even though most of the complaints were because if insomnia or headaches…much the same as coffee.

Some did die. They took 3-4 times the recommended dose.

The irresponsible masses are ruining life for the rest of us. What’s new?

I am more concerned than usual, though. The reports involve liver damage. If people are following the label and having liver problems, I’m concerned.[/quote]

I see your point, but I think you are missing one important thing.

People will often lie to their doctors, for fear of looking like an idiot, or getting their doctors dissaproval.

I have friends who are doctors and pharmacists, and they all tell stories about patients who lie about the circumstances of their injuries. It’s only if they take the extra effort to call them on their bullshit that they tell the truth.

Hell, I had people lie to me when I was a student working at GNC.

Guy: Those pills made me feel sick.
Me: Really? how many did you take?
Guy: Like, what it said on the bottle.
Me: Are you sure, I’ve never heard of someone getting sick off of one pill before.
Guy: Well, it might have been 3 or 4, I was drinking and I was going out to the bar, but I was feeling tired, I’m not really sure.

That was a combination of dozens of conversations I had with people.

I have no love for that company, but at this point, it seems very premature to blame the company.

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I’m not a big fan of the entire line of snake oils that Huscleheck pimps out, but I’m saying bullshit on all this. It makes no sense. I remember taking 8 caps of the EXTREME variation and never suffering jaundice or needing a liver transplant. BALLZ ON ALL OF IT!

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I like how one of the reports said somebody died in 2007 and is just now being reported. LOL

somebody looking to jump on the ‘we gonna sue you good’ wagon? lol[/quote]

^^^^LMAO! Yip boys we should all get liquored up for a couple weeks and run some (enchiladas) you know to burn fat and get a liver panel pulled and blame the elevated values on the (possum) Mad Libs were fucking rad.

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Ephedrine was banned for 1 reason alone, it is the main ingredient in meth.

Even water is toxic if you drink too much of it.

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[quote]Gouch wrote:
Ephedrine was banned for 1 reason alone, it is the main ingredient in meth.
.[/quote]

LOL. Good thing we stopped people from using that drug, huh?

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Just browsing the replies, it seems everyone on here overwhelmingly disfavors regulation of the supp industry. I guess I understand how you guys fear the FDA, because they can be idiots, but I think they have to draw a line somewhere.

Because the supp industry is completely not regulated, a company can manufacture sugar pills and label them as fat burners. That’s because without FDA oversight, “fat burner” has no legal definition. These terms aren’t defined.

The biggest problem is not the dangerous nature of products, its whether or not they actually do what they claim. MT can claim whatever they want without regard to the truth or veracity of such statements. No other consumer product has that liberty.

That’s consumer fraud.

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I just got interviewed for Fox news about this. It was so obvious that they didn’t really care to hear the truth of what many are saying in this thread. So, I doubt much of what I said will actually make it on the news tonight.

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I know of several guys at my gym who pop this specific supplement like it’s tic-tacs. I have overheard them talking about taking a triple dose since they are going out drinking that night or went out drinking the night before. It’s the retards like this who cause these kind of problems.

This just has bad news written all over it for the supp industry. It’s time to think about stocking up on your favorite supps before they get banned or the price goes though the roof because of new FDA regulation.

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Human error is always missed as something to factor in.

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how the hell is hydroxycut going to cause rhabdomyolysis, “a type of muscle damage”. just bad logic all around. while we are at it why doesn’t the gov’t just regulate/ban everything?

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[quote]Grindsmen wrote:
“According to the groundbreaking 2003 medical report Death by Medicine, by Drs. Gary Null, Carolyn Dean, Martin Feldman, Debora Rasio and Dorothy Smith, 783,936 people in the United States die every year from conventional medicine mistakes”.

Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists - NaturalNews.com [/quote]

Hi Grindsmen,

You might want to recheck this with other sources. Gary Null and a couple others on your list aren’t even MD’s, they are PhD?s and Null has a very big business in the alternative medicine area. He has a financial stake in that argument.

No offense to you but the number you quoted is so statistically off, it is relevant to bring it up. I know the argument is that if even one person dies a year due to doctor negligence, that is too many but sadly that is not the real world we live in. Your source simply cannot quadruple the number of iatrogenic deaths in a year to simply prove the point that there are problems with the current medical system.

Iatrogenic death and injury covers a wide range of causes of death which are not limited to negligence. If a doctor performs surgery on you and complications arise to no fault of the doctor?s work that is considered an iatrogenic death. Infections after major surgery which are not as easy to prevent as say preventing your finger from getting infected after a cut (i.e. they are going to happen) are also included. A large amount of the iatrogenic deaths occur in individuals with weak resistance/immune systems (i.e. the elderly).

Does that mean that bad medicine and faulty record keeping on drugs that patients are taking do not result in death? Of course not and that is a major problem that needs to be addressed by modern medicine. However going to the opposite extreme and killing off an additional 500,000 to 600,000 people to prove a point is outright wrongheaded.

Sorry for the rant but the bottom line is that our evil, modern, pharmaceutical drug system saves a hell of a lot more people than it supposedly kills. There are a lot of people who have survived or are able to live with things like AIDS and Cancer because of our current system.

Then again, if people don’t like it they could put the effort in to take better care of themselves which would avoid not all, but a lot of the disease we see nowadays and you don?t have to go to the extremes like guys like Null and Chek in order to do so.

The only thing I can figure is that a guy like Gary Null is trying to scare the hell out of people into buying his products, books, and supplements. Here are some of the products that Null hocks:

http://www.gnhealthyliving.com/Scripts/default.asp

http://www.garynull.com/GNbooks.php

http://www.garynull.com/GNdvds.php

This one blows my mind since I didn?t realize Null had a background in Vet. medicine but I guess it makes him money so why not.

http://www.garynull.com/GNpetcare.php

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I just got interviewed for Fox news about this. It was so obvious that they didn’t really care to hear the truth of what many are saying in this thread. So, I doubt much of what I said will actually make it on the news tonight.[/quote]

I really hate when news reports attack the company directly and NEVER look at the real reason or truth behind a call back on supplements from the FDA. I personally think it is corrupt in a sense.

I believe companies should run trails of their products on people. Just like when a prescription medication comes out, there is countless years of research done and overviews (yes I know I may be blowing it out of proportion comparing it to prescription drugs). I would like for a supplement company to have research done in which anyone can read about being available to the public and decide for themselves. (Take for instance the Canadian Pharmaceutical Guide (I bought one for pharm tech and is 4" thick) loaded with information about drugs.) And not have these "when compared with 15 athletes and 15 non athletes" junk it should be done with a higher number test group over a long period of time.

It all boils down to one thing tho…MONEY and how we (supplement companies) can make the most of it.

and we wouldn’t be having this debate if it’s done right the first time. Just my .02 cents.

Edit: I am not attack any or one specific supplement company as some do better jobs than others, just in general.

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Amazing, they didn’t include anything else I said except for “I used it for 2 weeks in HS with no side effects”.

Guess they didn’t want to show both sides of the story, imagine that

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Westclock wrote: It has no ingredients that are metabolized by the liver.

Not on the label. If you knew anything about the company, you wouldn’t trust the label.[/quote]

This is indeed a good point, but still even among amphetamines very few are hepatotoxic.

Its a rarity.

And even if he were using straight, well known hepatotoxic stims in the product at the levels necessary to cause liver failure… there is no way you wouldn’t test positive for speed on even a highschool sports piss test.

Not to mention the problems of dependency, why arent all the kids addicts ?

While I maintain that hydroxycut is caffeine and herbal bullshit.

I would love for them to test the stuff, and figure out exactly whats in it, if he is indeed using amphetamines, I would love to know exactly which one, why it was chosen, and how hes masking it.

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[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Grindsmen wrote:
“According to the groundbreaking 2003 medical report Death by Medicine, by Drs. Gary Null, Carolyn Dean, Martin Feldman, Debora Rasio and Dorothy Smith, 783,936 people in the United States die every year from conventional medicine mistakes”.

Hi Grindsmen,

You might want to recheck this with other sources. [/quote]

I would have stopped at “783,936 people die every year”. If a yearly statistic is quoted with precision like that, your bullshit detector should be ringing pretty loudly.

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Plain and simple boys: MAKE THEM ALL CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES AND BAN THEM!!! THE AMERICAN WAY!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Sorry the caffeine is kicking in an I’m getting ready to go hit chest. The fucking shit is caffeine and herbal crap. None of the “accounted for” ingredients are metabolized by the liver. FUCK! They sell the shit at Wal-Mart for 20 bucks. I would buy a bottle because it was on sale and take 4-6 tabs preworkout. Pussyfoot stimulant dosages if you ask me.

Actually, I think this was during my bouts SD and I was got a panel pulled post SD to make sure my liver wasn’t spreadable. I then pulled a Emeril and kicked up a notch and purchased their NARLZ version in the black container and the liquicaps. I was routinely topping 3 times their recommended dosage. Did my liver up nd explode? No. Did I get cuts like Jay “Cuts” Cutler? No. All it really do was give me the stimulant effect I needed.

Westclock made a very clear point regarding the possibility of amphetamines being in the 11 secret ingredients. Yet again, like he also said the risk for dependency is great and you don’t see soccer moms buy HC by the flat. I’m saying BALLZ on all this.

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"The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be the third leading cause of death in the United States.

The report apparently shows there are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer. Iatrogenic is a term used when a patient dies as a direct result of treatments by a physician, whether it is from misdiagnosis of the ailment or from adverse drug reactions used to treat the illness. (drug reactions are the most common cause)."

I’m not saying the #'s are 100% accurate, (but go ahead and prove to me that they are not). I am just trying to make a point that “legal” drugs kill more people per year than any HydroxyCut product. I happen to feel that Big Pharma is a bigger threat to out health than the Supplement Industry.

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And the above statistics come from 9 years ago! I suspect the situation has only gotten worse since that time.

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Here’s the problem: America is a nation of short cuts and “DADDY!-I WANT AN OOMPA-LOOMPA NOW!”
Not to mention the fact that there is no short cut to success but hard work and THE RIGHT DIET

—to to mention this “diet pill” is total crap. You’d be better off purchasing some Caffeine Tabs or drinking a strong cup of coffee.