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The nutrients in them aren’t very bioavailable is the problem… and the anti-nutrients, pesticides, etc… I personally like the taste of a lot of fruits / veges but notice zero benefit
You dudes aren’t even Mentioning the cool plants.
It’d be curious to see if the veggies we currently have access to have that many health benefits, considering they’re VERY recent creations, most of which being some variant of the mustard plant that we grew into all sorts of weird stuff. Just from a bio-evolutionary perspective, we haven’t really had much time to adjust to it.
And, of course, current meat can run into a similar issue, especially if it grows up eating these same veggies. But it at least presents a decent argument to eat ruminant animals over monogastric ones.
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If you’re discussing genetically modified crops, it would be interesting to a see a study on absorption/utilization.
Generally speaking, the health benefits fruits and veggies provide are pretty well known, and well studied.
I’m not a modified plant expert, but a quick search shows that phytochemicals, polyphenols, vitamins & minerals et cetera in GM plants are all as bioavailable if not more so than natural plants.
Benefits include reduced pesticide exposure, an ability to fortify some of them with omega 3 fats and increased nutritional value in general by adding anthocyanins as an example to a vegetable where it typically doesn’t exist.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the “nutrition stealing” elements could be engineered out too.
I’m on the fence about Frankenstein food as it is new, but early signs simply show already known benefits of fruits and veggies but maximized.
I don’t think much needs to be said about plant benefits as a general concept. Fiber aside, with T-Nation as a home base, any Superfood advertisement/article will give an overview, and so will beta glucan, rez-v, Micellar curcumin et cetera.
I get these are highly concentrated and bioavailable forms of plant products, but you will extract each by eating the plants they’re sourced from to a degree, and they don’t exist at all in meat.
Again I’m not bashing meat, I love it, but I don’t understanding demonizing fruits/veggies/herbs/nuts et cetera.
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I’m not. I’m talking about broccoli, cauliflower, kale, etc. The things many of us consider as “veggies”. They’re VERY recent creations.
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I can’t get there.
I wouldn’t want you to, haha. I stuffed myself with them for years and tore up my guts.
This.
And this.
It’s a tool, use it when you need it and then put it away until you need it again. For all practical purposes, extremism is not the answer.
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We simply don’t have the biological machinery to digest, assimilate… But people still think vegetables are necessary
Some fruits come pre-loaded with their own enzymes so you can digest them easier.
And if you eat honey you gain the digestive powers of the bees.
And a stinger
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How about kimchi? I really like that stuff. Fermented and easy to digest, and spicy and tasty.
I do like nearly all fruits and a few veggies. I tend to regularly eat blueberries, raspberries, and blackberries and get them from the farmer’s market (but I do have frozen blueberries as well). I enjoy other fruits but not as a staple.
Most veggies are kinda gross. I like an occasional salad or throwing some raw spinach in a smoothie sometimes but I do wonder if we’re forcing ourselves to choke down things that may not offer the benefit we’re expecting.
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It’s my philosophy that no one should ever “choke down” anything. Food is meant to be enjoyed and if you’re eating something because you think you “have to” - then you need to reevaluate your strategy.
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This was a BIG eye opener for me. One of the most valuable lessons I was ever taught was “Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you should”, yet I didn’t LEARN that lesson for nutrition for a long time. I’m good at enduring misery, so I’d apply that to nutrition. Need to get lean? Cool: just be hungry a lot. Need to get big? Cool: just force feed yourself.
Doing these things that your body fights against pits you against your body. You want to work WITH your body.
When I started listening to it and eating the things it liked, a LOT of good things happened.
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thanks for the replies and convo…
As far as plant vs animal first, the idea that moving creatures didn’t move much and ate pretty much what came to them, ie other moving creatures, seems to have more validity than some creature ventured out and found a plant to eat(plankton idk whatever plants existed at the beginning of time). So maybe, animals/moving things started as moving thing eaters… Yes meat is delicious and very easy to survive on… most likely we discovered other stuff that wouldn’t kill us over time, and cultivated it…
Been considering playing around with the highest nutrient plants → strip out the cellulose, I think its really the killer since we cannot digest it, gets in the way of absorption of all nutrients…
Im no fan of tons of plants/veggies, just want the goodies in them, which as far as I can tell is… soluble fiber(great for gut + makes short-chain fatty acids), minerals(potassium/calcium), protein
You don’t need fiber… and those nutrients are low bioavailability. Red meat has all of it including phytonutrients
Supposedly theres 300mg potassium /100g beef, not bad, you just eat 2.5lbs of beef a day if you are trying to get 3000mg/day… and for calcium youll be eating eggs and shells because beef has only 15mg / 100g (calcium you can supplement but potassium I thought was maxed at 100mg/day in that form, its a heart thing)
Maybe 3000mg a day too much potassium?
Definitely. And that is why I tend to not try to force veggies in every meal or day if I am not feeling them. I do sprinkle them in and sometimes quite enjoy them (grilled asparagus, broiled seasoned broccoli, and others), but I don’t feel the need to force them down.
I get this in Crossfit when deciding the weights for a given WOD. One of the better coaches will tend to tell me this: “Sure, you COULD do the WOD at Rx with XX on the bar, but for a training day that’s not a comp, you’ll be better off lowering it and moving more swiftly and effectively across the movements”. He’s always right, once I tell my ego to shut up.
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