[quote]dre wrote:
Hey, I just wanted to thank a you guys for mentioning some artists that I’ve never checked out before.
Roots Menuva - awesome
Gnarls Barkley - awesome
Buck 65 - great stuff
Thanks again and let’s keep this focused on hip hop, not rap.
I’m sorry but Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre and Eminem do not belong in this thread. [/quote]
Check out the roots/mr scruff mashup here http://www.djriko.com/html/tunes.html
Tough track man.
[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
How about Cannibal Ox, El-P and Company Flow?
I think you all will love this site:
www.hiphopsite.com[/quote]
Yep, right on.
As mentioned before, J-live (IMO)has some brilliant stuff. I’ve always liked Aceyalone and Aesop for excellent lyrics. Don’t forget Cali Agents/Planet Asia!
Murs (as someone else said) is putting out some really innovative stuff as well as Mr.Lif, blueprint, Madlib’s jazz project is amazing, and from what little I have heard, Looptroop has a great sound too.
As far as turntablism, DJ Flare, A-track, Coldcut and obviously Jazzy Jeff have been awesome live shows.
I saw Blackalicious a few months back and Lifesavas opened for them… excellent show!
C Ray Walz, J Rawlz, Cut Chemist, Peanut Butter Wolf, Dudley Perkins, Madvillain are also wicked DJs.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
dre wrote:
Hey, I just wanted to thank a you guys for mentioning some artists that I’ve never checked out before.
Roots Menuva - awesome
Gnarls Barkley - awesome
Buck 65 - great stuff
Thanks again and let’s keep this focused on hip hop, not rap.
I’m sorry but Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre and Eminem do not belong in this thread.
Check out Buck 65’s felllow Canadian Josh Martinez. They do a song together called Leopold the Apostle which is interesting, and check out I’ve Got Devils by Martinez.
And what’s wrong with Snoop, Dre, and Eminem? Eminem has perhaps the best flow since Rakim and Nas, period. Very few come close to him. Dre, along with NWA, practically invented gangsta rap, and he himself invented g-funk. As a producer, he is absolutely stellar. Snoop, you either love him or hate him, but he did play a big part in popularizing g-funk, and his voice IS very unique.
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I’ve got nothing against Eminem, Dre or Snoop. I like them all. I guess I just thought this was more of a hip/hop thread and I guess I consider them more Rap than hip/hop. My bad.
And i’ll check out Josh Martinez. Thanks!
[quote]Neebone wrote:
Check out the roots/mr scruff mashup here http://www.djriko.com/html/tunes.html
Tough track man.[/quote]
Very nice. Thanks!
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
They are selling negative images of black folk to the world.
Bullshit. If someone thinks that the world of hip-hop reflects the black population they’re morons. Its not the music’s fault, its people’s stupidity thats the fault for not taking the time to learn about someones culture. Shit, in public I see more white people nowadays trying to be gangsta then black people.[/quote]
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men. When i talk to them about making good choices for their future they think that they either have to go NBA, or get a rap contract, or sell on the corner. Talk about going to college, or tech school and you’d think i d grown a 3rd eye. Thats not real, these other “dreams” thats real.
So if you’re saying these guys are morons, you’re entitled to your opinion. I think they are being fed images by a media giant that is making HUGE money. Its like mcdonalds, ok for an occaisional meal, but for a steady diet, its poison.
What other hip hop acts do you see on MTV or BET (the minstrel station)? NONE! Why? Well the industry will tell you it’s what the market wants. Well that may be true, but how do you know that positive artists wont sell when they get ZERO airplay.
Finally, please dont give me the “white Kids” argument. It’s like Chris Rock said. “everybody wants to be black til the cops show up” It’s ok for suburban white kids to “act” gansta. Because its an act. Eventually they’ll but away their gear, get a real job and join the mainstream. For a black kid, whats he gonna do when he reaches his mid to late 20’s? The Gangsta life is not an act. He’s got no skills, no plans and nowhere to go.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men.[/quote]
That’s funny, I don’t remember you at all.
[quote]1-packlondoner wrote:
tpa wrote:
Right now I’m feeling JR Writer. Dipset Bitch!
Top 11 hip hop albums of all time (in no specific order)
Raekwon - Incarcerated Scarfaces
Scarface - The Diary
Mobb Deep - Tha Infamous
B.I.G. - Ready to Die
2Pac - All Eyes on Me
Nas - Illmatic
B.I.G. - Life After Death
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu:36 Chambers
Snoop - Doggystyle
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Err… IMO Drop Jay-Z, Mob-Deep, Biggie, Scarface and Raekwon and replace with:
efil4zaggin - NWA
It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
3 Feet High and Rising - De La Soul
3Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life of… - Arrested Development
And I hate to say it but…
The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
But OBVIOUSLY all of these pale into insignificance compared to… 'Please Hammer don’t hurt ‘em’!
[/quote]
CUZ!!!
You just name 4 CLASSIC, all time H/H albums, and then you desecrate the list w/ M&M!?!?!?
Talk about Hip pop. He’s a half step above Vanilla Ice!
I remember the first time i heard “nation of millions” It was a Jawdropper. It was so different, and fresh and powerful.
THAT IS HIP/HOP!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men.
That’s funny, I don’t remember you at all.[/quote]
At least i’m out there trying to do something.
I hope you are as well, not just standing on the sidelines w/ snide remarks. Like you are in this conversation.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men. When i talk to them about making good choices for their future they think that they either have to go NBA, or get a rap contract, or sell on the corner. Talk about going to college, or tech school and you’d think i d grown a 3rd eye. Thats not real, these other “dreams” thats real.
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That has nothing to do with music. The failure in our education system along with bad parenting is the culprit for not teching them what they can achieve. Everybody dreams of what they want to be when they grow up. Shit as a 5’7" white freshman in highschool I hoped I was going to the NBA. Its the same no matter where you come from. You have dreams and you slowly realize that they are not attainable. Shit, I still dream of the PGA these days and its most likely a reality that will never happen. One of my friends thought the same way, he was (i believe still is) black, he had NBA aspirations. His dream slowly faded as reality set in and now he has his own carpentry company and is raising a family. We both went to a tech high school where the white kids were the minority.
It all comes down to how our children are raised through parenting and our education system also the environment they grow up in. Its failures on those 2 fronts, not 2Pac talking about hoes and jacking a car in Grand Theft Auto 3, that lead to their failures.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
The Gangsta life is not an act. He’s got no skills, no plans and nowhere to go.
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Like what kind’ve skills? Bow hunting skills? Nunchuck skills? Computer hacking skills?
/sorry, couldn’t resist.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men. When i talk to them about making good choices for their future they think that they either have to go NBA, or get a rap contract, or sell on the corner. Talk about going to college, or tech school and you’d think i d grown a 3rd eye. Thats not real, these other “dreams” thats real.
That has nothing to do with music. The failure in our education system along with bad parenting is the culprit for not teching them what they can achieve. Everybody dreams of what they want to be when they grow up. Shit as a 5’7" white freshman in highschool I hoped I was going to the NBA. Its the same no matter where you come from. You have dreams and you slowly realize that they are not attainable. Shit, I still dream of the PGA these days and its most likely a reality that will never happen. One of my friends thought the same way, he was (i believe still is) black, he had NBA aspirations. His dream slowly faded as reality set in and now he has his own carpentry company and is raising a family. We both went to a tech high school where the white kids were the minority.
It all comes down to how our children are raised through parenting and our education system also the environment they grow up in. Its failures on those 2 fronts, not 2Pac talking about hoes and jacking a car in Grand Theft Auto 3, that lead to their failures.[/quote]
No question that the Major Failure is that of the parents and a society that has created a permanent under class. Thats another discussion.
But hip pop is a contributor to the demise of these young folk by selling them the idea that they should be thugs and hoes. The idea that thats whats real. and they gotta keep it real.
BTW i think theres a difference between Dreams and Fantasies. Fantasies are completely unreal. Me in the NBA. Me getting busy w/ Salma Hayek. Fantasies.
Dreams can be made real. I used to dream about being a successful attorney. Hence im in law school. The dream w/ become reality.
These kids dont have dreams. They should. They have fantasies, based on what they see and hear from popular media.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
No question that the Major Failure is that of the parents and a society that has created a permanent under class. Thats another discussion.
But hip pop is a contributor to the demise of these young folk by selling them the idea that they should be thugs and hoes. The idea that thats whats real. and they gotta keep it real.
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I grew up listening to the same music I turned out fine. X grew up listening to the same music he turned out fine (debatable) 
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men.
That’s funny, I don’t remember you at all.
At least i’m out there trying to do something.
I hope you are as well, not just standing on the sidelines w/ snide remarks. Like you are in this conversation.[/quote]
I don’t stand on the sidelines. If I wasn’t in the military, I would still be involved with community service projects in urban communities (and will be again soon enough). That wasn’t the point. You blamed the direction many youth are headed on hip hop music…the same music I listen to even though I have a career. What makes the difference in many of these kid’s lives is parenting and their social environment. If they never see anyone who looks like them from their background going to college and getting a degree or two, what do they have to compare to without the guidance? Some kid coming from a family where both parents are doctors has many choices in life regardless of how “gansta” he wants to act in public at the age of 16. Some kid coming from a one parent home where the mother works two jobs and is barely home doesn’t have the same support system. You can’t blame a music genre for that. It is much more complicated than that. The other thing that got me from your post is the assumption that the black youth you know represent other young black males.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
No question that the Major Failure is that of the parents and a society that has created a permanent under class. Thats another discussion.
But hip pop is a contributor to the demise of these young folk by selling them the idea that they should be thugs and hoes. The idea that thats whats real. and they gotta keep it real.
[/quote]
If someone was raised with a supporting role model who showed them how to be successful through other means, they would have more options. Your stance is like blaming fast food commercials for why some people are obese.
This is a great thread; I just jotted down a whole list of songs & artists I can’t wait to find
Some favourites of mine:
A Tribe Called Quest
Nice & Smooth
Big L
Slick Rick
Poor Righteous Teachers
Biggie (of course)
Black Sheep
Paris
Eric B. & Rakim
there’s more but that’s a short list… and I know some people are going to say “You included rap artists” but hey, all muzic has a message 
As for all this talk and debate of hiphop being trash lately, business is just selling what the people want… who knows how long this will last? Rock has been sliding for a while now, and people’s musical tastes will change with age… I wish the early soul would make a comeback though. Now that was great music.
Never forget you can always change the channel, delete your ipod, or roll up your window if you don’t like what other people are playing.
HALL OF FAME ALBUMS
Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders
Eric B and Rakim- Paid in Full
NWA- Straight outta Compton
Run DMC- Run DMC
Run DMC- Raising Hell
Kurtis Blow- Kurtis Blow
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5- The adventures of Grandmaster Flash
EPMD ? Strictly Business
De La Soul- 3 feet high and Rising
Public Enemy ? Yo! Bumrush the Show!
Public Enemy- Nation of Millions
LL Cool J- Radio
No i’m not “Blaming” hip hop.
Im saying its a contributing factor, IMHO a major one.
To me its like fast food. Today’s hip hop offers no redeeming valus and it stands alone. R&B is almost gone. Rap is the diet and it plays that one singular message.
It it at fault alone. Not by a long shot. But it’s contribution cannot be denied.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
1-packlondoner wrote:
tpa wrote:
Right now I’m feeling JR Writer. Dipset Bitch!
Top 11 hip hop albums of all time (in no specific order)
Raekwon - Incarcerated Scarfaces
Scarface - The Diary
Mobb Deep - Tha Infamous
B.I.G. - Ready to Die
2Pac - All Eyes on Me
Nas - Illmatic
B.I.G. - Life After Death
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu:36 Chambers
Snoop - Doggystyle
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Err… IMO Drop Jay-Z, Mob-Deep, Biggie, Scarface and Raekwon and replace with:
efil4zaggin - NWA
It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
3 Feet High and Rising - De La Soul
3Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life of… - Arrested Development
And I hate to say it but…
The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
But OBVIOUSLY all of these pale into insignificance compared to… 'Please Hammer don’t hurt ‘em’!
CUZ!!!
You just name 4 CLASSIC, all time H/H albums, and then you desecrate the list w/ M&M!?!?!?
Talk about Hip pop. He’s a half step above Vanilla Ice!
I remember the first time i heard “nation of millions” It was a Jawdropper. It was so different, and fresh and powerful.
THAT IS HIP/HOP!
[/quote]
I can’t beleive you dont think Eminem has talent. He is one of the illest of alltime, in my opinion. I would say his music has become more commercialized in the latter of his career, however, some of his underground tracks when he first came out were unparelled.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
Well, i go to public schools and i work w/ young black men.
That’s funny, I don’t remember you at all.
At least i’m out there trying to do something.
I hope you are as well, not just standing on the sidelines w/ snide remarks. Like you are in this conversation.
I don’t stand on the sidelines. If I wasn’t in the military, I would still be involved with community service projects in urban communities (and will be again soon enough). That wasn’t the point. You blamed the direction many youth are headed on hip hop music…the same music I listen to even though I have a career. What makes the difference in many of these kid’s lives is parenting and their social environment. If they never see anyone who looks like them from their background going to college and getting a degree or two, what do they have to compare to without the guidance? Some kid coming from a family where both parents are doctors has many choices in life regardless of how “gansta” he wants to act in public at the age of 16. Some kid coming from a one parent home where the mother works two jobs and is barely home doesn’t have the same support system. You can’t blame a music genre for that. It is much more complicated than that. The other thing that got me from your post is the assumption that the black youth you know represent other young black males.
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I agree w/ you. I’m not assuming that some black youth represent all. Hey i was a black youth and the negative folk then didnt represent me . I was speaking in specific about the young men who are “at risk” (god i hate that phrase). And lets admit they represent a large portion of the young black community.There are any number of factors that contribute toward putting them in the situation they are in. Much of it their own doing.
I was critisizing the current Hip hop culture.
[quote]dre wrote:
Hey, I just wanted to thank a you guys for mentioning some artists that I’ve never checked out before.
Roots Menuva - awesome
Gnarls Barkley - awesome
Buck 65 - great stuff
Thanks again and let’s keep this focused on hip hop, not rap.
I’m sorry but Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre and Eminem do not belong in this thread. [/quote]
Roots Manuva’s first album is astounding, and yet very few people know him.
To be fair, it’s like dismissing Stevie Wonder’s great work all because of Ebony and Ivory - Dr Dre is a giant of Hip Hop. From NWA to the Chronic, he IS the sound of rap in the 90s.
Possibly produced way too many acts though who all sound like him.
Just realised noone mentioned 2 live crew!
As ‘nasty as they wanna be’ is the album that I used to play in secret as a kid like my elders used to play richard pryor records.