Right now I’m feeling JR Writer. Dipset Bitch!
Top 11 hip hop albums of all time (in no specific order)
Raekwon - Incarcerated Scarfaces
Scarface - The Diary
Mobb Deep - Tha Infamous
B.I.G. - Ready to Die
2Pac - All Eyes on Me
Nas - Illmatic
B.I.G. - Life After Death
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu:36 Chambers
Snoop - Doggystyle
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Shit, I forgot Will Smith! Forget about some of his newer poppy crap. Summertime is an epic summer song. Of his later stuff So Fresh, although its a collabo, is BANANAS![/quote]
I hate “Summertime”. I DJ quite a lot and I always used to play “Summer Madness” by Kool and the Gang at the beginning of my set. I had to stop playing it when people kept asking “When’s Will Smith going to start singing?” Fucking idiots!
[quote]tpa wrote:
Right now I’m feeling JR Writer. Dipset Bitch!
Top 11 hip hop albums of all time (in no specific order)
Raekwon - Incarcerated Scarfaces
Scarface - The Diary
Mobb Deep - Tha Infamous
B.I.G. - Ready to Die
2Pac - All Eyes on Me
Nas - Illmatic
B.I.G. - Life After Death
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu:36 Chambers
Snoop - Doggystyle
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt[/quote]
Not a bad list, I don’t agree that these ten are THE top ten, but a decent list. I think you mean Only Built 4 Cuban Linx for Raekwon. And I personally think Me Against the World was a much better 2pac album.
[quote]cram2012 wrote:
right on thanks for the link.
I mainly scratch and produce at my home. I have an MPC 100 and everything runs through my computer. I used to play gigs for a couple local clubs, but mainly hibernate in the “lab” these days. I hear ya about the vinyl, you spend so much time and $ collecting it would be hard to part with. I hope you get some tables in the future.
I know I am queer for having a myspace page but I have posted some of my tracks if you want to check them out. Its mostly scratch composition.
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It’s good to see there’s other freaks like me out there. I have a studio built into my house and until very recently used to teach Pro Tools and Sound Engineering at college (I’ve left to go back to university and study medicine). I’m also a complete anorak when it comes to analogue synths. I’ve worked in a few studios as an engineer, both in the UK and abroad. I [u]LOVE[/u] making music. Sex, drugs, music and lifting is all I need for mind, body and soul.
Tone
[quote]cram2012 wrote:
to comment on the commercialization of Hip Hop or Hip POP!
its the consumers fault for the latest trend, record execs are going to promote what sells plain and simple. I personally feel that alot of MTV acts are not musically talented, musicians ect. They are selling images and lifestyles, not quality music.
The real artistry and timeless music takes time and thought to develop and its satisfaction is felt for decades after the release “Tribe called Quest” comes to mind, Masta ACe…ect.
Just realize what your purchasing, from the artists point of view, was intended to be disposable, not a timeless piece of art. [/quote]
Hip Pop (I like that phrase!) is like fast food. It kinda looks like what you want, but it’s really unsatisfying, poorly made and is bad for both the individual and society as a whole. The blatant product placement and commercialisation sticks in my craw. All they care about is money. Fucking assholes!
No particular order:
Tribe Called Quest
Leaders of the New School
Pharcyde
Eric B
Rakim
Wu Tang
Busta Rhymes (old stuff, ELE etc)
Roots Maneuvre
Boogie Down Productions (and later KRS-1 stuff)
Public Enemy
Run DMC
Guru
Onyx
Could go on but thats the first load that sprang to mind.
The current crop of hiphop sucks monkey balls. Asses like Fabulous, 50, Shyne … christ all mighty. Keep it real? Where in the hood you see the average person rocking $10,000 teeth? That aint real. Real is taking that money and developing a youth center, going to schools and talking to kids about education - shit like that. They aint keeping it real, they keeping it fake as hell. All tough with their kevlar and tec-9s. Stick’em one on one and I’ll take’em down to chinatown!
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
cram2012 wrote:
right on thanks for the link.
I mainly scratch and produce at my home. I have an MPC 100 and everything runs through my computer. I used to play gigs for a couple local clubs, but mainly hibernate in the “lab” these days. I hear ya about the vinyl, you spend so much time and $ collecting it would be hard to part with. I hope you get some tables in the future.
I know I am queer for having a myspace page but I have posted some of my tracks if you want to check them out. Its mostly scratch composition.
It’s good to see there’s other freaks like me out there. I have a studio built into my house and until very recently used to teach Pro Tools and Sound Engineering at college (I’ve left to go back to university and study medicine). I’m also a complete anorak when it comes to analogue synths. I’ve worked in a few studios as an engineer, both in the UK and abroad. I [u]LOVE[/u] making music. Sex, drugs, music and lifting is all I need for mind, body and soul.
Tone
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sounds like your well versed on the production tip. I started out as a DJ, and it has evolved into production but its still realitively new to me. (sound engineering ect) I still have alot to learn. Its definitely my escape.
Thats awesome to see other T-nationers with the same passion.
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
cram2012 wrote:
to comment on the commercialization of Hip Hop or Hip POP!
its the consumers fault for the latest trend, record execs are going to promote what sells plain and simple. I personally feel that alot of MTV acts are not musically talented, musicians ect. They are selling images and lifestyles, not quality music.
The real artistry and timeless music takes time and thought to develop and its satisfaction is felt for decades after the release “Tribe called Quest” comes to mind, Masta ACe…ect.
Just realize what your purchasing, from the artists point of view, was intended to be disposable, not a timeless piece of art.
Hip Pop (I like that phrase!) is like fast food. It kinda looks like what you want, but it’s really unsatisfying, poorly made and is bad for both the individual and society as a whole. The blatant product placement and commercialisation sticks in my craw. All they care about is money. Fucking assholes! [/quote]
mos definitely…no pun intended
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Shit, I forgot Will Smith! Forget about some of his newer poppy crap. Summertime is an epic summer song. Of his later stuff So Fresh, although its a collabo, is BANANAS!
I hate “Summertime”. I DJ quite a lot and I always used to play “Summer Madness” by Kool and the Gang at the beginning of my set. I had to stop playing it when people kept asking “When’s Will Smith going to start singing?” Fucking idiots![/quote]
You hate summertime by Will Smith? I don’t think you are allowed to say that. You may get cool points for mentioning Kool and The Gang, but it is just wrong to deny that one song its place in history even if you throw the finger at everything else he did.
[quote]tpa wrote:
Right now I’m feeling JR Writer. Dipset Bitch!
Top 11 hip hop albums of all time (in no specific order)
Raekwon - Incarcerated Scarfaces
Scarface - The Diary
Mobb Deep - Tha Infamous
B.I.G. - Ready to Die
2Pac - All Eyes on Me
Nas - Illmatic
B.I.G. - Life After Death
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu:36 Chambers
Snoop - Doggystyle
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt[/quote]
Err… IMO Drop Jay-Z, Mob-Deep, Biggie, Scarface and Raekwon and replace with:
efil4zaggin - NWA
It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
3 Feet High and Rising - De La Soul
3Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life of… - Arrested Development
And I hate to say it but…
The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
But OBVIOUSLY all of these pale into insignificance compared to… 'Please Hammer don’t hurt ‘em’!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
TONEdef wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Shit, I forgot Will Smith! Forget about some of his newer poppy crap. Summertime is an epic summer song. Of his later stuff So Fresh, although its a collabo, is BANANAS!
I hate “Summertime”. I DJ quite a lot and I always used to play “Summer Madness” by Kool and the Gang at the beginning of my set. I had to stop playing it when people kept asking “When’s Will Smith going to start singing?” Fucking idiots!
You hate summertime by Will Smith? I don’t think you are allowed to say that. You may get cool points for mentioning Kool and The Gang, but it is just wrong to deny that one song its place in history even if you throw the finger at everything else he did.[/quote]
I don’t think I explained myself clearly enough. I didn’t always hate “Summertime”, in fact it’s a great pop record with a definite summer vibe. I hate the fact that it, and “Summer Madness”, now reminds me of wasted, pilled up, pissed up punters leaning across the DJ booth talking shit.
I now have a complete Pavlovian response when i hear either record. And “Summer Madness” mixed into Quincy Jones’ “Summer in The City” so well. Bastard punters!
Who does that gas break dip stuff? I’m really into that. Also thizz face and Ghost ride the whip. A friend of mine was riding the ghost and he totalled his car, face planted into the cement for a good 5 feet. His face was completely ripped off where you could see his tounge! it was pretty wicked. I can show pics!
[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Who does that gas break dip stuff? I’m really into that. Also thizz face and Ghost ride the whip. A friend of mine was riding the ghost and he totalled his car and face planted into the cement for a good 5 feet, and ripped his whole face off it was pretty wicked. I can show pics![/quote]
Shit, don’t show me the pics. I used to love ghost riding years ago. It’s a strange feeling sticking the car into neutral as you’re cruising on a straight stretch of road and climbing out onto the roof. Wouldn’t do it now if you paid me, but at 17 I thought shit like that was cool.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Let me start by saying this.
I have seen Hip hop since close to its infancy.
I saw Grand master Melle Mel live @ a small spot in NYC back in '81 when my uncle snuck me in.
I used to tape Rap attack on fri nites on Hot 97.
I saw Jazzy jeff lose a dj battle to Spinderella.
I saw Steady B, and Cash money and Marvelous.
Today’s Hip Hop, is not! Hip hop was an artistic expression. What artistic merit does 50 cent have? or DMX, or the game?
These guys are selling records. They are selling negative images of black folk to the world.
They are the modern day minstrel shows.[/quote]
I’ve been listening to hip hop ever since I was a kid back in '81 when my older brother would tape rap shows off of a local college radio station, so I’ve listened to (and loved) Grandmaster Flash, The Sugar Hill Gang, Whodini, the Fat Boys, Run DMC, LL Cool J (one of my all-time faves) or into Public Enemy and Boogie Down Productions/KRS One in my high school years.
In a different vein from PGA’s and Prof’s comments, I’m utterly confused about how the hip hop of today lacks “artistic merit”, especially if you are trying to compare it with the early pioneers of this musical style. Is there some kind of substance you think the music is missing now that it had back then? Sure, “The Message” was some ground-breaking stuff, but it’s not like “Rapper’s Delight” or anything else from that era had a serious musical overtone.
And you cannot just lump everything into gangster rap today, either. I personally don’t care for a lot of the music today about bling, Cris poppin’ and rollin’ on dubs, but that’s just me (mostly because that has been SO overdone that I wish people would find something else to rap about).
But if you listen to Eminem and don’t see the lyrical genius there, then I can’t help ya.
Kuz
P.S. I saw someone else mention Rakim in their post. Seriously, talk about a guy who is incredibly underrated as a MC. Hard and smooth, all at the same time.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
A Tribe Called Quest; Jurassic 5; The pharcyde; The Jungle Brothers; Rae & Christian (actually hip hop DJs (UK based), not artists - Grand Central is their label); Gang Starr/GURU and there is one track by Pete Rock & CL Smooth, that is fuggin AWESOME! I have only heard it on one compilation CD, called “The Rebirth of Cool” vol?.. TONE, any idea what CD it was, as mine got stolen 
and I wouldn’t mind a replacement.[/quote]
Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Go With The Flow” was on Rebirth of Cool Vol. 2, but you can also get it on their EP “All Souled Out”.
King Asiatic Nobody’s Equal
For me, Public Enemy represents hip hop to it’s fullest. Chuck had something to say, Flava (before he got all VH1) was indeed the ultimate hype man. I love Public Enemy, they’re right up there with the rest of my favorite acts which includes Rage Against the Machine, Tool, and the like. They’re shit is timeless. “Welcome to the Terrordome” gave me my first glimpse of focused and expressed anger and I was hooked from then on.
As for other acts I like
DMX
Busta Rhymes
Eminem
The rest, in my opinion, is weak in comparison.
B.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
For me, Public Enemy represents hip hop to it’s fullest. Chuck had something to say, Flava (before he got all VH1) was indeed the ultimate hype man. I love Public Enemy, they’re right up there with the rest of my favorite acts which includes Rage Against the Machine, Tool, and the like. They’re shit is timeless. “Welcome to the Terrordome” gave me my first glimpse of focused and expressed anger and I was hooked from then on.
As for other acts I like
DMX
Busta Rhymes
Eminem
The rest, in my opinion, is weak in comparison.
B.[/quote]
Public Enemy and Rage Against the Machine encompass EVERYTHING that hip hop should be. Or at least, what it COULD be.
Can’t believe I left out Rage. As a guitar player though, I think of them as guitar music as Tom Morello is a God.
But yeah… Public Enemy IS hip hop as far as I’m concerned.
50 cent is to real hip hop is what Usher is to real R’n’B when you figure people like Marvin Gaye or Aretha Franklin are in that same genre.