Fake Proms for Lesbians and Special Ed

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
what is your angle here? [/quote]

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Good for them…seriously. Otherwise, who cares?[/quote]

I Agree. If kids feel uncomfortable around gay and lesbian people, then they need to check themselves really quick. We are all apart of a ‘Society’ of ‘Different’ types of people with ‘Different’ types of beliefs. If you don’t like what your area is doing or support, then you have the right to complain.

But if you’ve been singled out, do something about it. And if there was a dance held without inviting a few people, it’s for a reason. As fucked up as anyone thinks it is, they have the right to hold their own private function. No one has to support it, but we all have to deal with it.

Gay and Lesbian and Trans at a prom? Who cares, they’re people just like us who want some of the same things that we all want. Accept them and we’ll all be happier while we get along.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know. Why exactly did she make a petition? Why not buy tickets and show up with whomever you wanted? Was the school checking who students were going with? That makes no sense unless she just wanted attention and wanted to shove her sexuality down everyone’s throat. If that is true, the school was just in telling her no. Sounds like she was more interested in an endorsement than attending an event.

Second, if the parents put on the second prom, they can invite, not invite whomever they want. Though, if what himora said was true, she was just as invited as everyone else.
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[quote]USA Today
Constance McMillen, an 18-year-old senior at Itawamba, recently challenged a school policy prohibiting her from bringing her girlfriend as her date to the April 2 prom. McMillen, who is a lesbian, and the Mississippi chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union urged school officials to reverse the policy both on McMillen’s choice of date and attire.[/quote]

And yes, she was invited to the prom, just not the same prom as everyone else. You know, the one the disabled kids weren’t invited to either! What did they do wrong?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Was the school checking who students were going with?[/quote]
it’s highly probable if her date wasn’t a student in the district. even ten years ago when i was in high school if you wanted to bring a non-district person to an event like prom you had to get them cleared by the dean’s office.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know. Why exactly did she make a petition? Why not buy tickets and show up with whomever you wanted? Was the school checking who students were going with? That makes no sense unless she just wanted attention and wanted to shove her sexuality down everyone’s throat. If that is true, the school was just in telling her no. Sounds like she was more interested in an endorsement than attending an event.

Second, if the parents put on the second prom, they can invite, not invite whomever they want. Though, if what himora said was true, she was just as invited as everyone else.
[/quote]

[quote]USA Today
Constance McMillen, an 18-year-old senior at Itawamba, recently challenged a school policy prohibiting her from bringing her girlfriend as her date to the April 2 prom. McMillen, who is a lesbian, and the Mississippi chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union urged school officials to reverse the policy both on McMillen’s choice of date and attire.[/quote]

And yes, she was invited to the prom, just not the same prom as everyone else. You know, the one the disabled kids weren’t invited to either! What did they do wrong?[/quote]

“When I found out that there was another prom, I called and asked if I was invited and (a student) told me the prom was at the country club so I took that as a ‘no,’” McMillen said.

That doesn’t exactly sound like they banned her. But the quote is fishy anyway. She called and asked (sounds like she called an organizer) then, “(a student)” told me. She called a student who told her the event location and took that as the organizers banned her? That makes no sense.

I’m curious how they knew she was bringing a girl and how they knew she was going to wear a tux. Like I said, her story just doesn’t hold water.

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Was the school checking who students were going with?[/quote]
it’s highly probable if her date wasn’t a student in the district. even ten years ago when i was in high school if you wanted to bring a non-district person to an event like prom you had to get them cleared by the dean’s office.[/quote]

If that is what happened, I’d agree it’s wrong. If she walked into the office and told the administration she was going to bring a woman and going to wear a tux (obviously intending to cause a scene) then the girl was in the wrong.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know. Why exactly did she make a petition? Why not buy tickets and show up with whomever you wanted? Was the school checking who students were going with? That makes no sense unless she just wanted attention and wanted to shove her sexuality down everyone’s throat. If that is true, the school was just in telling her no. Sounds like she was more interested in an endorsement than attending an event.

Second, if the parents put on the second prom, they can invite, not invite whomever they want. Though, if what himora said was true, she was just as invited as everyone else.
[/quote]

[quote]USA Today
Constance McMillen, an 18-year-old senior at Itawamba, recently challenged a school policy prohibiting her from bringing her girlfriend as her date to the April 2 prom. McMillen, who is a lesbian, and the Mississippi chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union urged school officials to reverse the policy both on McMillen’s choice of date and attire.[/quote]

And yes, she was invited to the prom, just not the same prom as everyone else. You know, the one the disabled kids weren’t invited to either! What did they do wrong?[/quote]

the most recent link has been updated scence the last time I read it but it had more less said what I said earlyer, She was invited To the porm at the Co. Club but waited till after the deadline to get Her tickets.

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The Country Club prom was not the one the parents organised! There were only a few kids there, the alternative prom was held at a community center somewhere else.

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
Just b/c someone tells her no, its a violation of her civle rights?[/quote]
yes. yes it is. they’re discriminating against her based on her sexual orientation.

except that this is a public school, not a business or private organization.

now i’m not going to weigh in on whether this girl is an attention-whore or not as this is the first i’ve heard of this. i’m also not going to comment on the parent-run prom as, technically, that’s not a school function. what i am appalled by is the school district denying her the right to bring a same-sex prom date in the first place. that is wrong.[/quote]

I like how ppl pick and choose what to quote.

[quote]Schools rights to suspend a student or expell a student from the school, social events or extracurricular activites such as athletics who is disruptive or other wises warents such action.
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Which is why it was canceled in the fist place, b/c it was a distraction.

“U.S. District Judge Glen H. Davidson refused the American Civil Liberties Union’s demand to force the Itawamba County school district to put on the April 2 prom. However, he said canceling it did violate 18-year-old Constance McMillen’s rights and that he would hold a trial on the issue.”

The fact that they canceled the prom is what was in violation of her civil rights, not the fact they told her “No you can’t bring your GF and no you can’t wear a tux”

Like I said I just don’t see this as a gay rights issue, how does the gay and lesbian comunity benafit from this? The only person I see getting and benafits is the girl who just got a 30k check for colleg. Just wait till the book comes out and Lifetime turns it into a movie. $$$

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You really are an awful human being.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
Just b/c someone tells her no, its a violation of her civle rights?[/quote]
yes. yes it is. they’re discriminating against her based on her sexual orientation.

except that this is a public school, not a business or private organization.

now i’m not going to weigh in on whether this girl is an attention-whore or not as this is the first i’ve heard of this. i’m also not going to comment on the parent-run prom as, technically, that’s not a school function. what i am appalled by is the school district denying her the right to bring a same-sex prom date in the first place. that is wrong.[/quote]

I like how ppl pick and choose what to quote.

[quote]Schools rights to suspend a student or expell a student from the school, social events or extracurricular activites such as athletics who is disruptive or other wises warents such action.
[/quote]
Which is why it was canceled in the fist place, b/c it was a distraction.

“U.S. District Judge Glen H. Davidson refused the American Civil Liberties Union’s demand to force the Itawamba County school district to put on the April 2 prom. However, he said canceling it did violate 18-year-old Constance McMillen’s rights and that he would hold a trial on the issue.”

The fact that they canceled the prom is what was in violation of her civil rights, not the fact they told her “No you can’t bring your GF and no you can’t wear a tux”

Like I said I just don’t see this as a gay rights issue, how does the gay and lesbian comunity benafit from this? The only person I see getting and benafits is the girl who just got a 30k check for colleg. Just wait till the book comes out and Lifetime turns it into a movie. $$$[/quote]

yes, i picked those lines to quote because those were the ones i took issue with.

also, your other quote about the school’s right to suspend / expel doesn’t seem to fit here. yes, the lawsuit was disruptive; i’m not disputing that. but had the school let her bring her date to the prom in the first place there wouldn’t have been a lawsuit. my point being that there is nothing inherently disruptive about a same-sex couple going to prom. the school created the problem when they decided to deny her the right to bring her date based on the couple’s sexual orientation.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about discrimination based on sexual preference.

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about a knee jerk reaction when someone cries discrimination.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.

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OK, well let’s for the sake of argument forget about Constance McMillen. Why didn’t the special ed kids get invited to the alternative prom? I can’t wait to see how you bend over backwards to justify that.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about a knee jerk reaction when someone cries discrimination.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.[/quote]

you’re being fairly cavalier about this. from what i’ve read she was flat out denied admittance to a public school function, by the administration, based soley on sexual preference.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
OK, well let’s for the sake of argument forget about Constance McMillen. Why didn’t the special ed kids get invited to the alternative prom? I can’t wait to see how you bend over backwards to justify that.[/quote]

Were only those 5 or 6 people invited? How exactly did the organizers get lists of who was “different”? Where there lists and invitations even sent for these events?

I bet there weren’t invitations at all. I was never “invited” to my prom. I found out about it and went and bought tickets. Do you actually think the organizers sent out invitations to lists that they made up of gays and mentally handicapped? I agree, that would be wrong, but I seriously doubt it and I would certainly need some proof of it.

It would be more reasonable that they created the 2 events. Designated one for “alternative lifestyle”, and those are the people who showed up. That makes sense. What the girl is saying doesn’t.

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about a knee jerk reaction when someone cries discrimination.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.[/quote]

you’re being fairly cavalier about this. from what i’ve read she was flat out denied admittance to a public school function, by the administration, based soley on sexual preference.

[/quote]

So how did the administration become aware of her sexual orientation and desire to wear a tux?

If the girl made it a point to proclaim these decisions, it seems more than reasonable to ban her from the event because she intends to disrupt it.

If the administration sought out this information and upon finding it told her she couldn’t come, then I agree they are in the wrong.

The first scenario seems more reasonable to me, I could be wrong. But rationally looking at it, that’s what I see.

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I imagine it going down something like this:

Girl goes to administration to fill out the paper saying who her outside date is. Administration sees its a girl, laughs at her and says no this is for couples, one guy and one girl. So she refutes it by saying she’ll be the guy and wear a tux. School says no you can’t come.

(Sorry but girls are allowed to wear tuxedos if they so choose. There is nothing in any school policy against that any more than they can wear jeans. Hell a girl in a tuxedo would probably be classier than half these hoochies wearing nylon skirts to the prom)

Girl files suit against the school for discrimination so the school cancels the prom.

The parents as a result outraged the girl would suit organize their own private party, can call it a prom but could just as easily call it a private party.

At this point everything would be … decent. I could personally care less if she wants to bring a girl as her date but if the school said no its not the end of the world.

What gets me is that why after the school cancelled the prom did they reorganize it for only her and some special needs students on the exact same day as the parent’s party.

Both sides are denying shit as best I can tell. The school dropped it, if the parents don’t want her at the private party they could’ve just said it. The fact the Principal organized this other prom is highly questionable, especially when if a prom only has 5 people it would’ve been cancelled for budget purposes. The fact the Principal was allowed to pay teachers, get a salary herself, and rent out a country club for the sole purpose of keeping the lesbian out of the private party is highly questionable.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about a knee jerk reaction when someone cries discrimination.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.[/quote]

you’re being fairly cavalier about this. from what i’ve read she was flat out denied admittance to a public school function, by the administration, based soley on sexual preference.

[/quote]

So how did the administration become aware of her sexual orientation and desire to wear a tux?

If the girl made it a point to proclaim these decisions, it seems more than reasonable to ban her from the event because she intends to disrupt it.

If the administration sought out this information and upon finding it told her she couldn’t come, then I agree they are in the wrong.

The first scenario seems more reasonable to me, I could be wrong. But rationally looking at it, that’s what I see.[/quote]

if the prom guests had to be cleared by the school administration, as i suspect they were, then it wouldn’t be hard to figure out a same-sex couple.

also, even if she “proclaimed” she was bringing another girl and wanted to wear a tux, so what? how is that disruptive to the event? did they think she was going to grab the mic during the prom and begin yelling about gay rights? i doubt it. so even if she did make it a point to tell people she was gay and wearing a tux how is this any more disruptive than some popular guy making sure everyone knows he’s bringing a cheerleader to prom and is going to wear a white tux?

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[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
You really are an awful human being.[/quote]

I think the word you were looking for is rational. Figured you would have known that one.[/quote]

there’s nothing rational about a knee jerk reaction when someone cries discrimination.[/quote]

Fixed that for you.[/quote]

you’re being fairly cavalier about this. from what i’ve read she was flat out denied admittance to a public school function, by the administration, based soley on sexual preference.

[/quote]

So how did the administration become aware of her sexual orientation and desire to wear a tux?

If the girl made it a point to proclaim these decisions, it seems more than reasonable to ban her from the event because she intends to disrupt it.

If the administration sought out this information and upon finding it told her she couldn’t come, then I agree they are in the wrong.

The first scenario seems more reasonable to me, I could be wrong. But rationally looking at it, that’s what I see.[/quote]

if the prom guests had to be cleared by the school administration, as i suspect they were, then it wouldn’t be hard to figure out a same-sex couple.

also, even if she “proclaimed” she was bringing another girl and wanted to wear a tux, so what? how is that disruptive to the event? did they think she was going to grab the mic during the prom and begin yelling about gay rights? i doubt it. so even if she did make it a point to tell people she was gay and wearing a tux how is this any more disruptive than some popular guy making sure everyone knows he’s bringing a cheerleader to prom and is going to wear a white tux? [/quote]

So could a guy wear a prom gown? would that be disruptive?