F.D.R.'s 2nd Bill of Rights

[pfury]

@anon50325502

I noticed all of my questions went unanswered…

Of course they did.

Pivot and counter mang.

[Aragorn]

@Legalsteel

This clip adequately sums up USMCCD’s response to a Zep thread

Absolutely got a legitimate LOL. My girlfriend is wondering what the hell is wrong with me

[Jewbacca]

@pfury

I’m talking about in the context that the official reason was ‘being unable to vet the incoming people’ which kinda fits in perfectly with Trump’s Muslim ban, that proceeded to enact no changes that it claimed it needed the ban for.

Yeah, that’s closer, but it still doesn’t fit.

I don’t think anyone legitimately thought Jewish people fleeing the Shoah were potential terrorists (except maybe the British in mandatory Palestine, and that was ~10 years later).

In contrast, there is a legitimate concern that the Muslims fleeing the ME will bring their ways with them.

Just yesterday, a Muslim man killed an Irish professor for somehow insulting Islam. And another Muslim shot up a Christmas market in France because Christmas markets are apparently offensive to Islam (which is weird to me, because in Arab-controlled Judea, Christmas is viewed as a giant money maker, since they occupy Bethlehem and the surrounds and it’s the big tourist season).

So there is a legitimate concern that there are bad people mixed in to the normal people.

Now, how to vet the internal motivations of potential immigrants and likelihood of radicalization strikes me as exceedingly difficult. I haven’t a clue how to do it.

[pfury]

@Jewbacca

I don’t think anyone legitimately thought Jewish people fleeing the Shoah were potential terrorists (

I absolutely think it was a possibility. Just like I think it’s a possibility that current day Muslim refugees could have a terrorist among them.

@Jewbacca

In contrast, there is a legitimate concern that the Muslims fleeing the ME will bring their ways with them.

I have no doubt this was a legitimate concern during WWII with double agents

@Jewbacca

So there is a legitimate concern that there are bad people mixed in to the normal people.

Agreed

@Jewbacca

strikes me as exceedingly difficult. I haven’t a clue how to do it.

It’s okay, neither did Trump. That’s why his Muslim ban resulted in no changes

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

@pfury

Compared to the financial industry denying him capital in a blatantly unfair way

No, because someone should always be held accountable for something they had no responsibility for. And they should not be given choice in medical treatment because pharma will lose money.

The American taxpayer gives you everything… Your clothes, your treatments, the roof over your head, food, etc… You have not been “held accountable” for your disease. The American taxpayer has.

@Zeppelin795

@pfury

Then he got diagnosed with an incurable disease and needs someone to blame for his woes.

And you forgot to mention the great systems we have in this country that holds you responsible for things you have no liability for and that denies you choice. Wooo Hooooo viva la Capitalism!

The “great system we have in this country” provides you with all that you have; including, the best care approved by the people paying your bills.

If this country adopted single-payer you would still be denied the choice to use stem cells therapy because the folks that “deny” that choice now will be the same folks that run single-payer.

[anon50325502]

@anon50325502

“If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.”

Please explain how the average citizen does not have equal opportunity in the market place. Please explain how you would guarantee equal opportunity in the market place and then please explain how that will effect the economy at least at the macro level.

“We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.”

How do you have both economic security and economic independence?

How do you codify a right to a “useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation” without forcing industries, shops, farms, and mines to employee Americans?

Please define what is “enough” under FDR’s 2nd right “The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreations”

How do you force farm’s to employee people and allow them to “raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living”? Please define “decent living”.

“The right of every family to a decent home” Not sure where to even begin with this one.

The rest raise the same questions. “The right to adequate medical care” okay, what does that mean? An “opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health”. What does that mean? Government gym’s? Mandatory exercise? Government approved rations?

“The right to adequate protection from economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.” Okay, we basically have that now.

“The right to ‘good’ education” Okay, define that please.

The difference between the 1st bill of rights and the 2nd is that the first restrained government action allowing for citizens to be free while the 2nd requires government intervention in the name of security.

The second bill of rights is literally the exact opposite of independence / liberty.

Please answer.

[Jewbacca]

@pfury

@Jewbacca

I don’t think anyone legitimately thought Jewish people fleeing the Shoah were potential terrorists (

I absolutely think it was a possibility. Just like I think it’s a possibility that current day Muslim refugees could have a terrorist among them.

Well, were there ever any significant numbers of Jewish terrorist refugees? Nope. You know, as opposed to the near weekly attacks by Muslim refugees in the West. So that’s pretty silly.

But I suppose a Nazi could have pretended to be Jewish, and thus have infiltrated. Of course, the first thing to check is for circumcision, which was one of the primary ways Germans looked for Jewish people.

Doubtful a proud Nazi would do that. Although, I suppose that could be done for some deep cover.

But most Jewish refugees were family units. So the boy children would have to participate.

And there was ample paperwork, like the giant red “J” placed on my grandfather’s passport, which could also be faked. That’s probably the easiest part.

But then, simple questioning by a Jewish person on basics of the Jewish faith (like sing a certain song, what is Purim, kosher requirements, etc, would expose all but the most expert fakers. (Israel does this when you enter Israel, BTW.) You pretty much have to live as a Jew to learn fake it.

And the Jewish communities were tight nit (we’re all 5th cousins genetically), so some basic family background could be checked out on top of it all. (“Oh, you’re Mr. Cohen from Berlin? What shul? What was your dad’s name? Let me call your uncle.”)

So, yes, you’re right, a handful of theoretical Nazi deep infiltrators could have poised as a Jewish refugees, but it would have taken a lot of work and effort for little return.

[pfury]

@Jewbacca

Well, were there ever any significant numbers of Jewish terrorist refugees? Nope

Terrorist != Double agent. The word changing doesn’t remove the possibility

@Jewbacca

So, yes, you’re right, a handful of theoretical Nazi deep infiltrators could have poised as a Jewish refugees, but it would have taken a lot of work and effort for little return.

I think it’d be much simpler to blackmail one of those refugees into doing as he/she is told. You don’t need to learn the entire culture if you just control the guy who does

[zecarlo]

We know why the Jewish refugees on board the St. Louis we’re denied entry into the US: antisemitism. The irony is that Cordell Hull, the sec of state at the time who gave the order, later won the Nobel Peace prize. Eleanor Roosevelt was able to save Jewish refugees by bypassing Hull. There is an actual written record of all of this.

[SkyzykS]

@zecarlo

The irony is that Cordell Hull, the sec of state at the time who gave the order, later won the Nobel Peace prize.

Sure, but so did Yasser Arafat. For agreeing to stop killing them.

[zecarlo]

It evens out because Obama won it too and he killed a lot of Arabs.

[H_factor]

The troll…don’t feed him. He stops coming around when ignored.

[anon50325502]

He’ll be back. He’s done this before. In a week / month he’ll post as if no time has gone by. Just wait.