I’ve only seen a few people get increased aggression while they were on. Nothing crazy like killing for no excuse though. I think in most killing cases out here it’s over reaction time, personal problems, and revenge for the most part. Revenge being the factor in all of them of course.
I have to agree im naturally aggresive but,being only my 2nd cycle i feel pretty laid back.
But i do feel a bit more gritty,if you know what i mean?
FROGGY!
More eager to jump,but not whoop someone’s ass though.
Judge
Yea now that I’ve started taking my first cycle I see a bit of an attitude change. I can take less hassling, but I’m a cool headed guy so I’m not going to do anything stupid. I’ve been shooting everything into my thighs. This is the only place I can shoot on my own. Is it bad to shoot the same place EOD for the entire cycle. The pain is like the devil in my thigh, but I’m a beast so I can take it. I’m just wondering if the effectiveness is better if I switch spots occasionally.
[quote]TOObig69 wrote:
I’m just wondering if the effectiveness is better if I switch spots occasionally. [/quote]
No, rotating sites won’t affect the effectiveness in any way, but it’s certainly less painful. I’d definitely recommend it if you’re shooting prop.
the cycle does sound strange but if you have your mind made up to run both, run the sus first, then the prop and if you have nothing for pct use the prop to taper down with
I would use at least 4 and preferably 6 sites while using EOD injections.
Did you take the advice here and start with the sus and plan to end with the prop?
I have some liver cleansers and anti estrogen pills. I had planned to run the sus second due to it staying in the body longer. I’ve already started the cycle it’s been about 2 weeks. I’m injecting 150ml prop EOD it’s not too painful for me to withstand it. Each time feels a little better. I was just wondering about the effectiveness.
Thanks
Are you and boxer buddies? Or do you share retard sandwiches?
It’s hard to get good advice here because all the bickering and bitching that goes on. Not to mention the name calling. If you guys spent half the time giving advice that you so acting stupid then maybe every post wouldn’t end up with people bitching at each other. Retard sandwich doesn’t even make sense. What are you like a 3rd grade reading level or are you just stupid? Keep your lame comments to yourself next time. This site is for information not scrutinizing other people.
The way your going about the cycle doesnt make any sense and everybody just told you that. You realize that when you start taking the sust, you are going to have close to no androgens in your body because the prop will be gone real quick and the long esters of the sust wont break down for many day and often weeks. Do you plan to overlap the sust with the prop?
Also at 150mg EOD after 2 weeks of prop you should be feeling it, if i understand correctly. It should be in full swing and if you are wondering about the effectiveness then i can assume something is wrong with at least some part of the cycle.
From a logical point of view if you are stuck on taking prop right now, why dont you mix the sus and prop for the duration of the cycle, so at least the long esters will be broken down DURING the cycle and not while your tapering and/or doing PCT
You should have went with the sus first but, I can understand about getting sound advice sometime.
sus:
testosterone propionate, 30 mg;
testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg
Im sure you know this, but it will also help me as I go through this.
The problem alot of ppl have with sust is the unstable blood levels it brings if not shot EOD. Check out a roid calc on the web and it will show the approximate tes levels day to day and if not shot frequently it will leave the levels going up and down, up and down. Not something you want… Bad things happen to good people. haha
So, what most ppls problem with going the prop route first is that you will very consistant levels of tes coming in. Then if you were to go to sus WITHOUT some kind of overlap, you would hit a great valley with the tes levels, and a slow build up back to the previous levels. note Figure A.
Figure A.
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Thats just an artist interpretation. haha. But you get the point? Now the sus has a deconate ester which is a big part of the dose. Very long half life…
So. whats all this mean. It means that you need to start overlapping the two pretty soon. Find a roid calc (just google word “roid calc”) and toy with it. It will take some time to find the sweet spot, but-- i have faith.
Also, look at the deconate ester carefully and use that to time out what time your going to need start the pct.
So remeber, Zeek says; Unstable tes levels means bad things happen to good people. Good luck, and if i didnt come across clear or if you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
It makes a lot more sense when peoples aren’t hamering their facts in with redundant bickering. I’m only a week into the cycle. I’m seeing results already from the test. A lot of people are telling me i’m getting bigger. I’ll mix the sus and test together for a week and then stop the test that way the levels stay some what level. After that I will stop the test and start it back when i’m out of sus. Does this sound right?
[quote]getfast24 wrote:
The way your going about the cycle doesnt make any sense and everybody just told you that. You realize that when you start taking the sust, you are going to have close to no androgens in your body because the prop will be gone real quick and the long esters of the sust wont break down for many day and often weeks. Do you plan to overlap the sust with the prop?
Also at 150mg EOD after 2 weeks of prop you should be feeling it, if i understand correctly. It should be in full swing and if you are wondering about the effectiveness then i can assume something is wrong with at least some part of the cycle.
From a logical point of view if you are stuck on taking prop right now, why dont you mix the sus and prop for the duration of the cycle, so at least the long esters will be broken down DURING the cycle and not while your tapering and/or doing PCT[/quote]
Esters don’t just break down all at once at some future date. The longer ones just release more slowly. You can think of say 1/2 of 250 mg of prop moves into the system and is finally broken down in 2-3 days whereas 1/2 of cypionate does the same in 7-8 days.
[quote]TOObig69 wrote:
It makes a lot more sense when peoples aren’t hamering their facts in with redundant bickering. I’m only a week into the cycle. I’m seeing results already from the test. A lot of people are telling me i’m getting bigger. I’ll mix the sus and test together for a week and then stop the test that way the levels stay some what level. After that I will stop the test and start it back when i’m out of sus. Does this sound right? [/quote]
Yeah, that sounds better to me. I’m not sure how the transition short or long the transition period should be considering the decanoate ester of sus. I’m no expert on the matter, but I’m wondering if maybe a 2 week transition would be better. I’ll leave it to more experienced people to figure it out.
My thought process is basically that after two weeks you’ll have at least a couple of shots worth of the decanoate ester active (half life is ~ 14 days if I remember correctly?).
So then the way I read the situation is that after one week of both Sus and test prop, some of the prop and phenylprop esters would be active, but most of the decanoate ester would probably not have been cleaved yet. For the second transition week you could cut down your test prop doses to conserve your gear for later use. But still inject a bit to keep yourself level until the long ester kicks in.
But again, I’d like one of the other vets here to tell you the best way to transition back. Make sure of things.