[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
What does your current PCT look like?[/quote]
BBB - do you mind if i detail my recovery here?
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
What does your current PCT look like?[/quote]
BBB - do you mid if I detail my PCT here?
[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:
I think if you are using HcG on cycle, using a combo of low dose (<100mg) test, aromasin, and a SERM, and are STILL having a poor recovery you should re-address how you use AAS, either blast cruise/HRT or stop completely. Just my opinion/experience from someone who use to have a very difficult time with recovery, though. [/quote]
Mate,
I cycle around 500mg test a week in cycle.
I had quite a good recovery this time around. I think I need to use more HCG on cycle, at 250iu 2 x per week I still had testicular shrinkage. This has taken 4 weeks to recover - so I think my recovery could have been a little better than it was.
I think I also have false expectations of what a good recovery is. For 12 years I have had a seamless recovery - ie I would never even be able to tell when I was off/on apart from my rate of gains. No change in feelings, sex drive etc. I have always been lucky to have high end natural testosterone even within 3-6 weeks of finishing a cycle.
This summer all that changed - I had a nightmare - 4 months of no sex drive, emotions etc etc. I did not recover and eventually went back on. Followed BBB’s protocol and recovered to a far better place. I am not back to where I was originally but far better - and I have been off only 4 -weeks so hopefully I have more to come.
The interesting thing is that I had never followed a PCT - the nearest I had done was to taper some winstrol or dianabol down over 1-2 weeks at the end of a cycle. This always gave me good recovery (never used HCG on or after). This summer I did a very short cycle of 6 weeks test prop and winstrol. I used HCG at the end (I know a mistake) and then the typical 4-week protocol of tapered SERMS (clomid and nolvadex). The first time I included a PCT was the first time I failed to recover?
BBB has given me some great advice. I am ok-ish but as I said not back to where I want to be. I realise I have had only 4-weeks though and things are likely to improve greatly. If they don t I will cycle for 6-8 weeks again but as I said use a higher dose of HCG in cycle and see if that brings things back.
If I recover to where I was previously I will probably not cycle ever again. It is not worth it. Even if i am 90% sure I can recover I will not risk it again. It will be peptides from then on in!! Which is a shame - I am interested in strength only not physique.
If I don t recover then blast and cruise it is. As I said in a previous post I only have one problem with this - my sex drive is not as good on cycle as it is off. This is probably due to estrogen - I use an AI but I suspect my dose is not high enough and I need to look at getting that right. I noticed that as I decreased my test dose last cycle and maintained my AI dose sex drive lifted dramatically
Well yes, 250 IU 2x/week HCG is too little. That works out to only 500 IU per week.
A reasonable minimum IMO is 100 IU per day, or 200 IU/EOD, or 250 IU 3x/week. If there isn’t a reason to stint, then double those amounts, or somewhere inbetween, is better.
As for this thought of giving up the juice entirely:
You could try what I have still not gotten around to yet, other than an initial run without testing:
Starting from a point where your natural T production is good, try titrating Masteron up bit by bit while getting T checked. Start for example at about 15 mg/day or 30 mg/EOD.
Also test estradiol levels and titrate your AI dose so as to maintain low end of normal range.
I really would not be surprised if you can get the Masteron up to a fairly nice dose such as 200 mg/week while keeping good natural T, assuming you had it going into the thing.
Then as an optional phase II after it’s thoroughly established that your natural T remains good on that program, get LH tested, and then try HCG at the above reasonable-minimum dose and see if LH can remain in the normal range for you despite all this (I wouldn’t be surprised if it can) and if testosterone improves yet further, as it probably will.
I found the mere 105 mg/week Masteron, 0.36 mg/day letrozole (in my case), and the low dose HCG use to provide a really obvious boost over the non-enhanced state, though I didn’t measure LH.