Experience Off Anabolic Diet

Bizmark · December 8, 2006, 3:38am

So here’s my ratios for today:

Fat: 131.3g ------- 64%
Protein: 128.3 ---- 28%
Carbs: 19g --------- 8%

Calories: 1861kcal

I was not hungry today at all. Plus I didn’t have time to eat. From 11 to 2 I had a final exam. Then from 2 to 3:15 I trained and did legs. Then from 4:30 to 10 i worked. So I didn’t eat much.

I’m going to be getting atleast 200g of protein tomorrow, cuz 128 is definently not even close to what I should be getting.

To answer the question about strength increasing… I havn’t noticed anything. I noticed that my biceps have increased in size a bit. And I’ve lost one hole off my belt. But that’s about it. Everything is staying pretty consistent.

PSlave · December 8, 2006, 6:29am

Interesting. Thanks to all for posting their progress.

I just came off a higher carb diet and am currently doing the following:

Training days (3):
15% fat
35% carbs
50% protein

Non-training days:
40% fat
10% carbs
50% protein

My goal is gradual fat loss while improving in all of my lifts. I am doing a 5x5 program concentrated around deads, squats, bench, and rows.

If progress on fat loss stalls but my strenght improves, I may drop carbs on my lifting days as well and follow the approach you all have been doing.

ontothenext · December 8, 2006, 11:08am

[quote]PSlave wrote:
How is everyone progressing in terms of their training? Are you seeing increases in strength, or is the goal at this point to maintain existing levels of strength?[/quote]

I am always stronger on this type of diet, Of course, as we have been talking about on both threads, if and when I do carb out, I feel stronger due to the hydrostatic pressure of the water in my muscles and possibly an insulin surge. But I think I’m only slightly stronger, in reality.

My goal, or intention, is just to find that sweet spot where my performance is up and my waist is in check. Strength is a secondary goal, but is always on my mind. In the end, I just plain feel better eating low carbs and have been doing so for about 10 years off and on. My carb ups are infrequent, mostly cause I feel better without them, but they are there because I am alive and ike to eat for taste once in awhile.

SK

ontothenext · December 8, 2006, 11:10am

[quote]PSlave wrote:
Interesting. Thanks to all for posting their progress.

I just came off a higher carb diet and am currently doing the following:

Training days (3):
15% fat
35% carbs
50% protein

Non-training days:
40% fat
10% carbs
50% protein

My goal is gradual fat loss while improving in all of my lifts. I am doing a 5x5 program concentrated around deads, squats, bench, and rows.

If progress on fat loss stalls but my strenght improves, I may drop carbs on my lifting days as well and follow the approach you all have been doing.[/quote]

How many days per week do you train and how long have you been off of your high carn lifestyle?

Love your avitar!

SK

ontothenext · December 8, 2006, 11:42pm

THUR:

On both THUR and FRI, I lowered my calories, not on purpose of course, and am feeling it today (SAT). Carbs were negligible on both days.

Training:

We did a circuit with the class:

pull ups
sprints
thrusters
turkish get ups
DB swings
leg raises
bench dips
vertical leaps

one minute per station with a one minute rest after the circuit - 3 circuits

And FRI was a much needed rest day!

SK

ontothenext · December 9, 2006, 12:50am

Both of these threads have my psyched now…

Maybe I’m going to try the cylical fat diet this week - just when I was hitting PR’s on the Clean too!

It will look something like this:

Moning will be high fat:

cream, cheese… etc.

Noon will be protein with some fat:

Probably my tuna…

And evenings will be low fat/high protein:

some lean beef - chicken breasts - something dry and unappetizing.

Then maybe WED I’ll up the fat again. Low carbs all week! This way of eating will burn huge amounts of bodyfat, even for a week, but my performance will certainly tank. I’ll see how I feel on MON.

I’ll keep you guys posted.

SK

Bizmark · December 9, 2006, 1:07am

SK, please tell me more about that cyclic fat thing. It sounds really interesting…

But heres my ratios for today:

Fat: 261.5g--------- 69%
Protein: 240.4g----- 28%
Carbs: 19.1g--------- 3%

Calories: 3415kcal

Yeah, I ate much more today. about 1500kcal of that was just dinner. I also ate alot more fat because the last few days I haven’t been eating as much. Didn’t train today, but doing upper body workout tomorrow with 30min cardio.

Also, PSlave, feel free to start a journal with us on this thread if u want.

-Biz

Avocado · December 9, 2006, 2:19am

Man I love you guys. So disciplined and hardcore, but tweaky too.

So now that you guys are way the hell over here who will post on the AD thread? hmm. It’s ok me and trib will keep it up.

Good work on the spinach consumption boys. Spinach is for bad mothers.

You should let us all in on what your schedules are? Or is it just by ‘feel’?

I’m basically in the same boat as you guys but I call it PN or AD, depending on my company. Right now my loads are few and far between. I’ve got one day of food orgy coming up on the 12th.

After that it’s Low CHO till the 24th. then begin low CHO again on the 1st. There will likely be days between the 26 and 1st were I adhere to ‘animals only’ but I don’t plan to keep it too tight.

Also, SIFU how is the seafood in korea? easy and cheap? watch out for alcohol because alcohol itself is a type of sugar known as a sugar alcohol. It is metabolized in the same fashion as regular sugar and for most low CHO scientists counts as a sugar CHO. Shitty i know. Get a blood sugar checker (like for diabetics) and check your Bl-S after a few glasses, you will see an unfortunate rise.

Oh yeah, and get an avatar SIFU. The internet is full of soft porn.

have fun guys. I love feta cheese…

-chris

ontothenext · December 9, 2006, 2:46am

[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Man I love you guys. So disciplined and hardcore, but tweaky too.

So now that you guys are way the hell over here who will post on the AD thread? hmm. It’s ok me and trib will keep it up.

Good work on the spinach consumption boys. Spinach is for bad mothers.

You should let us all in on what your schedules are? Or is it just by ‘feel’?

I’m basically in the same boat as you guys but I call it PN or AD, depending on my company. Right now my loads are few and far between. I’ve got one day of food orgy coming up on the 12th.

After that it’s Low CHO till the 24th. then begin low CHO again on the 1st. There will likely be days between the 26 and 1st were I adhere to ‘animals only’ but I don’t plan to keep it too tight.

Also, SIFU how is the seafood in korea? easy and cheap? watch out for alcohol because alcohol itself is a type of sugar known as a sugar alcohol. It is metabolized in the same fashion as regular sugar and for most low CHO scientists counts as a sugar CHO. Shitty i know. Get a blood sugar checker (like for diabetics) and check your Bl-S after a few glasses, you will see an unfortunate rise.

Oh yeah, and get an avatar SIFU. The internet is full of soft porn.

have fun guys. I love feta cheese…

-chris[/quote]

Thanks for in info, Chris.

Seafood is quite cheap and abundant here, but the real prize are the local BBQ’s dubbed “Galbi bars”. They’re kinda like a Mongolian BBQ joint except that you order a bunch of raw meat and cook it at your table on a fixed grill. If you’re lucky, you’re near one that is all-you-can-eat with lots of raw meat and veges you serve yourself and bring 'em back to cook them.

I know about the alcohol thing but I like to drink. Sometimes I go dry but most days I have a fixer upper at days end. I never get shit-housed though.

Everything I do is by feel with a large part coming from where my day takes me. I very disciplined in my macros but very undisciplined in my weighing and portions so low carb yes, but who knows about calories or percentages. I never plan a carb up, or what for me is only a last meal of the day carb intense serving - I just eat a carb bout when I feel like it and it’s been at least two weeks from my last one. Sometimes I go a whole month, sometimes only 10 days or so.

What does an average day look like for you?

SK

ontothenext · December 9, 2006, 2:59am

[quote]Bizmark wrote:
SK, please tell me more about that cyclic fat thing. It sounds really interesting…

But heres my ratios for today:

Fat: 261.5g--------- 69%
Protein: 240.4g----- 28%
Carbs: 19.1g--------- 3%

Calories: 3415kcal

Yeah, I ate much more today. about 1500kcal of that was just dinner. I also ate alot more fat because the last few days I haven’t been eating as much. Didn’t train today, but doing upper body workout tomorrow with 30min cardio.

Also, PSlave, feel free to start a journal with us on this thread if u want.

-Biz[/quote]

Biz,
Cycling fat is analogous to the old cutting triack when on a high carb diet. BB’s of the '80’s used to claim to cut carbs after 4pm or so in order to lean out.

This works the same way 'cept with fat. So you still eat low carb - under 30g or so and all from veges. But now you eat less fat later in the day. Example:

meal 1… coffee/w cream
4 eggs fried in olive oil and butter

meal 2… 1/2lb of hamburger
cheese
pickle

meal 3… chicken breast
lettuce
broccolli

meal 4… tuna fish
brussel sprouts

Alternatively, you could eat fat normal one day, followed by one day of nothing but protein and greens. In this second version you going to feel weak and delerious towards the end of protein day. I wouldn’t dp a diet of this type for too long - maybe two weeks or so - but it will burn bodyfat. Worse case on some day you’re realy lightheaded or weak - just eat some fat - no harm, no foul. Just make sure you eat normal meals on the high fat days - eating enough for two days in one will just about slow progress.

This is not a performance based diet! But if quick fat loss is your temporary thing, go ahead and kill it. This is just something I play with every once and awhile successfully.

Enjoy.

SK

PSlave · December 9, 2006, 4:32am

[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
How many days per week do you train and how long have you been off of your high carn lifestyle?
[/quote]

Sifu,

I just started this week. I’m taking bodyweight and bodyfat measurements every morning more out of curiosity’s sake than anything else – I’d like to see how much they fluctuate on a daily basis.

True status check will occur once a week and is measured as follows:

Bodyweight / bodyfat
Resting heart rate
Circumference measurements: neck, chest, waist, hips, thigh, calf, upper arm

I currently train three days per week, as follows:

Tuesday: Squat, bench row, all 5x5; 2 sets of weighted hypers, 4 sets of crunches.

Thursday: Squat, military, deadlift, all 4x4; 3 sets of crunches

Saturday: Squat, Bench, Row, all at sets of 5, 5, 5, 5, 3, 8. 3 sets of dips, chins, and tricep extensions.

Saturdays are kind of a “max effort” kind of day. The following Tuesday my fifth set is at the new 3 rep max I set the previous Tuesday.

In a nutshell, the Bill Starr 5x5.

Avocado · December 9, 2006, 5:39am

[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
Man I love you guys. So disciplined and hardcore, but tweaky too.

So now that you guys are way the hell over here who will post on the AD thread? hmm. It’s ok me and trib will keep it up.

Good work on the spinach consumption boys. Spinach is for bad mothers.

You should let us all in on what your schedules are? Or is it just by ‘feel’?

I’m basically in the same boat as you guys but I call it PN or AD, depending on my company. Right now my loads are few and far between. I’ve got one day of food orgy coming up on the 12th.

After that it’s Low CHO till the 24th. then begin low CHO again on the 1st. There will likely be days between the 26 and 1st were I adhere to ‘animals only’ but I don’t plan to keep it too tight.

Also, SIFU how is the seafood in korea? easy and cheap? watch out for alcohol because alcohol itself is a type of sugar known as a sugar alcohol. It is metabolized in the same fashion as regular sugar and for most low CHO scientists counts as a sugar CHO. Shitty i know. Get a blood sugar checker (like for diabetics) and check your Bl-S after a few glasses, you will see an unfortunate rise.

Oh yeah, and get an avatar SIFU. The internet is full of soft porn.

have fun guys. I love feta cheese…

-chris

Thanks for in info, Chris.

Seafood is quite cheap and abundant here, but the real prize are the local BBQ’s dubbed “Galbi bars”. They’re kinda like a Mongolian BBQ joint except that you order a bunch of raw meat and cook it at your table on a fixed grill. If you’re lucky, you’re near one that is all-you-can-eat with lots of raw meat and veges you serve yourself and bring 'em back to cook them.

I know about the alcohol thing but I like to drink. Sometimes I go dry but most days I have a fixer upper at days end. I never get shit-housed though.

Everything I do is by feel with a large part coming from where my day takes me. I very disciplined in my macros but very undisciplined in my weighing and portions so low carb yes, but who knows about calories or percentages. I never plan a carb up, or what for me is only a last meal of the day carb intense serving - I just eat a carb bout when I feel like it and it’s been at least two weeks from my last one. Sometimes I go a whole month, sometimes only 10 days or so.

What does an average day look like for you?

SK

[/quote]

Oh… my… god… (said in paris hilton voice)

I LOVE KOREAN BBQ!!!

in japan they call it yakiniku and it’s about the best idea in the world… ever. BBQ your own tasty treats… at the table!!!

Hot pot is just about as good. That must be awsome. We have a couple great korean BBQ places here in calgary (lots of asian immigrants, thank god).

A typical day for me starts off with eggs, scrambled with various veggies, notably:

Spinach
grape tomato
onion
pepper
chopped up brussel sprouts (gotta try it to believe it)
mushroom (and garlic, I smell wonderful)
olives (eggs ah la greco)

and often other shit like escargots (awesome little low CHO fellas), sardines and usually cheese, feta and havvarti are favorites.

Then meal 2 is usually steak and some kind of spinach salad or brussel sprouts (live for these, I get my own whole bowl at thanksgiving) or some other vegetable deal.

meals 3 and 4 are variations of 1 and 2. snacks are cheese and diet sodas with creatine in them. But the sodas are soon to go because I’m starting HCl therapy. I’m on six pills so far, I’m obviously a newb at digestion.

I eat a ton of eggs basically and cows. Occasionally I’ll hit up some swine for variation, but beef has better vitamins. Buffalo is good here too, elk if i can get it at the market. Salmon fillet when I’m feeling rich.

how’s your progress going even though you’re drinking? noticing major changes? especially fat levels? You should be hella lean with your cycles.

Did you ever think of spot loading now that you’re obviously ffa adapted? By spot lading I mean eating one CHO meal every four days post training? I works wonders for adapted guys trying to gain mass. Do it for about 2 months and then head back to longer cycles.

BTW, what the hell are you doing in korea? teaching?

If it had parents, eat it.

-chris

Avocado · December 9, 2006, 5:44am

Dammit biz, you are a macro scientist. you use fitday.com??

my CHO is usually more around 7% but i mean it’s all vegetables. and i think fit day counts fiber. fukers.

You guys ever eat goat meat? try it out with mint sauce, like lamb. herb it up just before it hits the BBQ.

-chris

[quote]Bizmark wrote:
SK, please tell me more about that cyclic fat thing. It sounds really interesting…

But heres my ratios for today:

Fat: 261.5g--------- 69%
Protein: 240.4g----- 28%
Carbs: 19.1g--------- 3%

Calories: 3415kcal

Yeah, I ate much more today. about 1500kcal of that was just dinner. I also ate alot more fat because the last few days I haven’t been eating as much. Didn’t train today, but doing upper body workout tomorrow with 30min cardio.

Also, PSlave, feel free to start a journal with us on this thread if u want.

-Biz[/quote]

ontothenext · December 9, 2006, 6:57am

[quote]PSlave wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
How many days per week do you train and how long have you been off of your high carn lifestyle?

Sifu,

I just started this week. I’m taking bodyweight and bodyfat measurements every morning more out of curiosity’s sake than anything else – I’d like to see how much they fluctuate on a daily basis.

True status check will occur once a week and is measured as follows:

Bodyweight / bodyfat
Resting heart rate
Circumference measurements: neck, chest, waist, hips, thigh, calf, upper arm

I currently train three days per week, as follows:

Tuesday: Squat, bench row, all 5x5; 2 sets of weighted hypers, 4 sets of crunches.

Thursday: Squat, military, deadlift, all 4x4; 3 sets of crunches

Saturday: Squat, Bench, Row, all at sets of 5, 5, 5, 5, 3, 8. 3 sets of dips, chins, and tricep extensions.

Saturdays are kind of a “max effort” kind of day. The following Tuesday my fifth set is at the new 3 rep max I set the previous Tuesday.

In a nutshell, the Bill Starr 5x5.[/quote]

That all sounds good. You NEED to cope with your mind fucking with you during th first few months of the diet while you’re transitoning. Keep taking your measurements and posting here, but make the decision to stick to this diet and eat lots of fat during the week for a couple of months.

We’ll be here for support when your feeling fucked up.

SK

Avocado · December 9, 2006, 7:09am

[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
PSlave wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
How many days per week do you train and how long have you been off of your high carn lifestyle?

Sifu,

I just started this week. I’m taking bodyweight and bodyfat measurements every morning more out of curiosity’s sake than anything else – I’d like to see how much they fluctuate on a daily basis.

True status check will occur once a week and is measured as follows:

Bodyweight / bodyfat
Resting heart rate
Circumference measurements: neck, chest, waist, hips, thigh, calf, upper arm

I currently train three days per week, as follows:

Tuesday: Squat, bench row, all 5x5; 2 sets of weighted hypers, 4 sets of crunches.

Thursday: Squat, military, deadlift, all 4x4; 3 sets of crunches

Saturday: Squat, Bench, Row, all at sets of 5, 5, 5, 5, 3, 8. 3 sets of dips, chins, and tricep extensions.

Saturdays are kind of a “max effort” kind of day. The following Tuesday my fifth set is at the new 3 rep max I set the previous Tuesday.

In a nutshell, the Bill Starr 5x5.

That all sounds good. You NEED to cope with your mind fucking with you during th first few months of the diet while you’re transitoning. Keep taking your measurements and posting here, but make the decision to stick to this diet and eat lots of fat during the week for a couple of months.

We’ll be here for support when your feeling fucked up.

SK

[/quote]

Keep some diet sodas (splenda/sucralose is best) on hand when the carb cravings get out of hand. A soda and some cheese will make you feel better.

Make sure you eat regularly too. eating every 3 hours will keep all cravings away. you’ll be way too full of slow digesting stuff to even think about eating.

stay hard Pslave.

-chris

ontothenext · December 9, 2006, 7:10am

[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
Man I love you guys. So disciplined and hardcore, but tweaky too.