So then why are you on this site discussing it?
Many times controlled studies aren’t as applicable as real life application (e.g. HMB)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What claims do you think are being made that are not supported by increasing protein intake? [/quote]
why do you keep going off on tangents?
[quote]Therefore, to act as if this information could even be gathered when most with hypertension do NOT seek medical treatment until their symptoms lead to advanced disease, it ia a huge leap to assume that protein leads to hypertension and thusly to kidney failure.
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Nobody has claimed that? why do you keep going off on tangents?
[quote]It doesn’t matter what you asked.[/quote]Yes, becuase when somebody asks a question its best if its left unawnsered
No, I am saying there is potential, based on the Brenner Hypothesis.
Becuase of the common reported (including in articles) that high protein is completely safe. We dont know if high protein is safe, we do know that 0.9g/lb appears safe.
[quote] Just for mental masturbation? Why imply that there are “possible negatives”? That is one question that YOU have not answered yet.[/quote]No evidence means no evidence, possible means possible.
So when people say high protein is fine for the kidneys, when we dont actually know, what do they walk away with?
[quote]Most people do not bother to educate themselves. Therefore, why imply a negative?[/quote]Why imply no effect?
Seeing as I have already said why,maybe you should read?
[quote]Show me prevalence figures that implicate protein as the CAUSE of kidney dysfunction.
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For that part we were not talking about the cause of kidney disease.
But as I have already said there is NO research in the higher level of protein intake, how much do you think there is (well, outside of animal research)?
So how do you claim its healthy?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
nobody really gives a shit about the level a bodybuilder/strength athlete takes in.
Why do you think it is that no one cares?
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becuase nobody will fund it, and bodybuilders make up a tiny part of the population.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
So then why are you on this site discussing it?
Many times controlled studies aren’t as applicable as real life application (e.g. HMB)[/quote]
Lets see, who sells protein and is willing to pump tens of millions of dollars into research that will provide non-patentable ‘open’ results?
and then go back and see who holds the patent for HMB and who paid for the research.
Same reason there is far more research on drugs than fruits and vegetables.
$$ talks
[quote]cycomiko wrote:
Professor X wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
nobody really gives a shit about the level a bodybuilder/strength athlete takes in.
Why do you think it is that no one cares?
becuase nobody will fund it, and bodybuilders make up a tiny part of the population.[/quote]
That was the point I was trying to make with my previous statement: I’m not sure if bodybuilders (or strength athletes) are the only people who reach said protein intake. Maybe I’m just making assumptions based on my own habits, though.
There isn’t much research being done on fruits and vegetables because the drug companies can’t make fruits and vegetables drugs;if they can’t make them drugs they can’t make money off of it.There is still a lot we don’t know about whats in fruits and vegetables. [quote]cycomiko wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
So then why are you on this site discussing it?
Many times controlled studies aren’t as applicable as real life application (e.g. HMB)
Lets see, who sells protein and is willing to pump tens of millions of dollars into research that will provide non-patentable ‘open’ results?
and then go back and see who holds the patent for HMB and who paid for the research.
Same reason there is far more research on drugs than fruits and vegetables.
$$ talks[/quote]
[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
luddini wrote:
Don’t forget that if you go super-high protein and you are not building significant amounts of muscle, you are spiking your insulin because it just gets broken down and then you are negatively affecting you insulin sensitivity… but people on these forums don’t care about that too much
what do you recommend?[/quote]
For those of you that say this doesn’t happen because its inefficient… well yes but what do you think is happening to the protein then?? it has to go somewhere and unless you are growing like the incredible hulk its just being broken down.
From the research I’ve seen it sounds like the 1g/lb body weight is a good maxima. Gotta consider what your body type/training goals are. Someone training for relative strength and not gaining weight then anything over 1g/lb sounds ridiculous to me.
Having discussed some of the markers of kidney function, are there any that are “better” than others. I wonder if I go to my doctor and ask for a test to measure my kidney function, what will he look for.
G
when I was consuming 2 grams per pound of bodyweight, my kidneys exploded and we all would have died, but Chuck Norris wouldn’t allow it, he roundhouse kicked me back to life and from that day forever, eating 2 grams per pound bodyweight has never caused kidney problems again for anyone.
really though, this is such BS.
You’d think that someone would have done a decently long term study on drug tested bodybuilders or lifters who can give a good idea of high protein intake effects. (Maybe someone has… Links?) Also, when thinking about the “300 g protein a day” thing, I’d think there are plenty of people out there who’s idea of a normal breakfast is a 6 egg omlette plus a couple glasses of milk, and a pound of pulled pork for lunch and a pound of steak for dinner. In other words, there are probably plenty of people who take a lot of protein in, and don’t even work out. Let’s see if they have kidney diseases… Man… Getting hungry.
TS
There are so many worse things I can be doing to my body then taking in excess protein, that truthfully I don’t give a shit