Our media i at it again guys. This is the latest article on CNN
animal based protein diets cause cancer, and heart diseases. I would assume if your low carb means eating 5,000 Cals a day with just 1,000 coming from the healthy carbs found around McDonald’s $ menu, it can do that.
And at the end, there is the customary recommendation to go vegan and eat soy.
“The study also found that men and women who ate diets heavy in animal-based proteins had higher averages BMIs”
like our dear prof X who has a BMI off the charts. Must be obese :))
“The protein you get from combining rice and beans is the same quality as what you get from eggs and steak. You just don’t get all the other stuff that’s bad for you, " says Dr. Dean Ornish, founder and president, Preventive Medicine Research Institute, who is not affiliated with this study.”
60 years ago, the propaganda ministries would have been proud of this (mis)information.
[quote]Fat Bastard. wrote:
“The study also found that men and women who ate diets heavy in animal-based proteins had higher averages BMIs”
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The BMI has permeated many government health authorities around the world as the standard to use when labeling people has obese, healthy, overweight etc. It’s just a big shame really. It really ticks me off when people use this “standard” as a basis for measurement. Even in the reality based show Biggest Loser I’ve seen contestants striving for “weight loss” achieving a whole lot of “water loss” and precious muscle mass loss.
[quote]Fat Bastard. wrote:
“The study also found that men and women who ate diets heavy in animal-based proteins had higher averages BMIs”
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The BMI has permeated many government health authorities around the world as the standard to use when labeling people has obese, healthy, overweight etc. It’s just a big shame really. It really ticks me off when people use this “standard” as a basis for measurement. Even in the reality based show Biggest Loser I’ve seen contestants striving for “weight loss” achieving a whole lot of “water loss” and precious muscle mass loss.[/quote]
That’s right.
They likely had higher BMIs from having more lean muscle.
I’m sure this is propaganda to help them sell shitty breakfast cereals. I’m willing to bet you get more goodness from eggs and steak than you do from beans and rice.
Then again, mix them all together for a delicious post-workout meal. Add some vegetables to counter the carcinogens.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
I’m sure this is propaganda to help them sell shitty breakfast cereals. I’m willing to bet you get more goodness from eggs and steak than you do from beans and rice.
Then again, mix them all together for a delicious post-workout meal. Add some vegetables to counter the carcinogens.[/quote]
On a side note, I just saw something from my childhood in a store this weekend and I HAD to buy it. It was a lone box of Boo Berry sitting on the shelf, the last one there. It’s possibly the sugariest but best tasting breakfast cereal I have ever consumed. So I bout it and ate half the box when I got home. I think I’ll have the other half for a late night snack tonight.
Eventually we’re going to come to a point where these morons have made it impossible to get beef, eggs, and other quality food. When this happens, I’m moving to an island, raising my own super grass fed cows (they live in the middle of the island), and wild boars as well a variety of chickens and veggies. I will lead boar hunts in the middle of the night.
You can only come if are capable of killing the boar with a reverse choke hold or an awesome kick to its face thus not bruising any of the meat. You all can come to my island.
Somewhat realted to this shit, in my region they started putting this bullshit pseudo-meat into the shelves, it’s ground beef mixed with water and “enriched” with wheat and vegetable proteins, so it’s got 30% less cholesterol and fat while still being hi in “protein”, woot woot!
I wish I could read the actual study and not just someone’s condensed interpretation. I am suspicious as to how strict the ‘low-carb’ diet they had them on was since it’s obvious many of them were eating forms of breads, rice and alcohol.
Kinda related, my identical twin sister and I have been running our own informal study - She turned Vegan awhile back while I’ve been on a low-carb, high protein/fat thing for a few years running. We didn’t plan our diets to be so conflicting (eating out can be a bitch) but I guess it will be interesting to see our respective healths progress as we grow older.
She had mandatory blood work done for her job not too long ago and unfortunately she has high cholesterol for her age (she’s not out of shape). It could just be genetic. While I’ve never gotten my blood tested but I’m pretty curious now!
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Eventually we’re going to come to a point where these morons have made it impossible to get beef, eggs, and other quality food. When this happens, I’m moving to an island, raising my own super grass fed cows (they live in the middle of the island), and wild boars as well a variety of chickens and veggies. I will lead boar hunts in the middle of the night.
You can only come if are capable of killing the boar with a reverse choke hold or an awesome kick to its face thus not bruising any of the meat. You all can come to my island.[/quote]
I have no idea how to reverse choker hold or be even good enough to kick them in their face but, i will provide the distraction so you can come up behind them. Your island sounds like a wonderful place. Im in.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Eventually we’re going to come to a point where these morons have made it impossible to get beef, eggs, and other quality food. When this happens, I’m moving to an island, raising my own super grass fed cows (they live in the middle of the island), and wild boars as well a variety of chickens and veggies. I will lead boar hunts in the middle of the night.
You can only come if are capable of killing the boar with a reverse choke hold or an awesome kick to its face thus not bruising any of the meat. You all can come to my island.[/quote]
Shit, I don’t even think we care if we’re stranded on the island, screw having our plane crash, give us a boat and we’ll go just to go. And if I see one of those polar bears you better believe he’s gonna be dinner at some point…
[quote]fivefeetoffury wrote:
I wish I could read the actual study and not just someone’s condensed interpretation. I am suspicious as to how strict the ‘low-carb’ diet they had them on was since it’s obvious many of them were eating forms of breads, rice and alcohol. [/quote]
Agree, a “low-carbohydrate, plant-based diet” is practically impossible. It sounds like the study was based on questionnaires though, and those can yield pretty uncontrolled and inaccurate results.
They had over 120 000 female nurses fill out questionnaires every two years for 26 years and over 50 000 male health professionals fill out questionnaires every four years for 20 years. Then they divided them in deciles based on where they got their macro nutrients. Low-carb vegetable diets apparently get over 40% of their calories from carbs, and get a full serving of fruit/vegetables more than low-carbohydrate animal eaters per day.
Multivariate-adjusted, it’s actually the 8th and 9th deciles of animal-low-carb, and not the 10th, which are worst off. So getting about 40% carbs and eating most animals is worse than 35% or 45% from carbs while eating most animals. Good to know. Can’t argue with numbers…