Evil Racist Children and the Media

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Don’t give him so much credit. He also didn’t know there had been any fairly recent lynchings in America.

More proof positve that you enjoy twisting the truth.

I asked:

When was the last time a black person was “lynched” in the south?

A name and a date is what I’m looking for.

Thank you

I know you dispise facts, and look at them as your enemy and something to be twisted.

But, as all can see I was asking as a point of fact.

By the way how is your …(cough) medical practice going?

Busy?

:slight_smile:

Zeb,

June 7, 1998, the persons name was James Byrd and it happened in the state of Texas. (I thought ProfX said this already, but I’ll write it anyway.)

Although, since the man was dragged behind a truck with a rope around his neck and the rope was not around a tree, I guess you could technically say that it wasn’t a “lynching” in the traditional sense. However, all of the elements of a traditional lynching were present: asshole racist white males, violence and hatred for entertainment purposes and a dead black person.

To your point though, I haven’t heard of any black people being hung from trees lately, so I guess, technically, you are right.

As an aside, I am surprised that this thread is still getting any play on it.[/quote]

Didn’t those scum bags get the death penalty?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am sorry if your job is more hectic. Then again, I really don’t give a shit.
[/quote]

Well, at least you’re a caring and compassionate physician…(eye roll).

[quote]Professor X wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
(I thought ProfX said this already, but I’ll write it anyway.

I did, but that didn’t stop Zeb from saying I somehow hate facts.[/quote]

Actually, you are head and shoulders above your cohorts when it comes to twisting facts. While I think they are above you in pure hate and venom.

It’s a well balanced team.

[quote]vroom wrote:
So we have the media propping up Farrakhan as a great black leader while they tear down any white pride groups as racist.

When was the last time he was held up in the media? I mean, is he even still alive – I honestly don’t know. Are we comparing past to present again, or is this currently an ongoing issue?[/quote]

I guess that depends on what you mean by recent. I think he has been in the news in the last 8 years.

[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I can’t believe Lorisco just tried to get out of admitting being an idiot by claiming his post was agreeing with Prof X.

So you think that I’m afraid to be called an idiot by Pro X because I don’t agree with him?

Dude, where have you been. Even those that don’t like me would not say such an asinine thing as that because they know better.

Maybe you should move on to the forum for those with the double digit IQ; might be more your speed!

Ugh, why must everyone here resort to childish insults. That alone says something about you, Lorisco.

It wasn’t a matter of you being or not being afraid of arguing with the Prof, it was a matter of you admitting or not admitting your mistake.

Your first post, regardless of what your intentions were, came off as an argument/flame at Prof X. He called you on it, and then you claimed you were actually agreeing with him. Fine, maybe that’s what you intended to do, but your post told a different story.[/quote]

Really? Then why did the Pro try and flame me by saying repeatedly “that is what I said”? If he thinks I was saying the same things that he stated, then that would mean I agree with him. Duh!

Perhaps you should read the posts a little more closely and apply a little brain power before you open your mouth a put your foot in it!

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Don’t give him so much credit. He also didn’t know there had been any fairly recent lynchings in America.

More proof positve that you enjoy twisting the truth.

I asked:

When was the last time a black person was “lynched” in the south?

A name and a date is what I’m looking for.

Thank you

I know you dispise facts, and look at them as your enemy and something to be twisted.

But, as all can see I was asking as a point of fact.

By the way how is your …(cough) medical practice going?

Busy?

:slight_smile:

Zeb,

June 7, 1998, the persons name was James Byrd and it happened in the state of Texas. (I thought ProfX said this already, but I’ll write it anyway.)

Although, since the man was dragged behind a truck with a rope around his neck and the rope was not around a tree, I guess you could technically say that it wasn’t a “lynching” in the traditional sense. However, all of the elements of a traditional lynching were present: asshole racist white males, violence and hatred for entertainment purposes and a dead black person.

To your point though, I haven’t heard of any black people being hung from trees lately, so I guess, technically, you are right.

As an aside, I am surprised that this thread is still getting any play on it.[/quote]

Was that done because of the color of his skin or because of some other reason?

The James Byrd lynching was a terrible, terrible act committed by people who were pure evil. I think all of us would gladly flip the switch on the electric chair to fry them if we could. Unfortunately, it was used by many as proof a widespread hatred of whites for blacks:

Party of Fear, Politics of Hate
By David Horowitz
October 30, 2000

THIS YEAR, it seems especially appropriate that the last week before the election is the week of Halloween. An official Democrat website is even titled after a horror film (iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com) and features the ?Scary Record? and ?chilling story of George W. Bush.? Alleged ?facts?scarier than fiction? are amassed on the site to frighten visitors about Bush?s legacy in Texas, as well as the policies he and the Republicans want to impose on an unsuspecting American public.

Paid for by the Democratic National Committee, the site provides this warning: ?Nothing is more terrifying than the official platforms of the Republican Party and its state parties.?

Nothing? Saddam Hussein? A ballistic missile tipped with anthrax? Returning home, after a one-night-stand, to face Mrs. Clinton?

Somewhere in Michigan, the sister of James Byrd, the African American tortured and lynched in rural Texas two years ago is trotted out by talshe Gore campaign to accuse George Bush of being soft on hate crimes, and thus implicitly of being a racist-lover himself. Somewhere on television, an ?independent expenditures ad,? funded by the NAACP (tax-exempt and headed by two former Democratic legislators), is airing images of the lynching, while making the case against Bush even more directly.

And on www.iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com itself, there are these words: ?When faced with one of the most horrendous crimes motivated by racial hatred in recent memory, Bush chose to sit on the sidelines and not lead in expanding and strengthening laws against those kinds of crimes.?

A pack of fear-laced lies.

The men who murdered James Byrd by dragging him behind a pick-up truck in Texas two years ago, have been condemned to death or life imprisonment by Texas courts under existing Texas law, which includes a hate crimes bill.

Moreover, the most horrendous crime motivated by racial hatred in recent memory was certainly not Byrd?s lynching, which took place two years ago, but the murder of an 8-year-old white boy named Kevin Shiflett last April, in the very shadow of the nation?s capital. Kevin Shiflett was murdered by a 29-year-old African American, who screamed racial epithets at the youngster and slit his throat, while Kevin was playing on the sidewalk.

In contrast to the killing of Byrd, which was the subject of presidential hand-wringing, Capitol Hill grand-standing and national editorial outrage, Kevin?s murder was not even reported as a racial crime. To this day, it has been systematically and consciously kept out of the public eye. Collaborators in this suppression include local authorities, the media and every hypocritical organization - the Democratic Party and the NAACP foremost among them - that claims to oppose racial violence and stand up for civil rights.

For four months following the atrocity, the local police in Alexandria Virginia, where the crime took place, actively suppressed the racial identities of Kevin and his attacker. Now that the racial identity of perpetrator and victim are known, and the racist motive of the attacker is clear (he previously tried to strangle a white person and left racist notes in his hotel room), the crime has still not been declared a ?hate crime,? and the nation still could care less about Kevin Shiflett and his fate.

Far from regarding Kevin?s slashing as a ?hate crime,? Democrats involved in the case, are on record praising the police gag and anxious to keep the racial aspects of the crime hidden. Alexandria Democrat and city council member Joyce Woodson said of the police suppression: ?What they did was proper. We already live in a racially charged world. I don?t think knowing that would have any impact on the way they investigated the case.

It could have colored their approach in ways that would have been inappropriate.? Democratic Mayor Kerry Donley and Democrat council member William Euille agreed.** Representatives Barney Frank and Maxine Waters, the most vocal congressional advocates of hate crime legislation, have maintained a silence about Kevin Shiflett?s fate that speaks louder than words.

Evidently, hate crimes against eight-year-olds, if they are white, are ok with liberals. This is one reason why Republicans like Bush have opposed hate crime legislation directed at specific groups like gays (as a kind of human Endangered Species Act).

Why should gays be protected from hate by heterosexuals, but not heterosexuals from hate by gays? (Think only of the attack by ACT-UP militants on St. Patrick?s Cathedral a few years ago.) Consider the fact that no liberal or feminist group has proposed making rape a hate crime, while rape is universally regarded as an act of hate. Could the reason be that such legislation would jeopardize another protected group - African American males - who commit over 40% of such crimes?

Beyond this problem lies a much larger one. Hate crimes, in fact, are ?thought crimes,? and thought crimes are the defining transgressions of anti-democratic, totalitarian regimes. The very essence of a totalitarian regime is, in some sense, its determination to punish the ?thought crimes? of those who disagree with its rule. For much of the left, this may not be a problem.

After all, during the Cold War, many who now call themselves liberal were able to view the democratic West and the totalitarian East as ?morally equivalent.? But for anyone concerned about the future of American democracy, it is a very real concern. It is dangerous to make individual conscience the target of prosecution by the state, however distasteful that conscience may be. The Christian cross or the Jewish star, are hateful symbols to some. A gay activist group in Chicago has already protested a proposal to hold the Southern Baptist Convention in that city as a ?hate crime.?

The problem of racism and similar hates is one of attitude not law. To turn attitudes into crimes is the antithesis of what a democracy is about. The charge that the Democrats are attempting to lay at the foot of candidate Bush with respect to the lynching of James Byrd is tantamount to the accusation that a skeptical attitude towards hate crime legislation implies a less than militant opposition to hate itself.

In the right circumstances, this might eventually be construed as a crime. Those who defended the civil liberties of Communists during the McCarthy era, for example, often found themselves accused of being soft on Communism, and thus culpable too.

The double standard the left systematically applies to hate crimes is a problem for those - mainly conservatives – who lack a partisan racial (or sexual orientation) agenda. But it is also an indicator of a problem inherent in the way that liberals and Democrats habitually demonize their opponents.

In this regard, the most remarkable non-story of this election campaign has been the candidacy of Pat Buchanan. Have we forgotten how Buchanan was, until recently, demonized as the quintessential Republican racist?

The author Michael Lind even made himself the toast of the New York media a few years ago with a defamatory screed called ?Up From Conservatism,? in which he characterized the Republican Party as being run by anti-Semitic racists, specifically Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson and the Ku Klux Klan. When Buchanan left the party last year, liberals and Democrats excoriated candidate Bush for regretting Buchanan?s departure, and took his gesture of inclusion as a sign, instead, that Bush - along with Republicans generally - was really a member of the ?Bob Jones (racist) right.?

(Of course, Bob Jones University has itself performed an act of contrition in removing its last color bar). A writer for the Boston Globe referred to Buchanan, at the time, as ?the paranoid activist for white Christian rights? and concluded ?Bush?s silence [over Buchanan] is scary.?

But when Buchanan actually left the Republican Party, nobody went with him. Far from running the Party, as Lind preposterously claimed, or being a representative of the Republican mainstream, Buchanan emerged as a political eccentric with less of a following among Republicans than a fringe socialist like Ralph Nader has among rank and file Democrats.

Most un-remarked of all was Buchanan?s choice of an African-American woman, Ezola Foster, to be his running mate. How can it be that none of Buchanan?s reckless attackers has, since, commented on this fact, which would appear to refute most of the hateful smears that had been directed at him concerning the volatile issue of race?

It is true that unguarded statements by Buchanan lent some weight to suspicions on this issue. The present writer was even one of those who welcomed Buchanan?s departure from the Republican Party. But now that Buchanan has shown - and shown dramatically, in unmistakable deed – that his America does include all Americans, it is time for a public reappraisal. The failure of liberals and Democrats on the left to make this reappraisal is telling.

Intemperate remarks are one thing (and in a democracy need to be protected). Epithets like ?racist? or ?paranoid activist for white Christian rights? are quite another, and when mistaken need to be retracted. In the present political climate, is an epithet like racist, so casually applied to Buchanan (and other Republicans like Bob Barr and Trent Lott), any less wounding or destructive than ?faggot? or ?kike? or ?nigger?? Why, then, no apologies from the sensitive left for its demonizing slurs on Patrick Buchanan and George Bush?

To strengthen the bonds of inclusion in American life, it is necessary to extend tolerance to those who disagree politically as well. Hate crime legislation is a bad and dangerous idea. If we must talk about hate crimes, as a possible means of combating hate, it is time for the left to include the hate speech that liberals regularly employ against Republicans and conservatives as well.


Any comments on the FBI stats from this article:The Race War of Black Against White
by Paul Sheehan
from the Sydney Morning Herald, May 20, 1995 ?

*  According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks. 

Using race crimes as evidence of ongoing white racism in America is probably not the best arguement liberals have.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Don’t give him so much credit. He also didn’t know there had been any fairly recent lynchings in America.

More proof positve that you enjoy twisting the truth.

I asked:

When was the last time a black person was “lynched” in the south?

A name and a date is what I’m looking for.

Thank you

I know you dispise facts, and look at them as your enemy and something to be twisted.

But, as all can see I was asking as a point of fact.

By the way how is your …(cough) medical practice going?

Busy?

:slight_smile:

Zeb,

June 7, 1998, the persons name was James Byrd and it happened in the state of Texas. (I thought ProfX said this already, but I’ll write it anyway.)

Although, since the man was dragged behind a truck with a rope around his neck and the rope was not around a tree, I guess you could technically say that it wasn’t a “lynching” in the traditional sense. However, all of the elements of a traditional lynching were present: asshole racist white males, violence and hatred for entertainment purposes and a dead black person.

To your point though, I haven’t heard of any black people being hung from trees lately, so I guess, technically, you are right.

As an aside, I am surprised that this thread is still getting any play on it.

Was that done because of the color of his skin or because of some other reason?
[/quote]

When it came to trial it was ruled as a hate crime.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Bullshit. The Black panthers were reactionary to American society. Their leaders were murdered in their sleep because they were too dangerous to the establishment that was (is) in power.

Oh my…I never knew that took place. Please tell me who was murdered? When were they murdered? And who exactly killed them (by name please)

[/quote]

On April 6, 1968, in West Oakland, Bobby Hutton, 17 years old, is shot dead by Oakland police. In a 90 minute gun battle, an unarmed Bobby Hutton is shot ten times dead, after his house is set ablaze and he is forced to run out into a fire of bullets. Just two days earlier, Martin Luther King is assasinated, after he had begun rethinking his own doctrines of non-violence, and started to build ties with radical unions.

Two months later on the day of Bobby’s death, Robert Kennedy, widely recognised in the minority commmunity as one of the only politicians in the US “sympathetic” to the civil rights movement, is also assasinated.

In January, 1969, The first Panther’s Free Breakfast for School Children Program is initiated at St. Augustine’s Church in Oakland. By the end of the year, the Panthers set up kitchens in cities across the nation, feeding over 10,000 children every day before they went to school.

A few months later, J. Edgar Hoover publicly states that the Panthers are the “greatest threat to the internal security of the country”.

In Chicago, the outstanding leader of the Panthers local, Fred Hampton, leads five different breakfast programs on the West Side, helps create a free medical center, and initiates a door to door program of health services which test for sickle cell anemia, and encourage blood drives for the Cook County Hospital. The Chicago party also begins reaching out to local gangs to clean up their acts, get them away from crime and bring them into the class war.

The Parties efforts meet wide success, and Hampton’s audiences and organised contingent grow by the day. On December 4th, at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, thanks to information from an FBI informant , Chicago police raid the Panthers’ Chicago apartment, murdering Fred Hampton while he sleeps in bed.

He is shot twice in the head, once in the arm and shoulder; while three other people sleeping in the same bed escape unharmed. Mark Clark, sleeping in the living room chair, is also murdered while asleep. Hampton’s wife, carrying child for 8 months, is also shot, but survives. Four panthers sleeping in the apartment are wounded, while one other escapes injury . Fred Hampton was 21 years old when he was executed, Mark was 17 years old.

According to the findings of the federal grand jury, Ninety bullets were fired inside the apartment. 1 came from a Panther ? Mark ? who slept with a shotgun in his hand. All surviving Panther members were arrested for “attempted murder of the police and aggravated assault”. Not a single cop spent a moment in jail for the executions.

In 1969 Bobby Seale is indicted in Chicago for protesting during the Democratic national convention of last year. The court refuses to allow Seale to choose a lawyer. As Seale repeatedly stands up during the show trial insisting that he is being denied his constitutional right to counsel, the judge orders him bound and gagged. He is convicted on 16 counts of contempt and sentenced to four years in prison. While in jail he would be charged again for killing a cop in years past, a trial that would end in 1971 with a hung jury.

[quote]doogie wrote:
The James Byrd lynching was a terrible, terrible act committed by people who were pure evil. I think all of us would gladly flip the switch on the electric chair to fry them if we could. Unfortunately, it was used by many as proof a widespread hatred of whites for blacks:

Party of Fear, Politics of Hate
By David Horowitz
October 30, 2000

THIS YEAR, it seems especially appropriate that the last week before the election is the week of Halloween. An official Democrat website is even titled after a horror film (iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com) and features the ?Scary Record? and ?chilling story of George W. Bush.? Alleged ?facts?scarier than fiction? are amassed on the site to frighten visitors about Bush?s legacy in Texas, as well as the policies he and the Republicans want to impose on an unsuspecting American public.

Paid for by the Democratic National Committee, the site provides this warning: ?Nothing is more terrifying than the official platforms of the Republican Party and its state parties.?

Nothing? Saddam Hussein? A ballistic missile tipped with anthrax? Returning home, after a one-night-stand, to face Mrs. Clinton?

Somewhere in Michigan, the sister of James Byrd, the African American tortured and lynched in rural Texas two years ago is trotted out by talshe Gore campaign to accuse George Bush of being soft on hate crimes, and thus implicitly of being a racist-lover himself. Somewhere on television, an ?independent expenditures ad,? funded by the NAACP (tax-exempt and headed by two former Democratic legislators), is airing images of the lynching, while making the case against Bush even more directly.

And on www.iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com itself, there are these words: ?When faced with one of the most horrendous crimes motivated by racial hatred in recent memory, Bush chose to sit on the sidelines and not lead in expanding and strengthening laws against those kinds of crimes.?

A pack of fear-laced lies.

The men who murdered James Byrd by dragging him behind a pick-up truck in Texas two years ago, have been condemned to death or life imprisonment by Texas courts under existing Texas law, which includes a hate crimes bill.

Moreover, the most horrendous crime motivated by racial hatred in recent memory was certainly not Byrd?s lynching, which took place two years ago, but the murder of an 8-year-old white boy named Kevin Shiflett last April, in the very shadow of the nation?s capital. Kevin Shiflett was murdered by a 29-year-old African American, who screamed racial epithets at the youngster and slit his throat, while Kevin was playing on the sidewalk.

In contrast to the killing of Byrd, which was the subject of presidential hand-wringing, Capitol Hill grand-standing and national editorial outrage, Kevin?s murder was not even reported as a racial crime. To this day, it has been systematically and consciously kept out of the public eye. Collaborators in this suppression include local authorities, the media and every hypocritical organization - the Democratic Party and the NAACP foremost among them - that claims to oppose racial violence and stand up for civil rights.

For four months following the atrocity, the local police in Alexandria Virginia, where the crime took place, actively suppressed the racial identities of Kevin and his attacker. Now that the racial identity of perpetrator and victim are known, and the racist motive of the attacker is clear (he previously tried to strangle a white person and left racist notes in his hotel room), the crime has still not been declared a ?hate crime,? and the nation still could care less about Kevin Shiflett and his fate.

Far from regarding Kevin?s slashing as a ?hate crime,? Democrats involved in the case, are on record praising the police gag and anxious to keep the racial aspects of the crime hidden. Alexandria Democrat and city council member Joyce Woodson said of the police suppression: ?What they did was proper. We already live in a racially charged world. I don?t think knowing that would have any impact on the way they investigated the case.

It could have colored their approach in ways that would have been inappropriate.? Democratic Mayor Kerry Donley and Democrat council member William Euille agreed.** Representatives Barney Frank and Maxine Waters, the most vocal congressional advocates of hate crime legislation, have maintained a silence about Kevin Shiflett?s fate that speaks louder than words.

Evidently, hate crimes against eight-year-olds, if they are white, are ok with liberals. This is one reason why Republicans like Bush have opposed hate crime legislation directed at specific groups like gays (as a kind of human Endangered Species Act).

Why should gays be protected from hate by heterosexuals, but not heterosexuals from hate by gays? (Think only of the attack by ACT-UP militants on St. Patrick?s Cathedral a few years ago.) Consider the fact that no liberal or feminist group has proposed making rape a hate crime, while rape is universally regarded as an act of hate. Could the reason be that such legislation would jeopardize another protected group - African American males - who commit over 40% of such crimes?

Beyond this problem lies a much larger one. Hate crimes, in fact, are ?thought crimes,? and thought crimes are the defining transgressions of anti-democratic, totalitarian regimes. The very essence of a totalitarian regime is, in some sense, its determination to punish the ?thought crimes? of those who disagree with its rule. For much of the left, this may not be a problem.

After all, during the Cold War, many who now call themselves liberal were able to view the democratic West and the totalitarian East as ?morally equivalent.? But for anyone concerned about the future of American democracy, it is a very real concern. It is dangerous to make individual conscience the target of prosecution by the state, however distasteful that conscience may be. The Christian cross or the Jewish star, are hateful symbols to some. A gay activist group in Chicago has already protested a proposal to hold the Southern Baptist Convention in that city as a ?hate crime.?

The problem of racism and similar hates is one of attitude not law. To turn attitudes into crimes is the antithesis of what a democracy is about. The charge that the Democrats are attempting to lay at the foot of candidate Bush with respect to the lynching of James Byrd is tantamount to the accusation that a skeptical attitude towards hate crime legislation implies a less than militant opposition to hate itself.

In the right circumstances, this might eventually be construed as a crime. Those who defended the civil liberties of Communists during the McCarthy era, for example, often found themselves accused of being soft on Communism, and thus culpable too.

The double standard the left systematically applies to hate crimes is a problem for those - mainly conservatives – who lack a partisan racial (or sexual orientation) agenda. But it is also an indicator of a problem inherent in the way that liberals and Democrats habitually demonize their opponents.

In this regard, the most remarkable non-story of this election campaign has been the candidacy of Pat Buchanan. Have we forgotten how Buchanan was, until recently, demonized as the quintessential Republican racist?

The author Michael Lind even made himself the toast of the New York media a few years ago with a defamatory screed called ?Up From Conservatism,? in which he characterized the Republican Party as being run by anti-Semitic racists, specifically Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson and the Ku Klux Klan. When Buchanan left the party last year, liberals and Democrats excoriated candidate Bush for regretting Buchanan?s departure, and took his gesture of inclusion as a sign, instead, that Bush - along with Republicans generally - was really a member of the ?Bob Jones (racist) right.?

(Of course, Bob Jones University has itself performed an act of contrition in removing its last color bar). A writer for the Boston Globe referred to Buchanan, at the time, as ?the paranoid activist for white Christian rights? and concluded ?Bush?s silence [over Buchanan] is scary.?

But when Buchanan actually left the Republican Party, nobody went with him. Far from running the Party, as Lind preposterously claimed, or being a representative of the Republican mainstream, Buchanan emerged as a political eccentric with less of a following among Republicans than a fringe socialist like Ralph Nader has among rank and file Democrats.

Most un-remarked of all was Buchanan?s choice of an African-American woman, Ezola Foster, to be his running mate. How can it be that none of Buchanan?s reckless attackers has, since, commented on this fact, which would appear to refute most of the hateful smears that had been directed at him concerning the volatile issue of race?

It is true that unguarded statements by Buchanan lent some weight to suspicions on this issue. The present writer was even one of those who welcomed Buchanan?s departure from the Republican Party. But now that Buchanan has shown - and shown dramatically, in unmistakable deed – that his America does include all Americans, it is time for a public reappraisal. The failure of liberals and Democrats on the left to make this reappraisal is telling.

Intemperate remarks are one thing (and in a democracy need to be protected). Epithets like ?racist? or ?paranoid activist for white Christian rights? are quite another, and when mistaken need to be retracted. In the present political climate, is an epithet like racist, so casually applied to Buchanan (and other Republicans like Bob Barr and Trent Lott), any less wounding or destructive than ?faggot? or ?kike? or ?nigger?? Why, then, no apologies from the sensitive left for its demonizing slurs on Patrick Buchanan and George Bush?

To strengthen the bonds of inclusion in American life, it is necessary to extend tolerance to those who disagree politically as well. Hate crime legislation is a bad and dangerous idea. If we must talk about hate crimes, as a possible means of combating hate, it is time for the left to include the hate speech that liberals regularly employ against Republicans and conservatives as well.


Any comments on the FBI stats from this article:The Race War of Black Against White
by Paul Sheehan
from the Sydney Morning Herald, May 20, 1995 ?

*  According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks. 

Using race crimes as evidence of ongoing white racism in America is probably not the best arguement liberals have.[/quote]

What was the point of this post?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Bullshit. The Black panthers were reactionary to American society. Their leaders were murdered in their sleep because they were too dangerous to the establishment that was (is) in power.

Oh my…I never knew that took place. Please tell me who was murdered? When were they murdered? And who exactly killed them (by name please)

On April 6, 1968, in West Oakland, Bobby Hutton, 17 years old, is shot dead by Oakland police. In a 90 minute gun battle, an unarmed Bobby Hutton is shot ten times dead, after his house is set ablaze and he is forced to run out into a fire of bullets. Just two days earlier, Martin Luther King is assasinated, after he had begun rethinking his own doctrines of non-violence, and started to build ties with radical unions.

Two months later on the day of Bobby’s death, Robert Kennedy, widely recognised in the minority commmunity as one of the only politicians in the US “sympathetic” to the civil rights movement, is also assasinated.

In January, 1969, The first Panther’s Free Breakfast for School Children Program is initiated at St. Augustine’s Church in Oakland. By the end of the year, the Panthers set up kitchens in cities across the nation, feeding over 10,000 children every day before they went to school.

A few months later, J. Edgar Hoover publicly states that the Panthers are the “greatest threat to the internal security of the country”.

In Chicago, the outstanding leader of the Panthers local, Fred Hampton, leads five different breakfast programs on the West Side, helps create a free medical center, and initiates a door to door program of health services which test for sickle cell anemia, and encourage blood drives for the Cook County Hospital. The Chicago party also begins reaching out to local gangs to clean up their acts, get them away from crime and bring them into the class war.

The Parties efforts meet wide success, and Hampton’s audiences and organised contingent grow by the day. On December 4th, at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, thanks to information from an FBI informant , Chicago police raid the Panthers’ Chicago apartment, murdering Fred Hampton while he sleeps in bed.

He is shot twice in the head, once in the arm and shoulder; while three other people sleeping in the same bed escape unharmed. Mark Clark, sleeping in the living room chair, is also murdered while asleep. Hampton’s wife, carrying child for 8 months, is also shot, but survives. Four panthers sleeping in the apartment are wounded, while one other escapes injury . Fred Hampton was 21 years old when he was executed, Mark was 17 years old.

According to the findings of the federal grand jury, Ninety bullets were fired inside the apartment. 1 came from a Panther ? Mark ? who slept with a shotgun in his hand. All surviving Panther members were arrested for “attempted murder of the police and aggravated assault”. Not a single cop spent a moment in jail for the executions.

In 1969 Bobby Seale is indicted in Chicago for protesting during the Democratic national convention of last year. The court refuses to allow Seale to choose a lawyer. As Seale repeatedly stands up during the show trial insisting that he is being denied his constitutional right to counsel, the judge orders him bound and gagged. He is convicted on 16 counts of contempt and sentenced to four years in prison. While in jail he would be charged again for killing a cop in years past, a trial that would end in 1971 with a hung jury.
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That is an outrage!

I am writing my Congressman.

doogie,

You have to realize that the following statistics have no bearing whatsoever in a thread on racism.

Liberals are only looking for bad things that happen to blacks becuause of the evil white man.

Shame on you for posting …(deep breath) facts. You should really know better!

"Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993.

  • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

  • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

  • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks."

[quote]
doogie wrote:

Using race crimes as evidence of ongoing white racism in America is probably not the best arguement liberals have.

ALDurr wrote:

What was the point of this post?[/quote]

That sentence isn’t crystal clear?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
doogie,

You have to realize that the following statistics have no bearing whatsoever in a thread on racism.

Liberals are only looking for bad things that happen to blacks becuause of the evil white man.

Shame on you for posting …(deep breath) facts. You should really know better!

"Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993.

  • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

  • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

  • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks."
    [/quote]

Again, I ask, with no sarcasm and in all honesty, what are you trying to acheive with this post? Also, please dispense with the “conservative” and “liberal” labeling horseshit. Just give an honest, no-spin, no-bullshit answer. What is the point of the posts?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Bullshit. The Black panthers were reactionary to American society. Their leaders were murdered in their sleep because they were too dangerous to the establishment that was (is) in power.

Oh my…I never knew that took place. Please tell me who was murdered? When were they murdered? And who exactly killed them (by name please)

On April 6, 1968, in West Oakland, Bobby Hutton, 17 years old, is shot dead by Oakland police. In a 90 minute gun battle, an unarmed Bobby Hutton is shot ten times dead, after his house is set ablaze and he is forced to run out into a fire of bullets. Just two days earlier, Martin Luther King is assasinated, after he had begun rethinking his own doctrines of non-violence, and started to build ties with radical unions.

Two months later on the day of Bobby’s death, Robert Kennedy, widely recognised in the minority commmunity as one of the only politicians in the US “sympathetic” to the civil rights movement, is also assasinated.

In January, 1969, The first Panther’s Free Breakfast for School Children Program is initiated at St. Augustine’s Church in Oakland. By the end of the year, the Panthers set up kitchens in cities across the nation, feeding over 10,000 children every day before they went to school.

A few months later, J. Edgar Hoover publicly states that the Panthers are the “greatest threat to the internal security of the country”.

In Chicago, the outstanding leader of the Panthers local, Fred Hampton, leads five different breakfast programs on the West Side, helps create a free medical center, and initiates a door to door program of health services which test for sickle cell anemia, and encourage blood drives for the Cook County Hospital. The Chicago party also begins reaching out to local gangs to clean up their acts, get them away from crime and bring them into the class war.

The Parties efforts meet wide success, and Hampton’s audiences and organised contingent grow by the day. On December 4th, at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, thanks to information from an FBI informant , Chicago police raid the Panthers’ Chicago apartment, murdering Fred Hampton while he sleeps in bed.

He is shot twice in the head, once in the arm and shoulder; while three other people sleeping in the same bed escape unharmed. Mark Clark, sleeping in the living room chair, is also murdered while asleep. Hampton’s wife, carrying child for 8 months, is also shot, but survives. Four panthers sleeping in the apartment are wounded, while one other escapes injury . Fred Hampton was 21 years old when he was executed, Mark was 17 years old.

According to the findings of the federal grand jury, Ninety bullets were fired inside the apartment. 1 came from a Panther ? Mark ? who slept with a shotgun in his hand. All surviving Panther members were arrested for “attempted murder of the police and aggravated assault”. Not a single cop spent a moment in jail for the executions.

In 1969 Bobby Seale is indicted in Chicago for protesting during the Democratic national convention of last year. The court refuses to allow Seale to choose a lawyer. As Seale repeatedly stands up during the show trial insisting that he is being denied his constitutional right to counsel, the judge orders him bound and gagged. He is convicted on 16 counts of contempt and sentenced to four years in prison. While in jail he would be charged again for killing a cop in years past, a trial that would end in 1971 with a hung jury.

That is an outrage!

I am writing my Congressman.
[/quote]

You asked. I provided. I don’t care what you think about it.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

Bullshit. The Black panthers were reactionary to American society. Their leaders were murdered in their sleep because they were too dangerous to the establishment that was (is) in power.

Oh my…I never knew that took place. Please tell me who was murdered? When were they murdered? And who exactly killed them (by name please)

On April 6, 1968, in West Oakland, Bobby Hutton, 17 years old, is shot dead by Oakland police. In a 90 minute gun battle, an unarmed Bobby Hutton is shot ten times dead, after his house is set ablaze and he is forced to run out into a fire of bullets. Just two days earlier, Martin Luther King is assasinated, after he had begun rethinking his own doctrines of non-violence, and started to build ties with radical unions.

Two months later on the day of Bobby’s death, Robert Kennedy, widely recognised in the minority commmunity as one of the only politicians in the US “sympathetic” to the civil rights movement, is also assasinated.

In January, 1969, The first Panther’s Free Breakfast for School Children Program is initiated at St. Augustine’s Church in Oakland. By the end of the year, the Panthers set up kitchens in cities across the nation, feeding over 10,000 children every day before they went to school.

A few months later, J. Edgar Hoover publicly states that the Panthers are the “greatest threat to the internal security of the country”.

In Chicago, the outstanding leader of the Panthers local, Fred Hampton, leads five different breakfast programs on the West Side, helps create a free medical center, and initiates a door to door program of health services which test for sickle cell anemia, and encourage blood drives for the Cook County Hospital. The Chicago party also begins reaching out to local gangs to clean up their acts, get them away from crime and bring them into the class war.

The Parties efforts meet wide success, and Hampton’s audiences and organised contingent grow by the day. On December 4th, at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, thanks to information from an FBI informant , Chicago police raid the Panthers’ Chicago apartment, murdering Fred Hampton while he sleeps in bed.

He is shot twice in the head, once in the arm and shoulder; while three other people sleeping in the same bed escape unharmed. Mark Clark, sleeping in the living room chair, is also murdered while asleep. Hampton’s wife, carrying child for 8 months, is also shot, but survives. Four panthers sleeping in the apartment are wounded, while one other escapes injury . Fred Hampton was 21 years old when he was executed, Mark was 17 years old.

According to the findings of the federal grand jury, Ninety bullets were fired inside the apartment. 1 came from a Panther ? Mark ? who slept with a shotgun in his hand. All surviving Panther members were arrested for “attempted murder of the police and aggravated assault”. Not a single cop spent a moment in jail for the executions.

In 1969 Bobby Seale is indicted in Chicago for protesting during the Democratic national convention of last year. The court refuses to allow Seale to choose a lawyer. As Seale repeatedly stands up during the show trial insisting that he is being denied his constitutional right to counsel, the judge orders him bound and gagged. He is convicted on 16 counts of contempt and sentenced to four years in prison. While in jail he would be charged again for killing a cop in years past, a trial that would end in 1971 with a hung jury.

That is an outrage!

I am writing my Congressman.

You asked. I provided. I don’t care what you think about it.

[/quote]

He does this all the time, Irish. he says something which is obviously to be taken sarcastically, then when you call him on his petty little bullshit, he claims he was being serious.

Typical.

[quote]doogie wrote:

doogie wrote:

Using race crimes as evidence of ongoing white racism in America is probably not the best arguement liberals have.

ALDurr wrote:

What was the point of this post?

That sentence isn’t crystal clear?[/quote]

Maybe I didn’t make it clear what I was asking. What was the purpose of the post? ZEB asked a question and I gave him an answer. I wasn’t using race crimes as evidence of ongoing white racism in America. I simply answered a question.

By the way, whenever someone mentions race as a problem in America, they are automatically labelled as a liberal. Why? Do you self-proclaimed conservatives think that race is not a factor in the running of this country? Probably not, because you are all white males and it doesn’t personally affect you. Yes, I realize that I am projecting an answer for you, but I am going by what you all post regularly.

For the record, I am not a liberal. In many ways, I am more conservative than many of you on this board. (I could get personal based on many things posted on various areas on these boards, but I won’t) I just know what I do and do not like, period.

Is it possible that you self-proclaimed conservatives have such little imagination that the only way you can deal with people is that you have to compartmentalize them and slap your label on them before your mind can deal with them? Or, is it just you all like starting shit and that is not how you really view things at all?

It was mainly a response to Prof. X bringing up lynchings and your response about James Byrd. The first article shows the how liberals used that case as an indictment of Republicans. The second article shows that race crimes statistics in no way support liberals.

[quote]
By the way, whenever someone mentions race as a problem in America, they are automatically labelled as a liberal. Why? [/quote]
I don’t think that’s a true assumption. Not any more true than me saying anytime a white guy brings up race, he’s labeled racist.

[quote]
Do you self-proclaimed conservatives think that race is not a factor in the running of this country? Probably not, because you are all white males and it doesn’t personally affect you. Yes, I realize that I am projecting an answer for you, but I am going by what you all post regularly. [/quote]

I think most self-proclaimed conservatives understand the concept of “two wrongs don’t make a right”. I also think they understand the absurdity of punishing people who’ve committed no wrongs.

[quote]
For the record, I am not a liberal. In many ways, I am more conservative than many of you on this board. (I could get personal based on many things posted on various areas on these boards, but I won’t) I just know what I do and do not like, period. [/quote]

In many ways, I’m very liberal. I doubt any of us are purely anything.

[quote]
Is it possible that you self-proclaimed conservatives have such little imagination that the only way you can deal with people is that you have to compartmentalize them and slap your label on them before your mind can deal with them?[/quote]

I think race is used 1000 times more often by self-proclaimed liberals to justify treating people differently.

[quote]

Or, is it just you all like starting shit and that is not how you really view things at all?[/quote]

I love starting shit AND I really view things this way.

Any white T-Maggers who will move into a non white neighborhood or send their kids to a non-white school, preferably black, come forward!

Irish, are you accusing the U.S. government of assassinating MLK, Jr.? This thread is getting far too wacky.