very good points you made there…
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Thanks for posting, upon further thought I think you are right. No bullshit opinion is the best. I’m editing the post to just let people know that this isn’t in anyway a true article based upon proven published articles, most of it. Thanks for posting again. Made me think about my approach towards what I believe is good info and bad info. Good point.[/quote]
Honestly, I will post anything to see that avatar. Masteron and pictures like that are a bad combination. 
[quote]W.H.B. wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
Thanks for posting, upon further thought I think you are right. No bullshit opinion is the best. I’m editing the post to just let people know that this isn’t in anyway a true article based upon proven published articles, most of it. Thanks for posting again. Made me think about my approach towards what I believe is good info and bad info. Good point.
Honestly, I will post anything to see that avatar. Masteron and pictures like that are a bad combination. ;)[/quote]
Hehehehe ok I guess thanks 
Glad my avatar making you feel ‘good’. lol.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
I am going to keep my mouth shut on this topic but i have a certain opinion on those who choose to use DNP
Everybody has different opinions and everybody should respect each other opinions. Some think steroid users are lazy in some aspects, some consider DNP users to be lazy asses that dont want to work hard to shred fat, some consider it a smart way to loose fat…everybody has a different opinion. It’s these different opinions that makes humanity in general evolve, in better or worse, and its fascinating. [/quote]
Very few people have the real knowledge of how to properly use DNP and the REAL side effects as well as what it feels like to die by dehydration and your body cooks it’s own organs.
Objective? I would venture to say 90% of you really understand DNP and it’s effect on Mitochondrial transport of ATP, it’s catabolic effects, among other things.
Ya know what? I am not going to bother to explain. In the end, people are LAZY.
The first thing people ask me when i help them with a diet is “Can i take any fat burners?”
Half of what i say on the internet is like preaching to the Hellen Kellar Support Group.
my 2 cents is…most lie and bullshit…saying hey I used it !! unless I see someone with my own eyes use it…ill never touch it…but that me… my DNP source keeps begging me to try it…how about you guys use the source…then report back.lol
Just to chime in here, a couple of my training partners are currently using DNP and so far have seen good results. One has lost 9 lbs of fat in 7 days (as of yesterday).
They are both larger guys, up around 300lbs, and are doing 450mg per day divided into 3 doses.
I only see them once a week or so, but I can update y’all on their progress as I find out.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well if you’re not going to bother to explain, your posts are essentially useless, no?
So far you have said that you would keep your mouth shut, but then said that you had a certain opinion of those who choose to use DNP. Which is it, mouth shut or opinions?
Next you claim to be some sort of expert on DNP. But you can’t be bothered to educate us poor fools. So again, your posts are completely unhelpful whilst putting others down.
Thanks for playing.
BBB
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No because i am not wasting my breath explaining this to people who would rather substitute a compound for hard work.
Is AAS needed to compete on an IFBB Level? Yes
Is DNP needed on a competitive level to cut fat? NO!
Hell, you don’t even need friggin T3 or Clen if your diet is where it should be.
I’ve run DNP twice in my younger, dumber days.
Everyone here wants to sit on their little soapbox and run their mouth “Oh DNP burns fat and i don’t care what you say.”
Meanwhile us dedicated individuals sit back and laugh at you morons putting an industrial dye, wood treatment, and compound in dynamite manufacturing into your bodies vs. dieting/treadmill
I remember the first time i mentioned DNP to Dave Palumbo and he said to me
“Anyone who comes to me asking me about DNP I tell them they clearly have not the mental or physical fortitude to do this and should look for another nutritionist/trainer.”
I wish “internet experts” had as much knowledge as they thought they did.
“DNP is an uncoupling agent that inhibits the flow of electrons and the pumping of H+ ions for ATP synthesis. Fifty years ago it was used for weight loss, however, in 1938 the FDA removed it from the counter, as it caused cataracts and even sometimes death. If electron transport does not produce ATP, then much more sugar must be metabolized for energy needs. Very low production of ATP would be lethal. In oxidative phosphorylation, the flow of electrons from NADH (the reduced form of NAD+, oxidized from NAD. This enzyme is important in accepting electrons in the course of metabolic reactions. When NAD+ gives up it’s electron, it is converted to it’s reduced form NADH) and FADH2 (the reduced form of FAD) to oxygen results in the pumping of H+ from the matrix to the inner membrane space of the mitochondria. This gradient of H+ can produce ATP by flowing through ATP synthetase in the mitochondrial inner membrane. Dinitrophenol disrupts the H+ gradient reducing ATP synthesis. Under these conditions, much of the food that we eat could not be used for ATP synthesis and we lose weight. However, too much inhibitor and we could make too little ATP for life. The difference between weight loss and death is only a small concentration change in dinitrophenol, making the drug dangerous. Simply put, this means that while eating your normal diet, you will have somewhere between 20% and 40% reduction of calories.”
Chew on that one for a little bit sweetheart.
ATP transport across Mitochondrial boundaries is one of the fundamental building blocks of protein synthesis (aka: muscle preservation/synthesis)
[quote]Big Jay wrote:
I wish “internet experts” had as much knowledge as they thought they did…
Chew on that one for a little bit sweetheart.
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DNP use is right on the level with guys injecting a smooth muscle contractant used in veterinary abortions of fetal elephants for weightloss. We can all blame the “chinaman” for pushing that one out in the AAS playing field.
Ranks up there Suicide Bombers on the Darwin scale.
You will never see a respectable pro bodybuilder using DNP. At least i haven’t. My nutritionist is an IFBB pro, several of my friends are IFBB pro’s and national level guys. We pretty much laugh at certain things like Dianabol, Anadrol, guys running 10iu HGH everyday, etc.
If everyone knew as much as they thought they did AND was as dedicated as they thought they were, there would be a lot more IFBB pro’s out there.
Most of them stay off the boards because of shit like this. It’s just info that makes you shake your head.
Now when someone starts asking the right questions…then its worth answering.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
You sir have used DNP. Mind share some experience? I haven’t used DNP myself so I am not able to judge what’s a proper format. At least not at the time being.[/quote]
I used twice a few years back maybe 5-7 years ago. The caps I got were alleged to be 200mg’s. I say alleged because I believe they were underdosed for a few reasons: it was probably a way for the supplier to somewhat ease the possibillty of overdose, 2 I ended up taking more than planned for the hell to set in, and 3 the guy got his start selling DNP then got into mega dose injectables made a name for himself and then turned scammer and fucked allot of people over.
Anyway, My first run I made an excell spreadsheet calculating the daily amount in my system based on a 36 hour half life and gradually increased the dose as needed to slowly ramp up day by day till the hell hit me.
I say hell because that’s pretty much what it felt like, the first time I did this was early spring so the average weather temp was in the 30-40F range. I needed a window cracked at all times and/or a fan. I had zero energy to do much of anything, walking on a treadmill was torture. Not much of an appetite from what I can remember, and the thought of most food was really unappealing. It just plain sucked. Turned my man juice yellow too, till it was out of my system.
I lost some fat but nothing really to justify the side effects in my opinion. Granted I’ve always been chubby so on a leaner individual it would probably be more noticeable.
I hung on to what I had left and decided to try it again about 2 years later. This time though I did it when the weather was warmer, and since I still had the same spreadsheet and the same batch I bumped the initial doses up. Pure hell x10^666. Similar results as the first time, couldn’t sit in an air conditioned room with out sweating and just being miserable in general. At one point under flourecent lights a friend who didn’t know what I was up too, stopped me and made me look at him cause he thought my eyes looked yellow. That scared me, oh and yellow man juice again.
So after 2 runs at 2 weeks a piece with so-so results in my opinion and horrible sides, it wasn’t worth it in my opinion. Maybe a lower dose longer timeframe approach would work better with less sides but I’ve never had any desire to ever try it again.
Hope that helps.
[quote]Big Jay wrote:
My nutritionist is an IFBB pro[/quote]
Do you think that if you keep saying this anyone will give a shit?
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
My nutritionist is an IFBB pro
Do you think that if you keep saying this anyone will give a shit?[/quote]
Are you a powerlifter?
First off, unless you were a bodybuilder or are going to be, you have not even the slightest place in this thread. Even then, you don’t.
Second, yes it does. Since we all laugh at these idiots using the stuff. I laugh at myself for using it.
I used it twice. Cap’s were 200mg as well. First time i went up to 600mg every 36 hours for 10 days. Sucked.
Next time i went up to 1000mg every 36 hours for 14 days. At 1000mg i felt like walking death even drinking 2 gallons of water a day.
So without reading this thread of info:
1)It’s 36 hour dosing, not 24. That’s a good way to die
2)Mix a 3 tablespoons Glycerin into a gallon of water and drink AT LEAST that throughout the day. The glycerin helps you stay hydrated. If you dip into another gallon add 3 more TBSP Glycerin.
- Pyruvate at 3g daily. This helps with the glucose balance in the blood and stopping the DNP from burning off all the glucose leaving you with none for the ATP transfer.
As bodybuilders we already do enough bad shit to our bodies. Once you get to the level of being so big it hurts to move (250+ which i was back in 06’), pounding 8 meals a day, and running all sorts of fun stuff…you try to cut back on the shit you DON’T need.
I know guys who pre-contest won’t run T3. Some don’t even run Clen.
DNP…you won’t hear that in any serious bodybuilders regimen.
Fist pumpers getting read for spring break, or Joey Bagodonuts getting ready for beach season…yeah.
We all laugh at them anyway.
[quote]Big Jay wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
My nutritionist is an IFBB pro
Do you think that if you keep saying this anyone will give a shit?
Are you a powerlifter?
First off, unless you were a bodybuilder or are going to be, you have not even the slightest place in this thread. Even then, you don’t.
Second, yes it does. Since we all laugh at these idiots using the stuff. I laugh at myself for using it.
I used it twice. Cap’s were 200mg as well. First time i went up to 600mg every 36 hours for 10 days. Sucked.
Next time i went up to 1000mg every 36 hours for 14 days. At 1000mg i felt like walking death even drinking 2 gallons of water a day.
So without reading this thread of info:
1)It’s 36 hour dosing, not 24. That’s a good way to die
2)Mix a 3 tablespoons Glycerin into a gallon of water and drink AT LEAST that throughout the day. The glycerin helps you stay hydrated. If you dip into another gallon add 3 more TBSP Glycerin.
- Pyruvate at 3g daily. This helps with the glucose balance in the blood and stopping the DNP from burning off all the glucose leaving you with none for the ATP transfer.
As bodybuilders we already do enough bad shit to our bodies. Once you get to the level of being so big it hurts to move (250+ which i was back in 06’), pounding 8 meals a day, and running all sorts of fun stuff…you try to cut back on the shit you DON’T need.
I know guys who pre-contest won’t run T3. Some don’t even run Clen.
DNP…you won’t hear that in any serious bodybuilders regimen.
Fist pumpers getting read for spring break, or Joey Bagodonuts getting ready for beach season…yeah.
We all laugh at them anyway.
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First off let me say this, I may have put it in a bitchy way but you have mentioned it a multitude of times, we all get it. Yay for you and your IFBB buddy. I’m so jealous and he must know everything there is. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Second, it would appear that my slightly bitchy post finally got you to post some useful information so my goal was accomplished.
I am only in here because I have training partners who are currently using DNP(and at the start of the thread the OP asked for people who personally knew someone taking it). One of these guys is roughly 310lbs of mostly muscle so I would not be calling him a “fist pumper”. So I believe I can say that he is a serious bodybuilder who uses DNP.
By the way, that’s great that you know people who don’t even use Clen pre-contest, but what the hell does that have to do with everyone else? What works for some people won’t work for everyone.
Oh and yes I am a powerlifter and don’t really have any interest in bodybuilding other than being a spectator.
Ok well pretty judging by your liberal approach (which quite frankly DISGUSTS me) anything i said is going in one ear and out the other. That’s fine because in the end, those who call a spade a spade are the ones who make progress and end up on top.
I would love to know who your 310 lb. friend is because i worked out with Evan Centopani last weekend who happens to be about 308 lbs. and he’s not using DNP. Oh wait, he has his pro-card and is in the latest issue of Muscular Development too, is your friend? Point being, i have NEVER come across a pro who currently uses DNP in his prep. I met guys who HAVE but most feel the same way as I
I come off bitchy because DNP use is PURE laziness.
It’s NOT muscle sparing, greatly depletes the bodies ATP production, and potentially damaging to the brain and immune system (hint: take your temperature while running DNP and see what it comes out to)
In my opinion this absolutely ridiculous info does nothing but effect 18-19 year old kids who think it’s some miracle pill.