Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
If you ever do get ahold of these items be sure not to sell them back to the government, apparently grenade launchers will not even get you a gift card like everyone else.
Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
So you want to make sure we know that you were thinking, eh? This a rare occasion?
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
fair enough. what is the answer then, if not gun control or higher penalties? or did you say it already- “get people working and change the culture”?
changing the culture would take a few generations but sounds like a good start. Getting people working would be a good start too, and easier to change.
changing the culture would surely involve a much bigger state involvement in education/welfare than you have just now though.
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You could change the culture, get everyone working, and improve education in just five years with less government involvement. And you could do it without being evil, hateful, or inconsiderate to any individual or group.
Problem is, you’d still have rioting in the streets.
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
fair enough. what is the answer then, if not gun control or higher penalties? or did you say it already- “get people working and change the culture”?
changing the culture would take a few generations but sounds like a good start. Getting people working would be a good start too, and easier to change.
changing the culture would surely involve a much bigger state involvement in education/welfare than you have just now though.
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No
“Getting people working again” IS changing the culture
They are one and the same
No, the gov’t is not the reason the grass is green or the sky is blue
Things can be done without much bigger state involvement
With this line of thinking - can I blame the gov’t for the screwed up culture now? Or can gov’t do no wrong? …It only makes sense to mindlessly turn to gov’t when it’s being set as the go to solution?
Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
So you want to make sure we know that you were thinking, eh? This a rare occasion?
It’s not a Constitutional right. It’s a God-given right protected from infringement by the Constitution.[/quote]
Sure but the explosives being illegal are a matter of preference. They could certainly fall under any reasonable definition of arms. Its sophistry at best to say all hand held guns should be legal to own as they fall under the definition of arms, yet SAMs and such are explosives not arms.
Explosives are arms. That was never an issue, but nice of you to argue against anyway.
I have control over what my gun shoots. I do not have control over what a landmine hits. The moral and legal liability of a landmine’s indiscriminate killing would stop me from owning one without a law banning them. Same with SAM’s. I may have control over what it hits, but I have no control of the catastrophic events that could happen as a result.
I would not shoot a person driving a car that was heading toward a group of people. That would be stupid and useless, as it wouldn’t remove the threat to the people. If I had a shot at taking out a tire or other part that could slow the vehicle down or stop it, that would be the thing to do.
There is just too much risk to innocents associated with using explosives. Stop being so emotionally irrational and use some common sense, would you?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Explosives are arms. That was never an issue, but nice of you to argue against anyway.
I have control over what my gun shoots. I do not have control over what a landmine hits. The moral and legal liability of a landmine’s indiscriminate killing would stop me from owning one without a law banning them. Same with SAM’s. I may have control over what it hits, but I have no control of the catastrophic events that could happen as a result.
I would not shoot a person driving a car that was heading toward a group of people. That would be stupid and useless, as it wouldn’t remove the threat to the people. If I had a shot at taking out a tire or other part that could slow the vehicle down or stop it, that would be the thing to do.
There is just too much risk to innocents associated with using explosives. Stop being so emotionally irrational and use some common sense, would you?[/quote]
Common sense is no argument against what arms should be illegal.
It just becomes preference then. You think I take that landmines and SAMs shouldn’t be available to everyone because of the chance that catastrophic events could occur. That is the very same argument someone that wants all guns to be registered or illegal would use they just hold a narrower view of what is catastrophic. Your view is part of a continuum where the line is drawn is personal preference in all cases except all arms are legal or nothing is legal.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
We’ve already had this conversation, groo, on the Costas thread.[/quote]
To be honest I doubt it. But his position is a matter of preference. He has an issue with the indiscriminate nature of land mines say this is the same issue some have with machine guns or what have you.
I would say almost everyone has a threshold of what weapons should be available to civilians and its their personal preference to where they set it.
And to be clear I am not anti gun I think we should be able to own almost anything. It really doesn’t matter where you are Somalia or China evil people do evil things. Its not government as a monolithic entity that is trying to ban guns or does evil it just perhaps magnifies what individuals do on their own.
My position would be more that people are amoral or evil and do largely what they can get away with. I just find it amusing that people ascribe these qualities to the government when its really just people.
Common sense is no argument against what arms should be illegal.
It just becomes preference then. You think I take that landmines and SAMs shouldn’t be available to everyone because of the chance that catastrophic events could occur. That is the very same argument someone that wants all guns to be registered or illegal would use they just hold a narrower view of what is catastrophic. Your view is part of a continuum where the line is drawn is personal preference in all cases except all arms are legal or nothing is legal.
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Common sense is never a valid argument to someone who has none. The fact that you can’t present a rational, qualifying argument says everything I need to know about your opinion.
Your only argumentative tools are ad hominem, hyperbole and emotional manipulation. If you cannot explain your reasoning for wanting guns banned, then you don’t have any reason for wanting guns banned.
There are two types of people who would seek to disarm you; those who wish to enslave you, and those who wish to kill you.
There is one who would see you exercise your right to choose whether to arm yourself or not; that one will fight with you or for you. Your choice.
Common sense is no argument against what arms should be illegal.
It just becomes preference then. You think I take that landmines and SAMs shouldn’t be available to everyone because of the chance that catastrophic events could occur. That is the very same argument someone that wants all guns to be registered or illegal would use they just hold a narrower view of what is catastrophic. Your view is part of a continuum where the line is drawn is personal preference in all cases except all arms are legal or nothing is legal.
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Common sense is never a valid argument to someone who has none. The fact that you can’t present a rational, qualifying argument says everything I need to know about your opinion.
Your only argumentative tools are ad hominem, hyperbole and emotional manipulation. If you cannot explain your reasoning for wanting guns banned, then you don’t have any reason for wanting guns banned.
There are two types of people who would seek to disarm you; those who wish to enslave you, and those who wish to kill you.
There is one who would see you exercise your right to choose whether to arm yourself or not; that one will fight with you or for you. Your choice.[/quote]
I don’t want guns banned. I am just showing you that your reasoning is flawed, as it is. To be in strict accordance with the constitution likely all arms or at least all arms available to the government should be available to a private citizen if they can afford it. I’d likely be in agreement with that. Now I think you can require registration in some circumstances and probably restriction…like say if you really wanted land mines you would have to have an enclosed property and a certain amount of liability insurance and probably make it public(your ownership and use).
No problem with banning weapons the government doesn’t use by treaty but I imagine this is likely unconstitutional in a strict view.
Your argument simplified is that public safety overides the constitution in cases of large munitions or chemical or biological stuff I got that. Its preference.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
We’ve already had this conversation, groo, on the Costas thread.[/quote]
To be honest I doubt it…
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You can doubt it all you want but we’ve already had the conversation. Not that it has to end but you’re late to the party and many of us involved in that discussion aren’t going to give your lazy ass another tutorial when it’s right there in yellow and black NOW.
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You may have had it. You may have even had it to the satisfaction of you and like minded brethren. We haven’t had it. And I am sure the feeling is mutual, but your thoughts on it aren’t particularly compelling to me so I’ll feel free to post as I like. Where you want to draw the line is a preference. The current law of the land is the preference of most people. When the preference of most people falls out of line with the law, the law is changed. Sometimes laws are challenged and constitutionality determined, but its not that often. Mostly the law is what people want it to be. There are many justices like Posner say who determine a lot of the law and by and large would be considered conservative, but hold views on some topics like his on privacy that would veer far from the constitution and law is then shaped to his preference in those cases moreso than the constitution in my opinion.
Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
I’m building a flamethrower right now, using an old SCBA airpack as a platform. Seriously, I’ll post a video when it’s done; gonna be cool as shit.
I don’t want guns banned. I am just showing you that your reasoning is flawed, as it is. To be in strict accordance with the constitution likely all arms or at least all arms available to the government should be available to a private citizen if they can afford it. I’d likely be in agreement with that. Now I think you can require registration in some circumstances and probably restriction…like say if you really wanted land mines you would have to have an enclosed property and a certain amount of liability insurance and probably make it public(your ownership and use).
No problem with banning weapons the government doesn’t use by treaty but I imagine this is likely unconstitutional in a strict view.
Your argument simplified is that public safety overides the constitution in cases of large munitions or chemical or biological stuff I got that. Its preference.
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My argument is not that public safety overrides the Constitution. My argument is that a man can control a gun in his possession, but not a landmine on his property or where a plane crashes when he shoots it down. It’s about responsibility and practicality, and it’s called ‘good sense’.
If your argument is not in favor of banning guns, then what is it you’re proposing?
Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
I’m building a flamethrower right now, using an old SCBA airpack as a platform. Seriously, I’ll post a video when it’s done; gonna be cool as shit.[/quote]
LOL, awesome. But I gotta ask; what the hell are you going to do with it?
[quote]groo wrote:
I think the idea of a populace holding off any modern military with solely small arms is ludicrous.[/quote]
If that were true then why do the communists worry themselves silly over America’s gun owners?
Imagine being a Syrian citizen and half the military is attacking you the other half is on your side. If you had decent weapons you could perhaps escape from being shot, gassed and beaten with batons by your loon leaders.
How many of you think your leaders here really give a damn about you? What would it take to convince you we’re not far off from being beaten, gassed or worse:
Chaos can’t possible happen here can it? You liberals just dial 911 when it breaks down here and the stores are emptied of food and mobs kick in doors of homes that cant be defended.
Hope you have a nice pile of rocks for the bad guys with shiny weapons.
Liberal mayors fighting FOR rights that aren’t in the constitution and fighting against YOUR RIGHTS that are.
I doubt very seriously the rocket propelled grenade launcher was turned in by it’s owner. I also thought about who runs that city. Liberal and outspoken gun control nuts.
That grenade launcher smells fishy.
It is most likely borrowed from their Hollywood buddies that thought it would scare more liberals into turning on their gun owning family and friends.
Why isnt wallmart selling landmines. I want to buy a shitload of landmines so I can mine my yard against unwanted visitors. No f***ing trespassing.
Where can I get this flamethrower? I need to burn my forest down so I can see farther with my sniper. I dont wanna use it inside though, I might melt my P90 Ab Ripper by mistake.
I also need some surface-to-air missiles to protect me and my family from alien attacks/tyrannical government and burglars if they come with an aircraft.
It’s a constitutional right.[/quote]
I’m building a flamethrower right now, using an old SCBA airpack as a platform. Seriously, I’ll post a video when it’s done; gonna be cool as shit.[/quote]
LOL, awesome. But I gotta ask; what the hell are you going to do with it?[/quote]
Probably just start bonfires at parties, maybe tear it down and make it better once I get the first version working. LOL…I just love the engineering of it.
I asked my Fire Chief if I could use it to start our department’s training burns with it’ he just laughed a little and said “NO”.
