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re: Pushing “Green Jobs”

Full disclosure: I work for an IT company that provides services in the “sustainable (ie ‘green’) technology sector”. We are majority owned by the leading developer of solar energy in the world.

Green Jobs = Economic Self-mutilation?
By J Dwight
Published: Aug 30, 2009

There has been much press and advertising lately about “green jobs” being, or about to be, created by construction of wind farms and other renewable energy sources. President Barack Obama, in fact, has used Spain as a model for pursuing sustainable energy projects.

But for every four green jobs created in Spain, less than one was made permanent, according to a study released by Spain’s Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in March 2009. Spain’s experience also shows for every permanent green job created, nine permanent jobs were destroyed. Creating green jobs, then, is touted as a “Bridge to the Future,” but it looks like a “Bridge to Nowhere.”

Maine faces a similar, if not more tenuous, situation than Spain.

A report released last week by the American Center for Capital Formation noted that Maine could face an additional 6,000 to 9,000 job losses if federal “cap and trade” legislation is passed, the mechanism by which many of these green jobs will be created.

Cap and trade, essentially, would tax emitters of carbon dioxide, and use the revenue â?? about $15 billion â?? to fund renewable, sustainable energy development.

Maine’s most recent unemployment figures say there are about 59,000 now, up from 37,000 a year earlier. There are approximately 700,000 people total in Maine’s workforce, for an unemployment rate of around 8.4 percent. Passing cap and trade could drive Maine’s unemployment rate above 10 percent, adding about 7,500 to the ranks of the unemployed.

To do this in a deliberately destructive government policy would be simply unacceptable.

Cap and trade legislation that uses Spain as a model for the United States will be considered this fall by the Senate. Reps. Chellie Pingree and Mike Michaud have already voted yes on such legislation, earlier this summer.

Heavy electricity users like L.L. Bean, National Semiconductor, Fairchild, IDEXX, and others could face steep increases in energy costs in the near future, if this legislation is passed. Their employees would face further downsizing, or cuts in benefits, as new rules are implemented.

These companies already are dealing with higher than average electricity costs, because of legislation like the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative passed a few years ago.

The United States could also face a situation where much of our steel, aluminum and metallurgy â?? which takes a great deal of electricity â?? would be outsourced to countries like Brazil, China and Australia, which are opting-out of such economically destructive policies.

The report on Spain’s experience noted that tax credits, government debt, and electricity rate increases were used to spur development of renewable or sustainable energy sources. This is just like the Obama administration and organizations like the Natural Resources Council of Maine are pushing in Maine.

The intentional misallocation of societal resources in the form of tax credits for construction, higher utility costs, and government debt, have put Spain behind in the race for new and innovative ways to solve the energy demand, and in the ability to recover from the current recession.

For every megawatt of wind-power constructed, permanent back-up power sources are needed. Wind and solar power are not reliable electricity producers. They are kind of like alcoholics in the workforce â?? always calling in sick just when you need them, forcing more reliable workers to pick up the slack.

Spain’s experience also showed that spending societal resources on wind power actually increased its carbon-footprint. Ironically, Spain’s annual emissions of carbon dioxide have increased by nearly 50 percent since the launch of the subsidized “green jobs” program, as noted recently by the Institute for Energy Research, the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

Conventional fossil fuel energy sources were needed to keep electricity flowing when the wind abated.

Groups like the NRCM claim, “Wind power emits no mercury, no air pollution, no carbon dioxide, no need to mine coal, and alleviate the demand for natural gas!” But the experiences of countries that have actually invested heavily in wind power like Spain, Germany, and Denmark prove the opposite.

The National Post has reported, “Denmark, the most wind intensive country with 6000 turbines generating 19% of electricity from wind power, they have not been able to close one fossil fuel plant and to their dismay, 50% more electricity was needed to cover wind’s unpredictability, and CO2 emissions rose 36%.”

"Niels Gram of the Danish Federation of Industries says, “windmills are a mistake and economically make no sense.” Aase Madsen, the Chair of Energy Policy in the Danish Parliament, calls it “a terribly expensive disaster.”

“The German experience is no different,” reported the National Post. Der Spiegel reported that “Germany’s CO2 emissions haven’t been reduced by even a single gram,” and additional coal and gas-fired plants have been constructed to ensure reliable delivery."

So, if wind power does not decrease the use of coal or gas, does not decrease CO2 emissions, does not produce permanent job gains, and in fact destroys jobs, increases electricity costs, and increases CO2 production, what does it do?

One begins to wonder if cap and trade is the equivalent of economic self-mutilation. [/i]

Does Van Jones have any qualifications to be a Green Jobs czar? I mean, does he hold any kind of education in Civil/Environmental/Electrical Engineering, Biophysics, Molecular Biology, or anything of the sort?

Goodbye Van Jones.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Communist or not, one thing you really can’t argue about is what needs to happen in our food industries, and energy resources.

Um, isnt he in charge of cap and trade? I would think its kinda important to know whether or not he is a communist…

“I want you to hear some new audio from the green jobs czar, specific adviser to the president for green jobs, or whatever they want to call him” - beck

I think because of the radical spirit behind the communist philosophy if he were a communist he would have said it by now. He identifies himself as an eco capitalist, which simply means he would like to see our capitalist foundations made sustainable and healthier for our planet.

One thing I’m concerned about is that he accomplishes this in the right way. Too fast, or too slow, there could be issues.

You ARE in there right? He has said it!!! He declares… outright… that eco-capitalism is but a step in the direction of the communism which is his ultimate goal. HE said that. In the plainest most impossible to misunderstand terms imaginable.

He is a very intelligent man. All these people are. They are carrying out a plan that has been in the works since at least the 60’s. This has nothing to do with Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh et al. Many Americans, including myself have been warning about this incremental bloodless coup for decades.[/quote]

Well, he never said anything about communism, and I’m not sure why you think environmentalism/democratic ideals are part of some conspiracy.

But yes, I do agree that some of his statements are a bit troubling. He mentioned reparations for slavery, which is not something he should be concerned with(and something I am against).

I hope they get somebody else that knows what they are doing.

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
<<< I hope they get somebody else that knows what they are doing.[/quote]

They had somebody who knew what they were doing.

The man is a self described unabashed communist. That means he himself says that he embraces communist ideology. He also says that “eco-capitalism” IS NOT the goal, but an incremental step towards the goal.

[quote]Jones says:
Right now we’re saying we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism where, you know, at least we’re not â?? you know fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet.

Will that be enough? No, it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond excess and exploitation and oppression altogether, but that’s a process.[/quote]

When someone with his history who will freely tell you that he is a communist says this do you need a diagram for the rest?

The real issue is Obama appointing him in the first place. The day WILL come my friend when you find yourself sitting there deciding whether to continue supporting a communist president. As sure as I am typing this, that moment will come and you will be faced with a very unpleasant choice. Do I stay onboard and watch my country fall into the hands of an enemy ideology we spent 50 years defeating or do I finally break down and recognize that giving these lunatics the reigns was a catastrophic error regardless of what the alternatives were.

[quote]John S. wrote:
How is there even a debate on that last video I posted?[/quote]

Van Jones probably would have done a fine job, creating green jobs. As far as reparations being paid, that would never happen. So I do not see that as being any reason to boot him. I mean if radical views qualify some one to be booted, Cheney, Rumsfield and a host of other characters from the Bush admin. Should have went along time ago

And I did not pick up where he was a card carrying Comunist

[quote]Van Jones - East Bay Express, 2005 on his conversion to communism following the Rodney King trial,

“I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th (1992), and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist. (…)I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

“I’ll work with anybody, I’ll fight anybody if it will push our issues forward. I’m willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends.”[/quote]

This took me ten seconds to find.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
John S. wrote:
How is there even a debate on that last video I posted?

Van Jones probably would have done a fine job, creating green jobs. As far as reparations being paid, that would never happen. So I do not see that as being any reason to boot him. I mean if radical views qualify some one to be booted, Cheney, Rumsfield and a host of other characters from the Bush admin. Should have went along time ago

And I did not pick up where he was a card carrying Comunist[/quote]

“I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”

I mean you can believe he changed if you want, but I suspect his communism is now just vieled under the guise of “eco capitalism”. He want to use the environment as an excuse for "wealth redistribution.

Also love the Orwellian “eco capitalism”. Can we get a ministry of love too please?

[quote]Unaware wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
John S. wrote:
How is there even a debate on that last video I posted?

Van Jones probably would have done a fine job, creating green jobs. As far as reparations being paid, that would never happen. So I do not see that as being any reason to boot him. I mean if radical views qualify some one to be booted, Cheney, Rumsfield and a host of other characters from the Bush admin. Should have went along time ago

And I did not pick up where he was a card carrying Comunist

“I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”

I mean you can believe he changed if you want, but I suspect his communism is now just vieled under the guise of “eco capitalism”. He want to use the environment as an excuse for "wealth redistribution.

Also love the Orwellian “eco capitalism”. Can we get a ministry of love too please?[/quote]

Thanks