Well, if all you have to offer is sarcasm dripping in disdain, youre right.
Only the last sentence was disdainfully sarcastic. I truly do not understand the policies or the problems in great enough depth.
I’m willing to entertain the thought of typhus conditions being the best possible outcome, regardless of how simply it is avoided.
In all fairness, thanks to antivaxers who are not homeless, there will be plenty of people to be blamed for spreading diseases besides the homeless and liberals.
And the rich folk live behind walls so they don’t have to put up with this shit.
As long as they don’t where white hoods or police uniforms I don’t see the problem.
Unfortunately, even the folks who do have in-depth knowledge of the problems and the areas haven’t figured out a way to fix it. It’s not for a lack of trying or money.
That’s another bag of worms when we talk about diseases.
I’m a simple man, susceptible to thinking in simple terms that I am able to make sense of. I realize that Los Angeles isn’t a bar, but it is a situation I can relate to and explain.
If a person is overly intoxicated or causing problems with other people in a bar, I politely ask them to leave. If they refuse, I use measured force to make them leave.
I don’t expect this to help their problems. I don’t expect anything except their absence from the place I’m tasked with keeping safe and secure. That is my only goal, and the only outcome I can reliably produce.
I couldn’t imagine keeping my area free of problems if my bar had policies like…
People have a right to occupy the space regardless of their conduct.
People have a right to occupy the space under extreme intoxication.
The means to become intoxicated were supplied for free by the bar with few or no conditions attached.
Bathroom use was optional. Shit wherever and whenever you please.
If my bar had policies like this, removing problem people would become impossible. The once simple job cannot be done under the framework of those policies.
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The bar has policies and pays to have them enforced. How much will we pay to address the issues? And in the bar scenario, if you ask a drunk patron to leave, it solves your problem; if that patron then kills someone driving drunk, it just became someone else’s. If these people aren’t shitting in LA’s streets they will be shitting in some other town’s streets.
Sadly this is sometimes true. Our ability to stop destructive behavior is always limited in some shape or form. Complete control of the actions of others continues to be impossible. Control of our shared spaces, however, is not.
The possibility of bad outcomes in the future does not mean that we harbor the person causing problems. They have to go. Where that is will be up to them to figure out. They just can’t stay.
Possibly. I’m sure plenty of people I’ve bounced have found their way to other bars. Some have refused cab service and caused accidents. One sober guy died a few months ago chasing after an intoxicated friend who was bounced and left on his motorcycle.
Where we go and what we do is up to each of us. I can’t solve the problem of bad decisions, but I can make sure that making bad decisions in the area I’m tasked with securing isn’t tolerated.
That’s it. That’s all that is possible, and it’s very far from a perfect outcome.
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How do you prevent someone from returning? Cities don’t have a bouncer at every corner.
If you spend time on the guy peeing in the corner it will be at the expense of stopping the fight by the jukebox. Do you get more bouncers?
What happens when the bar next door doesn’t accept the drunk asshole and drops him back off in your bar? City’s don’t have an “outside”, it’s just a never ending string of private bars and that problem patron has to go to one of them.
Etc.
There is a very large difference between what works for a private business operating in a society, and what works for that larger society.
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We have a private social media page to keep track of banned customers. We’re also moving towards ID scanning technologies that will make this easier.
This can be true. Things can get wacky fast, but everything will be responded to. Since my semi-retirement I was replaced by two bouncers on my old shift, sometimes 3. The conditions dictate how they staff.
That depends on the persons choices. If visibility intoxicated, they will be denied entry. Where they go and what they do next is up to them. I can’t control it.
It’s also possible that they stop the behavior that got them bounced from the other bar and go on to have a good night.
For anyone wondering why I’m harping on about a little typhus outbreak, please understand that this is a disease that only shows up in the absolute worst conditions humans will face. Medieval life, prior to sanitation. The trenches of WWI. The concentration camps of WWII. Los Angeles in 2019. It only shows up in numbers when Hell on Earth conditions are present and people are living among rats, feces and fleas.
The same conditions will also allow Yersinia pestis to take hold. If that ever happens, well, I suspect cleaning up the shit and taking pest control seriously will gain more political traction. Who knows though? It may just be a small outbreak among the people living in the nightmare conditions across town.
Sadly, I think we are going to see a growing underclass in this country and things like this will only become more common.
If they can’t figure out how to take advantage of these historically low taxes, Idunnowattotellya
They can’t afford toilet paper.
Bunch of lazy moochers. Just kick em out of the damn bar.
I think I should invest in hoses and porto-potties.
Two cleanest cities I’ve been to are Singapore and Minsk, Belarus.
I guess you need some form of totalitarianism, either the technological version or straight up old school old iron fist to keep the city streets clean.
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I think its for lack of trying, but that’s just an opinion.
If you have the money, these people can be moved into shelters, counseled, and appropriated according to their need and ability. If their nuts, they can go to the booby-hatch. If they are down on their luck, they can get a leg up. If they are addicts they can go to rehabs.
This is all presuming the money exists. I just think most people don’t care.
I bet the tourist areas are free clear of this problem, so it can be controlled. And this a relatively new issue. Not homelessness, of course that’s not new, but mass homelessness and tent cities.
The people there are doing it because they are allowed to do it.