[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Prometheus sucked, I’m surprised that uninspired piece of shit
made enough money to even justify a sequel…Ridley Scott has always
been a hit or miss director for me anyway, but I’ve seen better films on teeth.
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Prometheus 3 is a classic:
I preferred Prometheus 4 myself. More action + Bill Paxton + Paul Reiser + Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) = win.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I also don’t consider those prequels when talking about the original Star Wars. They were forgettable imo.[/quote]
Yeah. There’s no point to making a prequel beyond exploiting the goodwill of the audience, unless you have something that truly enhances the original. A very difficult thing to do. [/quote]
What we have today, is great CGI effects that mask bad acting and horrible script writing.
Recently they showed the original Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi and found them to be as entertaining as I found them to be when I first saw them as a kid.
This movie is classic, it would kick ass even if you released it today.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Prometheus sucked, I’m surprised that uninspired piece of shit
made enough money to even justify a sequel…Ridley Scott has always
been a hit or miss director for me anyway, but I’ve seen better films on teeth.
[/quote]
Prometheus 3 is a classic:
Alien (1979) Trailer - YouTube [/quote]
I preferred Prometheus 4 myself. More action + Bill Paxton + Paul Reiser + Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) = win. [/quote]
It was entertaining. I’ll give you that. But where was the guy from Prometheus 1?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Prometheus sucked, I’m surprised that uninspired piece of shit
made enough money to even justify a sequel…Ridley Scott has always
been a hit or miss director for me anyway, but I’ve seen better films on teeth.
[/quote]
Prometheus 3 is a classic:
Alien (1979) Trailer - YouTube [/quote]
I preferred Prometheus 4 myself. More action + Bill Paxton + Paul Reiser + Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) = win. [/quote]
It was entertaining. I’ll give you that. But where was the guy from Prometheus 1?
He must have held out for too much money.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
Prometheus sucked, I’m surprised that uninspired piece of shit
made enough money to even justify a sequel…Ridley Scott has always
been a hit or miss director for me anyway, but I’ve seen better films on teeth.
[/quote]
Prometheus 3 is a classic:
Alien (1979) Trailer - YouTube [/quote]
I preferred Prometheus 4 myself. More action + Bill Paxton + Paul Reiser + Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) = win. [/quote]
It was entertaining. I’ll give you that. But where was the guy from Prometheus 1?
- YouTube [/quote]
He must have held out for too much money.
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He did. They wrote in some weird hatchy creatures to kill him off. Dude went back to daytime soaps.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
Smaug was awesome.
Maybe spoilerish
I could see book purists being a little miffed about the way the Smaug plot was rewritten for the big screen, but it gave him so much screen time, and the action was awesome(literal gold dragon so cool). I always loved the scene from the book/original movie, but I think people forget how short/small a part it actually was, and Jackson clearly wanted to change that.[/quote]
I thought the same thing.
Hated the way it cut off at the end though.[/quote]
Far too much Legolas. Not enough Bard or Beorn.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I also don’t consider those prequels when talking about the original Star Wars. They were forgettable imo.[/quote]
Yeah. There’s no point to making a prequel beyond exploiting the goodwill of the audience, unless you have something that truly enhances the original. A very difficult thing to do. [/quote]
What we have today, is great CGI effects that mask bad acting and horrible script writing.
Recently they showed the original Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi and found them to be as entertaining as I found them to be when I first saw them as a kid.
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That’s a good point about the acting but I think CGI is part of the problem as well. It wasn’t used with enough restraint. The pace of the Star Wars prequels was just too fast.
The movie beat you over the head with visuals and ridiculous action scenarios (and sub-scenarios) that it became boring. The ships and technology did look older, but the pacing and overly busy action sequences made it impossible for me to swallow that all of this happened before the first version.
The real-world limitations of using models gives the moments of action some satisfying realism and perhaps slows the movie down enough to allow the viewer a moment of reflection on what just happened.
CGI, in the case of Star Wars, is too much of a good thing.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This movie is classic, it would kick ass even if you released it today. [/quote]
Hell yes! I fell in love with that movie when I was a kid. Those weapons were legendary.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This movie is classic, it would kick ass even if you released it today. [/quote]
Hell yes! I fell in love with that movie when I was a kid. Those weapons were legendary.[/quote]
What I find with these movies, especially in the “pre-every movie must be raped with CGI” is the believability of the movies. What I mean is, the sense of the viewer feeling what the character is feeling. In the ALIEN movies, you can relate to the sense of fear, panic, anger, etc the characters feel.
When the crew of the Nostromo decides to abandon and blow the ship in the first Alien movie, when Hicks goes ape-shit in ALIENS, you totally get what they must have felt.
I am not mad with the idea behind the Prometheus movies, they are just reaping the reward from the successes of the Alien movies. Since you can’t really go forward with them, they might as well do a prequel about it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What I find with these movies, especially in the “pre-every movie must be raped with CGI” is the believability of the movies. What I mean is, the sense of the viewer feeling what the character is feeling. In the ALIEN movies, you can relate to the sense of fear, panic, anger, etc the characters feel.[/quote]
I agree.
Alien was one of the scariest movies I’ve ever seen because of the way it was told. I rewatched it a couple years ago and the slow pacing was exactly what it took to really build up the atmosphere, the fear, the panic.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This movie is classic, it would kick ass even if you released it today. [/quote]
Hell yes! I fell in love with that movie when I was a kid. Those weapons were legendary.[/quote]
What I find with these movies, especially in the “pre-every movie must be raped with CGI” is the believability of the movies. What I mean is, the sense of the viewer feeling what the character is feeling. In the ALIEN movies, you can relate to the sense of fear, panic, anger, etc the characters feel.
When the crew of the Nostromo decides to abandon and blow the ship in the first Alien movie, when Hicks goes ape-shit in ALIENS, you totally get what they must have felt.
I am not mad with the idea behind the Prometheus movies, they are just reaping the reward from the successes of the Alien movies. Since you can’t really go forward with them, they might as well do a prequel about it.
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Well said… I thought Prometheus was alright but I didn’t have high hopes. It was certainly better than Alien 4…which was just horrible.
Watching ‘‘Alien’’ in the Theater was great experience…especially with all the people
shutting the fuck up and respecting each other so we can all enjoy it.
Ironically The Special effects in ‘‘Alien’’ hold up much better than ‘‘Aliens’’,
with the Matte Shots being VERY evident and fake looking in HD now.
Still a great movie, but if they ever re-release that fuckin’ thing Cameron
needs to update a few of those effects…One effect where the ship carrying the
crew heading to LV-426 is awful.
[quote]Karado wrote:
Watching ‘‘Alien’’ in the Theater was great experience…especially with all the people
shutting the fuck up and respecting each other so we can all enjoy it.
Ironically The Special effects in ‘‘Alien’’ hold up much better than ‘‘Aliens’’,
with the Matte Shots being VERY evident and fake looking in HD now.
Still a great movie, but if they ever re-release that fuckin’ thing Cameron
needs to update a few of those effects…One effect where the ship carrying the
crew heading to LV-426 is awful.[/quote]
The audience most likely kept their mouths shut because they were generally scared. Even The Exorcist or The Shining didn’t scare me as much as Alien did. It messed me up as a kid and I still love it.
Maybe, but that was in general anyway, people used to just shut the fuck
up in theaters even when the previews started rolling…And most came to
the movies on time too, not this coming in 15 minutes after the movie starts
with someone carrying a 55 gallon drum of popcorn.
fuck that.
Why does it seem that there is such a gap between these movies mentioned, and today’s predictable shit storms of cinema ?
Movies pre- CGI seemed to engage you, bring you into the movie as if you were there, while today’s movies are filled with horrible acting and overpaid computer graphics people.
Maybe it’s the fact that today’s movies are not practical for defining reality in the terms we know them. Let’s face it, we as people do not walk around photoshopped, cropped, CGI-ed to death, with perfect scenery and backgrounds.
I am at least glad to hear that the next Star Wars will be filmed in 35 mm format, the original film to give that 70’s feel.
“For more on Abrams’ philosophy head over to this fascinating piece on Digital Content Producer.com, in which he discusses his rationale for sticking with celluloid on his Star Trek reboot. ?I wanted this movie to feel real,? Abrams explained. ?I?m not saying you can?t be real with digital. But with film, for me, there was such a familiarity and comfort to it, a real warmth. We wanted to avoid coldness and any unnatural sense of perfection.”
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=38538
It could not be said any better than this ^.
Let’s not forget we’re cherry picking some of the best movies ever in the sci-fi genre as our comparison point. There was plenty of shit back then too.
There’s always been plenty of shit, and audiences are slow to catch on
to good Sci-Fi that otherwise do TERRIBLE box office then later grow to become
cult hits over the years…“Gattaca”, ‘‘Dark City’’, ‘‘Ghost In The Shell’’, ''Equilibrium"
to name a few…(GITS didn’t get a wide theatrical release and the English dub is
kindy cheesy…good Sci-Fi though.)
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why does it seem that there is such a gap between these movies mentioned, and today’s predictable shit storms of cinema ?
Movies pre- CGI seemed to engage you, bring you into the movie as if you were there, while today’s movies are filled with horrible acting and overpaid computer graphics people.
Maybe it’s the fact that today’s movies are not practical for defining reality in the terms we know them. Let’s face it, we as people do not walk around photoshopped, cropped, CGI-ed to death, with perfect scenery and backgrounds.
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Peter Jackson said that green screen doesn’t allow any physical interaction with the set or background. I think that’s a huge part of it. The actors can feel the difference; we can see the difference.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This movie is classic, it would kick ass even if you released it today. [/quote]
Hell yes! I fell in love with that movie when I was a kid. Those weapons were legendary.[/quote]
What I find with these movies, especially in the “pre-every movie must be raped with CGI” is the believability of the movies. What I mean is, the sense of the viewer feeling what the character is feeling. In the ALIEN movies, you can relate to the sense of fear, panic, anger, etc the characters feel.
When the crew of the Nostromo decides to abandon and blow the ship in the first Alien movie, when Hicks goes ape-shit in ALIENS, you totally get what they must have felt.
I am not mad with the idea behind the Prometheus movies, they are just reaping the reward from the successes of the Alien movies. Since you can’t really go forward with them, they might as well do a prequel about it.
[/quote]
I thought the idea for Prometheus was great. I hated the fact that they used that excellent viral campaign to set up questions that the movie was supposed to answer but ducked until the sequel. That’s just unforgivable and why I will not be standing in line for Prometheus 2. I’d expect that kind of thing from a politician, not from a movie.