http://www.anh-europe.org/news/anh-press-release-anh-set-to-challenge-eu-herb-law
Sources are questionable, particularly the second one, but starting 31 March 2011 the same protocols and standards that apply to testing and approving pharmaceutical drugs must now be performed on herbal products.
This is typical of the European mentality. They want government to have ever increasingly strict control and regulation of as many aspects lives as possible. Europe is essentially a dictatorship with just enough of a pretense of democracy for Europeans to live in denial of what has happened to their freedom.
The Democrats want to do the same thing here and if you don’t keep an eye on Republicans they will do the same bullshit too.
OK - European mentality? You’re saying that Europeans, from Lisbon to moscow - think exactly the same way. That people who happen to live on the continent are one homogenous mass who haven’t endured milennia of war and bloodshed, with widespread cultural, ethnic and population differences.
The EU speaks the opinions of a tiny elite, not the populations it claims to represent. To say from these people’s views you can glean the mindset of a whole continent is idiotic
Wouldn’t this ensure quality control and enforce the idea that what is put on a label should actually be in the product?
Seems similar to the Therapeutic Goods act in australia
[quote]Bambi wrote:
OK - European mentality? You’re saying that Europeans, from Lisbon to moscow - think exactly the same way. That people who happen to live on the continent are one homogenous mass who haven’t endured milennia of war and bloodshed, with widespread cultural, ethnic and population differences.
The EU speaks the opinions of a tiny elite, not the populations it claims to represent. To say from these people’s views you can glean the mindset of a whole continent is idiotic[/quote]
Maybe you should look up the word typical. I don’t think you know what it means.
I think that all these substances should be researched and all the info should be available , but all should be legal including pharmaceuticals . Maybe with the exception of antibiotics , because abuse of those could affect the health of others directly.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
OK - European mentality? You’re saying that Europeans, from Lisbon to moscow - think exactly the same way. That people who happen to live on the continent are one homogenous mass who haven’t endured milennia of war and bloodshed, with widespread cultural, ethnic and population differences.
The EU speaks the opinions of a tiny elite, not the populations it claims to represent. To say from these people’s views you can glean the mindset of a whole continent is idiotic[/quote]
Maybe you should look up the word typical. I don’t think you know what it means.[/quote]
But typical is irrelevant here because there is no general european mentality. Is there an ‘african’ mentality? An ‘Asian’ mentality? No there isn’t because they are huge landmasses comprising billions of people with different cultures ethnicities and religions. Europeans are the same.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think that all these substances should be researched and all the info should be available , but all should be legal including pharmaceuticals . Maybe with the exception of antibiotics , because abuse of those could affect the health of others directly.[/quote]
Excellent post.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
OK - European mentality? You’re saying that Europeans, from Lisbon to moscow - think exactly the same way. That people who happen to live on the continent are one homogenous mass who haven’t endured milennia of war and bloodshed, with widespread cultural, ethnic and population differences.
The EU speaks the opinions of a tiny elite, not the populations it claims to represent. To say from these people’s views you can glean the mindset of a whole continent is idiotic[/quote]
Maybe you should look up the word typical. I don’t think you know what it means.[/quote]
But typical is irrelevant here because there is no general european mentality. Is there an ‘african’ mentality? An ‘Asian’ mentality? No there isn’t because they are huge landmasses comprising billions of people with different cultures ethnicities and religions. Europeans are the same.[/quote]
no it isn’t it was part of the statement, which he is implying the most probable mindset. Probability can be applied to populations, open any stat book.
Just had the pleasure of spending the last 5 days with Dr Robert Verkerk, the lead scientist fighting the good fight at ANH-Europe. Be advised Americans because this hostile approach being taken in the EU is the ultimate framework for the rest of the world. The TGA in Australia, Health Canada, and the FDA/FTC are working to harmonize to similar standards which will ensure that you, the consumer, have no idea what these products do and are less empowered to use natural remedies. Fortunately as Americans we have it in our blood to say we aren’t gonna take this shit any more but how long and how far we take it until we finally revolt is the question.
This EU directive will decimate the TCM and Ayurveda approaches, which is for sure an agenda driven by the pharma boys. In an interesting twist of fate some of the conglomerates that have fought to impose these kinds of stringent standards to lessen competition are feeling their own medicine. NONE of the probiotic claims have been approved in the first pass. Some even with 11 or more human trials still weren’t sufficient evidence of their benefit!
These regulations are a double edged sword, we do need to ensure products contain what they say and are safe and free of contaminents. But at the same time can be taken to far.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
These regulations are a double edged sword, we do need to ensure products contain what they say and are safe and free of contaminents. But at the same time can be taken to far. [/quote]
The cGMP and ISO 9000 regulations deal with your two concerns adequately if not overkill. What you are allowed to SAY about the product and what the ingredients do is an entirely different issue.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
These regulations are a double edged sword, we do need to ensure products contain what they say and are safe and free of contaminents. But at the same time can be taken to far. [/quote]
The cGMP and ISO 9000 regulations deal with your two concerns adequately if not overkill. What you are allowed to SAY about the product and what the ingredients do is an entirely different issue.[/quote]
Yes, but who ensures compliance to the cGXPs, in the US the FDA.
Not only that GMP’s do nothing to show efficacy of said product, gives no clinical support, doesn’t look at long term effcts.
Which yes everything is a risk, but the general population doesnot have sufficient chemical/biocemical knowledge to understand the risk/benefit, hell most doctors don’t.
Like I was trying to say, it is a tough subject and all subjective. How much regulation is enough, is it needed.
Without proper applications you can have doctors prescribing thoroughly destructive antipsychotics to young children for which it was never intended and shouldn’t be used. Oh wait that has happened even with some of these regulations in place.
Theoretically it would be great to relieve some of the regulations (and decrease cost), but in reality it is impractical,
what you ask for is nice in thought but when we understand that the majority of currently prescribed drugs don’t have these measures (as you pointed out) then we see that unless govt. paid for these trials and studies no companies could fund this prior to market entry and certainly not until a good deal of success had been reached in the market.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think that all these substances should be researched and all the info should be available , but all should be legal including pharmaceuticals . Maybe with the exception of antibiotics , because abuse of those could affect the health of others directly.[/quote]
Excellent post.[/quote]
thanks
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think that all these substances should be researched and all the info should be available , but all should be legal including pharmaceuticals . Maybe with the exception of antibiotics , because abuse of those could affect the health of others directly.[/quote]
Excellent post.[/quote]
thanks [/quote]
You’re making sense man. Now if I could just get you to vote republican this November
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think that all these substances should be researched and all the info should be available , but all should be legal including pharmaceuticals . Maybe with the exception of antibiotics , because abuse of those could affect the health of others directly.[/quote]
Excellent post.[/quote]
thanks [/quote]
You’re making sense man. Now if I could just get you to vote republican this November
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I am a registered Independent , I voted in AZ Republican Primary , I will most likely not vote for any Republicans in the Mid terms . I may vote for Brewer if it looks like she could lose . Other wise I will probably vote libertarian or green. I will vote Harry Mitchell , but I will not vote for any other Dems either.
I spent 2 or three hours researching the Rep. primaries and Money won every election not one of the best candidates
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
and Money won every election not one of the best candidates [/quote]
Wow, now there’s the second thing that we agree on. It seems the more information that a candidate can get out the more people eat it up. Granted some of this is the truth, but many times it is mixed with gross exaggerations.