I was wondering which drug people think is stronger on a milligram-milligram basis. My first cycle was 750 mg Test E per week, and I want to plan my second cycle. Right now I have Test E, Equipoise, and primo depot. Any thoughts on dosages if I want to use Equipoise instead of some Test E?
i would say 400 of TE and EQ should be similar to 750mg test, maybe 500mg test. there is no way eq is equal to test on a mg/mg basis. it has similar anabolic properties, but about half the androgenic strength and half the estrogen conversion.
most often people in your case would use the eq due its own benefits which include red blood cell increase, less sides, and appetite increases.
i would expect less water retention from such a cycle, and thus a higher percentage of retained gains (though this is really just an illusion due to water retention on cycle).
for the primo, think of it as an anabolic with very weak androgenic effects. once again, if you feel that 500mg of test is enough for the androgenic effects you want, but you want to increase the anabolic side, this is where primo comes in.
[quote]ubl0 wrote:
i would say 400 of TE and EQ should be similar to 750mg test, maybe 500mg test. there is no way eq is equal to test on a mg/mg basis. it has similar anabolic properties, but about half the androgenic strength and half the estrogen conversion.
most often people in your case would use the eq due its own benefits which include red blood cell increase, less sides, and appetite increases.
i would expect less water retention from such a cycle, and thus a higher percentage of retained gains (though this is really just an illusion due to water retention on cycle).
for the primo, think of it as an anabolic with very weak androgenic effects. once again, if you feel that 500mg of test is enough for the androgenic effects you want, but you want to increase the anabolic side, this is where primo comes in.[/quote]
I agree 100%. I haven’t done test yet but I will for sure. You just don’t get that 3 dimensional mass from anything other than testo. I have already planned to stack test e and eq for my next cycle.
So if I use 600 mg/week of Equipoise, would it be of any benefit to also use Test E 250 mg/week for libido/some estrogenic activity?
the eq has half the estrogenic activity of test, so you will not have to worry about making sure you have that. in fact if you are sensitive, you have to worry about the opposite.
i think you should fill out your profile so we can give you better advice. i mean, if you are h-train’s size, then it is a good dose (though if i were using test, i would do at least 300-400mg/wk), however, if you are around 180, i would say 600mg eq is a lot.
running eq alone should not result in loss of libido. mine usually goes up (not like with test, but hey its test and the libido is high to begin with). my brother and friend both have reported that eq increases their aggressiveness which is interesting, because i am chill when on.
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It’s pretty safe to assume that EQ is half as; Estrogenic, Androgenic and Muscle gains than test.
So according to EQ’s profile 1000mg of EQ would convert to as much estrogen as 500mg Test, cause as much Androgenic activity (like aggression) as 500mg test and as much muscle gain as 500mg of test. Have not tried EQ myself as I have not seen much of a benefit that it would offer over what I already use, someday though?
[quote]TheBeat wrote:
It’s pretty safe to assume that EQ is half as; Estrogenic, Androgenic and Muscle gains than test.
So according to EQ’s profile 1000mg of EQ would convert to as much estrogen as 500mg Test, cause as much Androgenic activity (like aggression) as 500mg test and as much muscle gain as 500mg of test. Have not tried EQ myself as I have not seen much of a benefit that it would offer over what I already use, someday though?[/quote]
What I’ve noticed on EQ is very clean gains with no side effects to speak of, a greatly increased appetite, great strength increase, and painless injections. I will incorporate it in every stack I do from now on if feasible.
Considering you’ve already on 750mg’s a week of TestE. You’ll need to use pretty damn high doses of straight EQ or even a combo to meet or exceed those results.
[quote]sapasion wrote:
Considering you’ve already on 750mg’s a week of TestE. You’ll need to use pretty damn high doses of straight EQ or even a combo to meet or exceed those results.[/quote]
Definitely, what he said. If you already did 750mg of test e and had good results there is no way in hell I would run EQ alone, mix em.
Great advice guys, thank you. I am just planning ahead at this point, and am very displeased with the water gain that I gained on Test E. In fact, it is two and a half months since I stopped my cycle and I have only lost two lbs. I gained 26, unfortunately I gained a lot of fat, but I also feel that I have not been able to shed the water yet.
Any ideas? My next cycle won’t happen until the end of this year, possibly the beginning of 2008. I am bit worried about not losing the water though since my blood pressure is still a little high.
newbeast you should probably reevaluate your diet as the ONE time I experienced these side on the level you are talking was when I thought my diet was the shit and actually…well it was just shit. Im in my 5th week of 750mg Test E with a high protein low carb diet (400g protein ed) 400mg EQ my results have been profound.
I totally agree with t-mia. Change up your diet. Run a low dose of a dex with your test and life is good.