Hey Kike-
Don’t believe everything that you read.
Muscle Media was one of the biggest hypocritical magagzines on the planet. Dan D was a maniac and unstable at best. He was extreme in nature. A lot folks did not like what he had to say most of the time. Try taking 120-140mcg of Clen like old Danny boy used to tell everyone to take. Talk about self-induced Parkinson’s disease.
Lasix (Furosemide)
Adverse/Side Effects:
Postural hypotension, dizziness with excessive diuresis, acute hypotensive episodes, CIRCULATORY COLLAPSE!,
Fluid and Electrolyte embalances: hypovolemia, dehydration, hyponatremia, hypokalemia, hypochloremia, metabolic alkalosis, hypomagnesemia, hypocalcemia (tetany)
Nausea, vomiting, oral and gastric burning, anorexia, diarrhea, constipation, abdominal cramping, acute pancreatitis, jaundice
allergic interstitial nephritits, IRREVERSIBLE RENAL FAILURE!, urinary frequency.
Ototoxicity: tinnitus, vertigo, feeling of fullness in ears, hearing loss, …
This is one drug definitely not to mess with unless monitored by a physician!
P-22
WOW! Lasix sounds great, gimme some!
Mmmmmmm hyponatremia…
For me I would go primo for all the reasons listed by everyone else but, mainly because I love food and drug induced hunger is not something I need when cutting on or not. Now before reading cycle understand this would be for me. I have never touched aas and only did a 3 days worth of M1T a few months back because I was dumb enough to dry that out at the same time of getting off of the ephedra i had been only daily for the 3months prior. With the excuses out of the way proceed to rip apart my virgin cutting cycle and tell me what you think.
250 test w
50mg tren eod
250 week primo
only 3-4 weeks then start HCG, nolva, and hot-rox.
My version of shredded.
DA
Dark Angel-
I would say use 300-400mg/wk of Primo.
The Tren is adequate but most of the vets prefer 75-80mgs/day or eod.
The Test is OK but most of the vets are going to say 500-750mg/wk.
Honestly, I would extend this cycle to 8 weeks. The tren will kick in around the end of week 1 or so, the Test and primo around week 3 or 4. You need more time if you are even going to make this cycle worth your while. Make sure that you have the necessary ancillary drugs throught this cycle and post cycle.
The Scorp
nah bro you have me wrong I’m not doing this cycle or anything besides some Mag-10 or M1T and other legal supps anytime soon. I was just seeing if you guys thought I could put together a decent cycle for my self so in a few years probably I will have something to look back to.
But I do thank you for the reply.
In terms of using half a gram I really don’t think for my first few cycles I will need that much since I will be using other aas as well.
I would like to keep the cycle short so I can minimize shut down.
Do you guys think it would help out if I started out with a front load of 500mg of propionate. The rest of the time keeping the injections down to 200mg pro every 3 days till mid way through the 4th week. I think tren would be good for me at what I had it before and I could go with what you said and take the primo upto 300mg weekly; maybe if I put a pin with 400mg or so of primo in the butt a few days before the front load of test I could get most of my levels up pretty quickly and be able to keep the cycle short.
Well thank again and sorry if you think I am stealing your thread.
DA
That 500mg propionate is going to be priceless. No! I would not recommend that. That would be about 415mg of free test peaking in 24-36hrs and then crappin’ out. That front load really does not make sense to me unless you are going to keep that same mg amount going every 2-3 days. However, you will be one puffy bitch if you do not use arimidex. Nolva by itself will not contain the water bloat to a great degree with that Prop dose. I would just wait until you have more time in the future to do a cycle that makes more sense. Be ptient and do it right. Doing Tren for just 2 weeks is going to knock the hell out of your HTPA. Tren is very suppressive. Think about it, sleep on it, rethink it and wait a little while longer.
The 500mg/wk Test that I am referring to is Test Enanthate not Propionate.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Keep on thinking up better cycles!
I like primo vs any other anabolic for its low sides. Again, this is a subjective call as you’ve noticed. I like primo/test prop and tren not to mention winny. As far as going low on the test, (250mgs per week), I believe it has to do with your body. If you have an extremely fast metabolism, 500mgs of test wouldn’t hurt, however I tend to agree that if you have a slower metabolism 250mgs of test would do the trick. I find though, that 500mgs of primo would be the minimum I’d use. Anything less for a somewhat experienced user would not in my view be as effective.
what is hyponatremia, btw?
P-22?
I have a fast as hell metabolism and all I need is 250mg/wk of Test E to get the job done. I could do more but I do not need it. It really boils down to how well your receptor sites are working and how that shot of Test is dipsersing inside of your body. How many calories you burn at rest, etc. really has nothing to do with the equation.
scorp you are starting to confuse me here. You told me that most would suggest between 500mg-750mg a week for test when I said I was only going to do 250mg. Yet in another thread you said your up coming cycle was going to include only 250mg a week yourself. Is this because I wanted to keep my cycle short and it would not give it enough time to get the job done or is it because of the ester I chose; could you be able to keep your dose low because you are using gh. Please help a rookie out here and explain.
DA
Scorp,I was talking more in terms of water retention. I tend to have a fast metabolism and do not hold too much water, even with heavier use of test. Not so much in terms of calories, etc.
P22, you know I respect you and I even asked for your advice, but c’mon man, we could also read the warning labels on test and everything else we take… you know what I mean.
Scorp, this Mexican gear ISN’T fake. I know because well first of all I’m Mexican and I’ve lived there for almost all my life and I know what I’m talking about 'cause also I’ve tried it. Perhaps the Mexican gear that you buy over here is bogus but not over there. If you haven’t tried it maybe you should… In mexico just like in the US the pharmaceutical companies are legit businesses and so are pharmacies and I’m not talking about the shit holes in Tijuana in which everybody knows that Americans go there to buy gear so they take advantage and to make an extra buck they might give you something fake. But you should visit Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey, etc, and see for yourself.
Bottom line, I know of no one who has died from Lasix but I do know people who have taken it with good results.
Scorp, unfortunately what i know about Duchaine is what I’ve read and well I couldn’t tell you much about his personality, but what I know is that a lot of the stuff he talked about works. Now, you say a lot of shit about him and his personality, where diud you read this; you shouldn’t believe everything you read! Like I said I never met him, did you?
Peace.
k.
kike, look at f*cking Paul Dillett. He screwed around with lasix and ended up Freezing on stage at the olympia; he could not even move and had to be taken straight to the hospital.
why would take such an absolutely stupid risk with lasix is beyond me, but try it and tell us how it works.
Archaic: ah good ol fluid and electrolytes 101:
Hypo = not enough
hyper= too much
na = periodic symbol for salt (sodium)
k = periodic symbol for potasium
so you have:
hyponatremia
hypernatremia
hypokalemia
hyperkalemia
I won’t go to far into the implications of this, but just to say a little, salt and potasium play such a integral part in the body. They are responsible for such things as action potentials - cellular nervous stimulation, fluid balance and fluid shifting, and acid - base buffering. A shift in electrolyte balance can be deadly, and probably explains Paul Dillett’s situation.
Kike- Not all drugs are equally dangerous. For example, you could inject 20 cc of gear (sustenon for example) in one sitting and it would not kill you. If you swallowed a whole bottle of dbol, well you might have some acute liver problems, but I doubt you would die.
Certain drugs can kill you with just one dose. They are not to be taken lightly: In the bodybuilding world, these are such drugs as insulin and diuretics (lasix being one of them). I have university training and I still wouldn’t risk using these drugs. P-22
P22, I agree with you on the insulin! I do not have the training you have but my point was that I haven’t seen any one die or go to the hospital from it. I think insulin is way more dangerous, what’s your opinion.
Archaic, I don’t if what happened to Paul Dillet was due to the diuretic, then again it might have been that. How many times have we seen that happen though? Any way I was just recommending the oral kind and obviously in not such scary amounts… Remember Andreas Munzer? Do we know what killed him?
P22, your words are always wisdom master… hahaha.
Peace.
k.
Dearest KikeMeister-
It is a well known fact that some Mexican Pharmacies have made some real shit and some bad shit. What country hasn’t? Sure you are going to get some good and I would say that the Quality Vet brand is by the best to come out of Mexico. Excuse me for not being more precise about which one that I thought was good. When I refer to diuretics I am referring to the injection form, not the tablets. Chances are you are getting the kind of results that you could get from a over the counter diuretic with the tablet diuretic that you are taking. My point to you is to be very, very careful when or if you decide to take injection form diuretics. To me the RISK is not worth the RESULT.
As far as Dan Duchaine is concerned, yes he made a few valid points with some of his theories, however, most of his theories were over the top and were viewed by many in the field as controversial. He based a lot of his decisions on generalizing situations which cannot transfer to every man or woman. One cannot generalize AAS useage for everyone. My biggest problem with Dan Duchaine is that he had no formal education in science or biology. Plus, he failed miserably as a competitive BB. If anyone reads enough about the ins and outs of steroids they will get a pretty good theory of how they exert their effects within the body. But would you not want to get advice from someone who is college educated in their field of expertise?
What works for one does not work for another. I think that is a well known fact in this forum. Everybody here has their own idea of what works and what does not work for them.
Kike- No! I do not believe everything that I read especially when it comes to human science and human biology.
Kike- Yes! I did meet Dan Duchaine years ago at a seminar at Strong and Shapely Gym in San Diego,California(this is post prison time of course). I listened to everything he had to say about AAS compounds. He was arrogant, witty, and self-serving. Personally, I walked away shaking my head and not taking with me any valuable info. It was just a lot of rehash of info that has already beeh talked about,chewed up and spit out. If you think that he is a genius then more power to you. I just do not think so.
P.S. Do not take my replies so personally Bro. Sarcasm is my middle name. Viva Mexico!!!
The Scorp
Hello Dark Angel-
My First quote-
Dark Angel-
I would say use 300-400mg/wk of Primo.
The Tren is adequate but most of the vets prefer 75-80mgs/day or eod.
The Test is OK but most of the vets are going to say 500-750mg/wk.
I am referring to the other vets in the forum. I am not referring to myself when I said that DA. I siad that your Test looked fine to me.
Thanks-
The Scorp
Scorp:
thanks for the reply and clearing that up for me. So then I shall keep the cycle at:
Test 250mg w/1-5
Tren 50mg eod w/1-6
Primo 400mg w/1-6
Hcg 250mg twice a w/4-10
nolva 20mg ed start w6-8 10mg w/8-12
alright tell me if anything is off with this once guys. I really apriciate all the help.
DA