[quote]therajraj wrote:
You make it hard for me to quote you.
Have you ever been to a doctor, do you eat food, are you aware we put a man on the moon, do you wear glasses? All these things are science in action.
This is not my opinion, it’s a fact. [/quote]I know that. I LOVE science. LOVE IT. What is it’s foundation? BTW, I’m aware that WE, the United States put a man on the moon and WE read the first chapter of Genesis giving God the glory there minutes after doing so. WE hadn’t quite “progressed” to YOUR level yet. Canada can’t even take carer of it’s own garbage without us. (oops, hijack haven material there)
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I was talking in terms of humanity’s progress in general. But sure America put a man on the moon.
Why store trash where you live when you can pay a poor schlub to keep it on their land?
When people believe things that you don’t you deem them fools because they believe in stupid things “for no good reason”. When people don’t believe the things you do you deem them fools because they are in denial and can’t question there own beliefs. It’s kinda funny, but I’ve noticed before that you agnostic/atheists are often more viscous in your accusations of heresy than the Christians I’ve dealt with - it’s just never compared like that [/quote]
I’m not all that interested in continuing this discussion but I feel obligated to answer this.
It is foolish but doesn’t necessarily make someone a fool. Being religious doesn’t mean you walk around having no understanding of reality. You simply cease critical thinking in this very aspect of your life because the beliefs are sacred and shouldn’t be touched.
Smart people fall for stupid stuff all the time. You’re familiar with the Nigerian prince email scams? Well there was a special on 60 minutes on it where doctors, lawyers and other highly educated people sent money to these swindlers. So no, you are not a fool for falling for something foolish.
I really like Ken Miller’s work on evolution for instance and he is a Catholic.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< I really like Ken Miller’s work on evolution for instance and he is a Catholic.[/quote]You have no idea of the enormity of the import, on every level, of this statement right here. My Lord Jesus, if only the right people, who will stare at this post, could actually read it. Oh yeah. What was the intellectual foundation of science again? It seems to have gone missing from your post. [quote]therajraj wrote:<<< So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]LOL! Your belief in ANYTHING has no basis in reality. The emperor has some new clothes LOL!!!
[quote]silee wrote:<<< Epistemology is just the study of knowledge, and what is to count as a form of knowledge.[/quote]Not quite. Epistemology is the study of the source of knowledge. HOW do we know? If that’s what you meant I apologize, but the very notion of an epistemology that is specific to science is to already mis-define the word and topic of this thread. Epistemology is the quest to learn how we know anything at all, including, but not limited to science.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< I really like Ken Miller’s work on evolution for instance and he is a Catholic.[/quote]You have no idea of the enormity of the import, on every level, of this statement right here. My Lord Jesus, if only the right people, who will stare at this post, could actually read it. Oh yeah. What was the intellectual foundation of science again? It seems to have gone missing from your post.
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Lets just cut to the chase. Why don’t you just tell me the point you’re trying to get at.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.[/quote]
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.[/quote]
And you atheists, too.
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Not in modern America/Canada.
I wasn’t even referring to centuries ago, I’m talking about now.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.[/quote]
And you atheists, too.
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Not in modern America/Canada.
I wasn’t even referring to centuries ago, I’m talking about now.
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I’m talking about now. I’m talking about the general support among atheists for abortion. I’m talking about using the compulsory public school system to counter the traditional morality of families.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.[/quote]
And you atheists, too.
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Not in modern America/Canada.
I wasn’t even referring to centuries ago, I’m talking about now.
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I’m talking about now. I’m talking about the general support among atheists for abortion. I’m talking about using the public school system to counter the traditional morality of families. [/quote]
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
I know that’s your religious philosophy. That’s what I just said - only drop the sarcasm and quotations for a second. Why, in a religious discussion do you feel the need to invoke your idols of modern science against someones belief in God? [/quote]
So they that can see (hopefully) that their belief in god has no basis in reality. [/quote]
Heh, a missionary!
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Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.[/quote]
And you atheists, too.
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Not in modern America/Canada.
I wasn’t even referring to centuries ago, I’m talking about now.
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I’m talking about now. I’m talking about the general support among atheists for abortion. I’m talking about using the public school system to counter the traditional morality of families. [/quote]
“Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.”
Not that I care. Obviously, by rights, you meant mandated contraception coverage (the state walking over private associations), legal abortion (the paramount right taken away, right to life), and gay marriage (the right to be granted status above other relationships, with no critical justification).
“Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.”
Not that I care. Obviously, by rights, you meant mandated contraception coverage (the state walking over private associations), legal abortion (the paramount right taken away, right to life), and gay marriage (the right to be granted status above other relationships, with no critical justification).[/quote]While I am honored and thrilled to see Sloth in this thread, and while I have owned my previous habit of hijacking, I created Hijack Haven for the very purpose of mitigating what you two are doing right now.
“Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.”
Not that I care. Obviously, by rights, you meant mandated contraception coverage (the state walking over private associations), legal abortion (the paramount right taken away, right to life), and gay marriage (the right to be granted status above other relationships, with no critical justification).[/quote]
Don’t forget the ability to serve openly in the military.
Making hardcore pornography illegal. This is a form of free speech whether you agree with it or not.
Fighting of separation of church and state tooth and nail. I mean we should we be forced to pray in school whether we like it or not right?
How the hell are you tying catholic hospitals and contraception coverage to atheism? Last I checked Obama was a Christian.
Justification? How about this: Gay people want to get married and there is no good reason they shouldn’t be allowed.
[quote]silee wrote:<<< Epistemology is just the study of knowledge, and what is to count as a form of knowledge.[/quote]Not quite. Epistemology is the study of the source of knowledge. HOW do we know? If that’s what you meant I apologize, but the very notion of an epistemology that is specific to science is to already mis-define the word and topic of this thread. Epistemology is the quest to learn how we know anything at all, including, but not limited to science.
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Nah epistemology is the study of knowledge which isn’t looking for a source in your sense. THat to me shows me your position which is not about knowledge claims or the justification of knowledge about the natural world or about human beings, but rather its about Theology. And the study of scientific knowledge, is the proper activity of epistemology. If you want to make all the claims you do then you go to Theology.
“Sure. Christians have a habit of taking rights away from non-Christians sooooo there’s that.”
Not that I care. Obviously, by rights, you meant mandated contraception coverage (the state walking over private associations), legal abortion (the paramount right taken away, right to life), and gay marriage (the right to be granted status above other relationships, with no critical justification).[/quote]
Is your conception of Private associations a small group of like minded people?
Same sex marriage is about getting equal treatment under the law, not above the law. You are misinformed on that.
