Hi everyone,
I have a question about epistane, I read it doesn’t aromatize to estrogen, but in male, I know estrogen are produced by aromatizatio of testosterone, as epistane supress natural testosterone and doesn’t aromatize, how the body produce estrogen in this cas ? (i know a small amount are produced by testicles)
Thanks for your answers
The answer to your question, is why most people recommend using testosterone with almost every cycle. To feel good, and get better results, most need estrogen. There are a few compounds that do produce estrogen, or something similar enough (like methylated estrogen) that they can be run solo though.
DHT derivatives, I wouldn’t run solo. You can probably get away with dbol, nandralone (if high enough to get enough E2, and that’s individual if you’ll feel good), and trestalone (Ment).
I understand, so why people speak about clomid for pct when you take compounds that don’t aromatize. If i have a good understanding of the studies and your comment, with these compounds, estrogen levels will be very low, so hypothalamus detect a low estrogen level, and to balance this low level, it will stimulate the testosterone production, so why is a need for product like clomid in this case ?
And a second question, i tought first, non aromatizing coumpound are good because they don’t aromatize, so we don’t have a risk to have too much estrogen, but why people prefer to use this type of coumpound instead of other coupounds like testosterone with a serm to balance the estrogen ?
Most people assume you aren’t going to do a cycle of a compound that doesn’t aromatize by itself.
They are good to add to a compound that does aromatize into estrogen. It isn’t a good idea to run solo IMO.
Ideally, yes. But in practice, no, this doesn’t always happen. This is why PCT exists in the first place. Sometimes, people rebound from a cycle without any PCT, quickly, with no issue. Sometimes, people do a solid pct protocol and still never recover. There is a very broad range of outcomes with this stuff.
Thanks for tagging me @anon18050987 .
So, I have the benefit of having used epistane in isolation, prior to using any other steroid, AND I got blood work done 2-3 weeks after I came off of it. So, at least anecdotally, I can tell you what happened. I can’t say for sure what would have happened if I had waited more than 3 weeks, as I went on TRT at that point in my life, but I can tell you the short term effect on testosterone and estrogen.
In short, both testosterone and estrogen, 3 weeks after my epistane-only cycle, both read at a negligible level. Below the threshold that the tests could read. I think that’s a pretty big deal. You should consider epistane, particularly run on its own, to be extremely suppressive in a very short period of time. I ran it for 5 weeks at the ‘standard’ 40mg dose that was recommended at the time. I think epistane is an excellent steroid, but I would never run it by itself again.
Hope this helps!
Thank you for all your answers guys !