I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
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The bodybuilding lifestyle is a disorder. Same line of reasoning.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Yeah, guess that’s what happens when certain bishops stop enforcing doctrine and laws and start embracing modernism and forgetting our very own Canon Laws. >>[/quote] Ya know what Chris? I’ll even give ya this. I do not ever mean to imply that I believe that Catholicism wants to find a way to condone or minimize perversion by design. I do believe though that her theology and practices do in many cases make for very fertile ground for this type of thing. Unless specifically gifted by God for celibacy it is itself a perversion to forgo marriage and attempt to be holier than God.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< I wholly condemn those who have disgraced the priesthood, disgraced the Church, and abused those the victims, >>>[/quote]Ya forgot somebody here. I’ll give ya a hint. He in the beginning created the heavens and the earth. That’s a good hint Chris. Surely you remember now? Oh I know EXACTLY what you’ll say to this, but it is quite telling and quite Catholic.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
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Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion?
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
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The bodybuilding lifestyle is a disorder. Same line of reasoning. [/quote]
Body was meant to be moved, penises meant to be used.
Celibacy is entirely unnatural and also in direct violation of the Lords command to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth”, Genesis 1:27-28, and that “two shall become one flesh”, Genesis 2:24.
I am sorry, but I will not stand for this unnatural, heathen perversion.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose. [/quote]
True.
“a good many” and “some”…yes, I’m sure you are right. There is no arguing it.
Aside from that, “a good many” victims and events were never heard about. And “some,” may have settled without their stories being told, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course their stories will probably never be told, on the 50th page or otherwise.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
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Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
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The bodybuilding lifestyle is a disorder. Same line of reasoning. [/quote]
Body was meant to be moved, penises meant to be used.
Celibacy is entirely unnatural and also in direct violation of the Lords command to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth”, Genesis 1:27-28, and that “two shall become one flesh”, Genesis 2:24.
I am sorry, but I will not stand for this unnatural, heathen perversion.
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You missed my point. I’m not talking about simple exercise. I’m talking about dieting and denying oneself the food he would like to eat, that he has access to, in favor of the the ascetic broccoli and chicken breast existence many of us willingly choose. Or forcing oneself to get up two hours early and go to the gym and endure a grueling leg session despite our every “natural” urge screaming against it every step of the way. Making a lifestyle of this. Denying, or rather, mastering, the very powerful innate urges to eat for the purpose of storing up fat and to conserve energy rather than spending it unnecessarily.
We do things that are unnatural all the time that are not called disorders. Can you produce a study, any study, that indicates that celibacy results in any kind of psychological disorder, particularly one that would manifest itself in a deeper sexual perversion (which kind of makes it NOT celibacy at that point, doesn’t it?).
You get back to me with some evidence of this, because I have yet to see it. Until you show me some, I will assume your beliefs regarding this are as well grounded as those of any any religious fanatic. Just a bunch of shoot-from-the-hip emotional scapegoating you’ve dogpiled onto after every other Catholic-hater out there.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
[/quote]
The bodybuilding lifestyle is a disorder. Same line of reasoning. [/quote]
Body was meant to be moved, penises meant to be used.
Celibacy is entirely unnatural and also in direct violation of the Lords command to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth”, Genesis 1:27-28, and that “two shall become one flesh”, Genesis 2:24.
I am sorry, but I will not stand for this unnatural, heathen perversion.
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You missed my point. I’m not talking about simple exercise. I’m talking about dieting and denying oneself the food he would like to eat, that he has access to, in favor of the the ascetic broccoli and chicken breast existence many of us willingly choose. Or forcing oneself to get up two hours early and go to the gym and endure a grueling leg session despite our every “natural” urge screaming against it every step of the way. Making a lifestyle of this. Denying, or rather, mastering, the very powerful innate urges to eat for the purpose of storing up fat and to conserve energy rather than spending it unnecessarily.
We do things that are unnatural all the time that are not called disorders. Can you produce a study, any study, that indicates that celibacy results in any kind of psychological disorder, particularly one that would manifest itself in a deeper sexual perversion (which kind of makes it NOT celibacy at that point, doesn’t it?).
You get back to me with some evidence of this, because I have yet to see it. Until you show me some, I will assume your beliefs regarding this are as well grounded as those of any any religious fanatic. Just a bunch of shoot-from-the-hip emotional scapegoating you’ve dogpiled onto after every other Catholic-hater out there.
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You obviously do not get it, this plain rejection of the Lords commands is sinful in and of itself.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose. [/quote]
True.
“a good many” and “some”…yes, I’m sure you are right. There is no arguing it.
Aside from that, “a good many” victims and events were never heard about. And “some,” may have settled without their stories being told, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course their stories will probably never be told, on the 50th page or otherwise.
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I don’t disagree that one is to many and the guilty should be tied to a tree in a swap to be eaten by the critters slowly.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
[/quote]
Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Yeah, guess that’s what happens when certain bishops stop enforcing doctrine and laws and start embracing modernism and forgetting our very own Canon Laws. >>[/quote] Ya know what Chris? I’ll even give ya this. I do not ever mean to imply that I believe that Catholicism wants to find a way to condone or minimize perversion by design. I do believe though that her theology and practices do in many cases make for very fertile ground for this type of thing. Unless specifically gifted by God for celibacy it is itself a perversion to forgo marriage and attempt to be holier than God.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< I wholly condemn those who have disgraced the priesthood, disgraced the Church, and abused those the victims, >>>[/quote]Ya forgot somebody here. I’ll give ya a hint. He in the beginning created the heavens and the earth. That’s a good hint Chris. Surely you remember now? Oh I know EXACTLY what you’ll say to this, but it is quite telling and quite Catholic.
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A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
[/quote]
Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
[/quote]
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
[/quote]
Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
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Okay, so let me get this straight, pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state. Yet, celibacy, which Paul HIMSELF practiced, is something ultimately corrupting? Here are his words,
6 Now as a concession,not a command, I say this.7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
He is encouraging the practice here, offering it as an alternative to marriage AND sexual profligacy.
And he continues:
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry.
“If they cannot,” doesn’t mean ALL should not. Where do you get that? Indeed his implication appears to be that is preferred.
I really don’t think that celibacy is linked to child molestation, you pretty much just have to be a sick fuck to do something like that. I can’t imagine the priests who did this crap wouldn’t have done it if they got laid weekly. They’d have done it anyway because they have a screw loose.
Aside from that, a good many of the accused have been acquitted over time…It’s been found that some of these accusations were leveled, now this may shock you, because of money. Of course acquittals are 50th page news. [/quote]
I started a thread about celibacy a while back asking for evidence linking celibacy to child molestation or any other sexual disorder and I don’t recall anyone being able to offer up a single piece of hard evidence for any such thing.
This, like so many other things, seems to be one of those lies that got repeated often enough. [/quote]
Life long voluntary celibacy is a disorder right there.
[/quote]
The bodybuilding lifestyle is a disorder. Same line of reasoning. [/quote]
Body was meant to be moved, penises meant to be used.
Celibacy is entirely unnatural and also in direct violation of the Lords command to “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth”, Genesis 1:27-28, and that “two shall become one flesh”, Genesis 2:24.
I am sorry, but I will not stand for this unnatural, heathen perversion.
[/quote]
You missed my point. I’m not talking about simple exercise. I’m talking about dieting and denying oneself the food he would like to eat, that he has access to, in favor of the the ascetic broccoli and chicken breast existence many of us willingly choose. Or forcing oneself to get up two hours early and go to the gym and endure a grueling leg session despite our every “natural” urge screaming against it every step of the way. Making a lifestyle of this. Denying, or rather, mastering, the very powerful innate urges to eat for the purpose of storing up fat and to conserve energy rather than spending it unnecessarily.
We do things that are unnatural all the time that are not called disorders. Can you produce a study, any study, that indicates that celibacy results in any kind of psychological disorder, particularly one that would manifest itself in a deeper sexual perversion (which kind of makes it NOT celibacy at that point, doesn’t it?).
You get back to me with some evidence of this, because I have yet to see it. Until you show me some, I will assume your beliefs regarding this are as well grounded as those of any any religious fanatic. Just a bunch of shoot-from-the-hip emotional scapegoating you’ve dogpiled onto after every other Catholic-hater out there.
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You obviously do not get it, this plain rejection of the Lords commands is sinful in and of itself. [/quote]
Find another atheist if you want to trade Bible verses over this. If you can’t address my points then I’ve made my point.
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
[/quote]
Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
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A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
[/quote]
Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
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Jesus was celibate doofus.[/quote]
Says who?[/quote]
I am with Cortes, find another atheist discuss scripture with. Life’s to short for this. Yes I have an answer, no you’ll never believe it simply because a man and a book that dramatically changed the entire course of the world has to be fake.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no one said how old the boy was, I remember at 17 she could have abused me all she wanted, I would guess the relationship got side ways some how and the boy is retaliating[/quote]
It got side ways? It started off side ways. The kid legally doesn’t have the ability to consent.
Never said it wasn’t a gift (but not necessarily all men struggle with being celibate either, just some – a lot – weren’t made to be celibate for life). The Pope even says that on visitations (this isn’t like someone visited, this is a word for investigation – where a specially trained individual goes and lives at the seminary, convent, diocese, parish, &c. – and looks into allegations and possible misbehavior) to the seminary there have been seminarians found that weren’t called to the priesthood, but where still let in to the seminary (I’m guessing he’s referring to those with SSA).
And, yes the ground is fertile for such things to happen. Among the wheat is the best place to put the weeds. The enemy attacks those who can do the most damage to them. Just like Colleges and Universities is where socialist have congregated, Catholic enemies have been trying (and sometimes succeeding at an alarming rate) to move in on the seminaries.
You do realise that most of these people that abused these children were already sexual deviants? And, open about it. That they were let in because we were supposed to be “open” and “non-judgmental” and all that heretical crap?
Looking at the John Jay report, it’s pretty clear who the culprit of the crimes are (not necessarily those who are guilty, but those who directly abused those who were underage)…homosexuals, well at least those open about their SSA. Those who were celibate for a year before seminary, and never much revealed it except to confessors and Spiritual Directors had similar rates of abuse as straight males…none because straight men don’t practice sodomy with males.
[quote]Ya forgot somebody here. I’ll give ya a hint. He in the beginning created the heavens and the earth. That’s a good hint Chris. Surely you remember now? Oh I know EXACTLY what you’ll say to this, but it is quite telling and quite Catholic.
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Yes, it is Catholic. Because a Catholic believes that Jesus is the Church and he believes that Jesus is the one High Priest, which within all those in priesthood participate in (they say there is 150k priests in the world – or something – but any real Catholic knows there is only one Priest).
So, for your sake, I’ll make abundantly clear. Not only did these “homosexuals” priests abuse children (which for that sin alone they should be hung), they disgraced the Holy Priesthood of the most High Priest, they disgraced and dragged the very Body of the Crucified Lord through the mud, which is the Church – and, they disgraced the one Fatherhood of Our Father, whom they participate in with the earthly fathers of those children whom they abused. I’m sure you glean from my statement that there is multiple sins that they committed on the whole and I don’t need to go into a detailed list of those?
A man or women not so called will warp and pervert their sexuality with no God given outlet. No good thing can come of this situation and in all seriousness I don’t see how it can be denied that unnaturally suppressing one of the most powerful divinely designed human drives leads to sinful, perverse actions. This is made so blindingly clear by Paul in the 7th Chapter of his first to the Corinthians that the existence of even a discussion in that regard is truly disturbing.
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Okay, Tirib, your prejudices are beginning to show. Are you saying, then, that teens and unmarried men who choose to remain celibate until marriage are on a road to sin and perversion? [/quote]Of course not. Pre-marital purity is a wholly natural and divinely instituted state wherein God will provide the proper anointing for it’s fulfillment. I really also believe that modern society has perverted God’s intention by not marrying young and startinmg godly families. Actually pretty much EVERYTHING that modern man, especially western man does is designed to pervert God’s design for sex and the family. This site is a prime example.
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