[quote]vroom wrote:
The real issue is who makes the decisions as to what you CAN buy. What you ACTUALLY buy is a totally different story…[/quote]
100% correct. I do not need the government or anyone to tell me what I may buy, use, wear, do, or anything of the like. I should be free to make my own decisions and live my life the way I choose to. This was fought for and died for by all of our ancestors here in the US.
If our founding fathers were to rise from the dead and see what they fought, lived, bled and died for has become, they would disown us.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
vroom wrote:
The real issue is who makes the decisions as to what you CAN buy. What you ACTUALLY buy is a totally different story…
100% correct. I do not need the government or anyone to tell me what I may buy, use, wear, do, or anything of the like. I should be free to make my own decisions and live my life the way I choose to. This was fought for and died for by all of our ancestors here in the US.
If our founding fathers were to rise from the dead and see what they fought, lived, bled and died for has become, they would disown us.
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I will give you props TDC and say you were right that we may lose our rights faster than I thought we would. I guess they invented the term “snowballing” for a reason…
The real problem with America is that there’s no more revolutions, no more rebellions, everyone just has “talking debates”. As history proves, that does shit-all (however it can also achieve great things; but not in this time of age).
I think it’s time for a second revolution. Forget about taking care of other countries when we can’t even take care of ourselves. We promote freedom, liberty, democracy, etc. Yet, where is this liberty and freedom? For the rednecks out there, I do understand that we have A LOT of freedom compared to other countries.
I am thankful for that. Although, for what this country should’ve been then I would have to say we got kicked in the ass.
Ahh well, nothings perfect…except me. And T-Nation of course
I agree with this 100% America became what it is by fighting. The fighting spirit has died, and been replaced by a oddly european sit and talk it out over tea (or starbucks for us americans) spirit. If Teddy Roosevelt was still around to see the Iraq or 9-11 issues, things would be completely different.
[quote]daniel d wrote:
The real problem with America is that there’s no more revolutions, no more rebellions, everyone just has “talking debates”. As history proves, that does shit-all (however it can also achieve great things; but not in this time of age).
I think it’s time for a second revolution. Forget about taking care of other countries when we can’t even take care of ourselves. We promote freedom, liberty, democracy, etc. Yet, where is this liberty and freedom? For the rednecks out there, I do understand that we have A LOT of freedom compared to other countries.
I am thankful for that. Although, for what this country should’ve been then I would have to say we got kicked in the ass.
Ahh well, nothings perfect…except me. And T-Nation of course
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
JakeMan75 wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Luckily we’ll have a democratic president in 2008 and that will change everything. They don’t let our freedoms go away easily.
(For those who want to argue politics know that I am in fact republican)
Um, you might want to research the democratic candidates before you make that statement. Joe Biden has been wanting to ban supplements (specifically bodybuilding supplements) for years.
Jake
What part of I’m a republican did you not understand? Why would I research democratic candidates?[/quote]
Uh, that might possibly be the dumbest statment I’ve ever read. (I would explain why, but I don’t think it would do any good.) I’m now less intelligent for having read what you just said. I must leave this convesation now, for the sake of my brain cells are at stake. Goodbye.
[quote]daniel d wrote:
The real problem with America is that there’s no more revolutions, no more rebellions, everyone just has “talking debates”. As history proves, that does shit-all (however it can also achieve great things; but not in this time of age).
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Revolutions are extremely dangerous to the health of a democratic state. And I wonder who you think would rule in such a case…
In times of crisis, republics such as ours ought to generate charismatic leaders who are able, for a time, to innovate and reform the system bloodlessly.
“Sitting down and talking” isn’t and shouldn’t be the way that rapid change is made. Thank heavens for that. Rapid change should happen only in spurts, and it carries risks. Just look at FDR’s legacy.
[quote]JakeMan75 wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
JakeMan75 wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Luckily we’ll have a democratic president in 2008 and that will change everything. They don’t let our freedoms go away easily.
(For those who want to argue politics know that I am in fact republican)
Um, you might want to research the democratic candidates before you make that statement. Joe Biden has been wanting to ban supplements (specifically bodybuilding supplements) for years.
Jake
What part of I’m a republican did you not understand? Why would I research democratic candidates?
Uh, that might possibly be the dumbest statment I’ve ever read. (I would explain why, but I don’t think it would do any good.) I’m now less intelligent for having read what you just said. I must leave this convesation now, for the sake of my brain cells are at stake. Goodbye.
Jake
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I can see why you said that. One would think to be well-rounded in their political mindset they would not just care about people in their own party. The difference is I don’t feel I need a working knowledge of every single candidate until it comes time to vote- which is a long ways away. Can you tell me you have done research and know everything about every candidate regardless of their party affiliation- including all of the independents. If you can- great.
I really don’t care much about politics and actually rarely even vote. I made the first statement above as a joke and didn’t really intend to discuss politics. There are far better things to discuss.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
<<< Just look at FDR’s legacy.[/quote]
Now ya had to go n do that didn’t ya? Right when I was enjoying my evening and the Wings go to a power play. What an unmitigated, grotesque economic, social and cultural abomination that is.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
vroom wrote:
The real issue is who makes the decisions as to what you CAN buy. What you ACTUALLY buy is a totally different story…
100% correct. I do not need the government or anyone to tell me what I may buy, use, wear, do, or anything of the like. I should be free to make my own decisions and live my life the way I choose to. This was fought for and died for by all of our ancestors here in the US.
You’re right Trainerin DC. The government doesn’t have such a great track record. I feel I’m smart enough to decide for myself what is good and what’s bad for me. When I’m training really hard and want a little help, say from HOT-ROX Extreme, that should be my choice if I follow the directions and don’t abuse them.
If our founding fathers were to rise from the dead and see what they fought, lived, bled and died for has become, they would disown us.
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[quote]T234 wrote:
Only things we technically can’t get in Canada is yohimbe and ephedrine but they are very easy to get your hands on anyways. [/quote]
Actually, ephedrine is legal in Canada. You can purchase it at most health food stores. All the law does is restrict the amount per tablet and bottle (ie. 8mg/tablet). PSST…If you want the dose of 25mgs, just try taking three!
On a separate note, I saw MAG-10 on the shelf of GNC the other day (for about $90/bottle).
[quote]PublickStews wrote:
Maybe so-called libertarians should grow some balls and stop voting for republicans, who support extreme anti-libertarian positions.[/quote]
[quote]ScienceGuy wrote:
You mean I won’t be able to purchase HMB?
Or Ribose-C?
Or even GNC Ultimate Thermo Pump!!!
What about the Dyanabol I buy from the back of magazines?
How dare they ban scam products with mystery ingredients made by fly-by-night companies! The audacity of our government!
Good thing I stocked up on all those gyno inducing pro-hormones.
Good thing the ‘next creatine’ came out in time. I was gonna try it but my arms are so big from the HMB that I can’t reach back and get my wallet.
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There are a lot of people getting scammed in this market. We need more testing to find out what really works and what doesn’t.
The current system sucks but I am afraid the the future will not be any better.
[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
T234 wrote:
Only things we technically can’t get in Canada is yohimbe and ephedrine but they are very easy to get your hands on anyways.
Actually, ephedrine is legal in Canada. You can purchase it at most health food stores. All the law does is restrict the amount per tablet and bottle (ie. 8mg/tablet). PSST…If you want the dose of 25mgs, just try taking three!
On a separate note, I saw MAG-10 on the shelf of GNC the other day (for about $90/bottle).[/quote]
That’s right, I have no problem buying ephedrine. It’s just GNC that doesn’t sell it. I wonder where the original poster got the idea that the situation is bad in Canada and Europe. I can’t speak for Europe, but Canada is no worse off than the States. Maybe we have less varieties of Super-Duper Pump, I don’t know.
