The image of gay Navy Seals prancing about on the beach…retch…retch…
I guess if they don’t flaunt it, it’ll be alright…until some 19 year old kid calls home and says how his berth mate showed him ‘a different way of living’.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I was encouraged by the results of the military study on attitudes toward gay soldiers. The large majority have had the same experience as PB Andy…despite all the doomsday predictions, most soldiers don’t care whether or not the person serving next to them is gay or straight.
It gives me some hope. It’s one thing to get support from Hollywood, but when the military stands behind equal rights for gays, real progress has been made.[/quote]
If I remember correctly the results of the study stated that 70% of all respondents said they had no issue with it. But 60% of Marine Corps and Army comabt unit respondents did have an issue with the repeal. So over all the majority of the military respondents did not have an issue with the repeal but a solid of the majority of those who will be doing the fighting did have an issue.
I doubt anyone has done any looking into the reasons for the variance.
[quote]firespinner93 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]firespinner93 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Here here.
Now, then, what about the issues of sexual harrassment and improper fraternization? [/quote]
Oh, yes, because ONLY the gays are capable of that. /extreme biting sarcasm[/quote]
Please dont, for a second, try to even insinuate I’m homophobic. Few people on these boards are as pro gay as I am (forlife included :P)
However, it does open doors for certain issues which should be reasonably addressed.
If I, as a guy, were allowed to shower with the female soldiers, should they have the option to not shower with me, if they were uncomfortable with it? [/quote]
No. Everyone needs to get the fuck over it. If a guy has to administer first aid for a bullet wound I took to the chest, he might see my tits then, too. Nudity does not equal sexuality.
What’s proper in the shower? Uh, lather, rinse, repeat, and that’s about it.
Then they need to learn to grow up and handle their business lives separately from their personal lives. If they aren’t mature enough to handle that, they’re not mature enough to handle a rifle, either.
There are already gays in the military. There are already gays taking communal showers with straights. They are already living together. Gay people are not sexually deviant in any larger percentage than straight people are. Gays are not looking for any excuse out there to ogle or feel up a straight person. Homophobia and stereotypes about gays are the problem, not gay people.
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So you’d be okay with combining male and female Living quarters and bathroom facilities?
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
I was encouraged by the results of the military study on attitudes toward gay soldiers. The large majority have had the same experience as PB Andy…despite all the doomsday predictions, most soldiers don’t care whether or not the person serving next to them is gay or straight.
It gives me some hope. It’s one thing to get support from Hollywood, but when the military stands behind equal rights for gays, real progress has been made.[/quote]
If I remember correctly the results of the study stated that 70% of all respondents said they had no issue with it. But 60% of Marine Corps and Army comabt unit respondents did have an issue with the repeal. So over all the majority of the military respondents did not have an issue with the repeal but a solid of the majority of those who will be doing the fighting did have an issue.
I doubt anyone has done any looking into the reasons for the variance. [/quote]
because it is different being in an officer position, or having to live it out.
I have a question, so do females and males bunk together on the front-lines, do they share, showers or latrines? so then how do you handle openly gay men, who being generous probably make up less than 5% of that population, being opposed by more than half of their fellow soldiers.
I would go so far as to say I know a number of actual combatants that said they would leave if it were repealed. So we’ll see how serious they were.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]firespinner93 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]firespinner93 wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Here here.
Now, then, what about the issues of sexual harrassment and improper fraternization? [/quote]
Oh, yes, because ONLY the gays are capable of that. /extreme biting sarcasm[/quote]
Please dont, for a second, try to even insinuate I’m homophobic. Few people on these boards are as pro gay as I am (forlife included :P)
However, it does open doors for certain issues which should be reasonably addressed.
If I, as a guy, were allowed to shower with the female soldiers, should they have the option to not shower with me, if they were uncomfortable with it? [/quote]
No. Everyone needs to get the fuck over it. If a guy has to administer first aid for a bullet wound I took to the chest, he might see my tits then, too. Nudity does not equal sexuality.
What’s proper in the shower? Uh, lather, rinse, repeat, and that’s about it.
Then they need to learn to grow up and handle their business lives separately from their personal lives. If they aren’t mature enough to handle that, they’re not mature enough to handle a rifle, either.
There are already gays in the military. There are already gays taking communal showers with straights. They are already living together. Gay people are not sexually deviant in any larger percentage than straight people are. Gays are not looking for any excuse out there to ogle or feel up a straight person. Homophobia and stereotypes about gays are the problem, not gay people.
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So you’d be okay with combining male and female Living quarters and bathroom facilities?[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]firespinner93 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So you’d be okay with combining male and female Living quarters and bathroom facilities?[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]
Interesting.
This is good news.
While I think ending this policy is good. I donâ??t think itâ??s an answer. While gays should be able to be who they are and fight for their country, so should people uncomfortable with situations this will create.
If per chance I wouldnâ??t want to shower with a gay man in the room or bunk with one, I should still be able to serve my country too, right?
Additionally, if homosexuality is now an acceptable topic for people serving in the military itâ??s got to be acceptable from all sides. If they are allowing people to come out in support of being homosexual, you must also allow people to express their beliefs on the subject even if they disagree with it.
Like I said, ending the policy is good, banning gays is wrong. But some things still need to be addressed. I donâ??t know what the answer is.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
I was encouraged by the results of the military study on attitudes toward gay soldiers. The large majority have had the same experience as PB Andy…despite all the doomsday predictions, most soldiers don’t care whether or not the person serving next to them is gay or straight.
It gives me some hope. It’s one thing to get support from Hollywood, but when the military stands behind equal rights for gays, real progress has been made.[/quote]
If I remember correctly the results of the study stated that 70% of all respondents said they had no issue with it. But 60% of Marine Corps and Army comabt unit respondents did have an issue with the repeal. So over all the majority of the military respondents did not have an issue with the repeal but a solid of the majority of those who will be doing the fighting did have an issue.
I doubt anyone has done any looking into the reasons for the variance. [/quote]
I found it interesting that Marines were most likely to oppose repeal of DADT, while Navy were most in favor. Maybe Headhunter is on to something 
I have nothing against the gays and lesbo’s, I served for six years and knew some gay military that’s fine and dandy but in my opinion it does present a problem. They already serve why do they want to serve openly in my opinion it only brings more attention to what can turn into a bad situation.
Like I said I worked in the gayest starbucks in the world and forlife since you live in Dallas Ive been to Oak Lawn many of times with my gay co-workers along with my lady of course and I would always get advances from gay dudes. But this does present problems if I knew one my battle buddies was gay I would not want to be in the same small tent with him. There where times in Iraq where we slept in undies cause it was so hot. Also Sodomy is against the UCMJ, will they prosecute the gays for that?
In my opinion this is a gateway towards the legalization towards gay marriage.
Male and female soldiers are not allowed to hook up and will get in trouble if they are caught so I don’t understand why everyone thinks that suddenly if gay men can serve openly they are going to start trying to hit on straight men. It’s still not allowed. If a gay man makes an inappropriate pass at you in the shower snitch and he will get in trouble - same as if a female solider can tell a superior if a male solider makes an inappropriate pass at her.
I have tons of gay male friends and all I can say to all they scared straight men out there is THEY DON’T WANT YOU! They want OTHER gay men!
[quote]jre67t wrote:
I have nothing against the gays and lesbo’s, I served for six years and knew some gay military that’s fine and dandy but in my opinion it does present a problem. They already serve why do they want to serve openly in my opinion it only brings more attention to what can turn into a bad situation.
Like I said I worked in the gayest starbucks in the world and forlife since you live in Dallas Ive been to Oak Lawn many of times with my gay co-workers along with my lady of course and I would always get advances from gay dudes. But this does present problems if I knew one my battle buddies was gay I would not want to be in the same small tent with him. There where times in Iraq where we slept in undies cause it was so hot. Also Sodomy is against the UCMJ, will they prosecute the gays for that?
In my opinion this is a gateway towards the legalization towards gay marriage.[/quote]
Woah.
They can kill and die for their country but they cannot have the buttsecks?
I am intrigued.
Who monitors this and how is this done in a totally non gay fashion?
[quote]AllieD wrote:
Male and female soldiers are not allowed to hook up and will get in trouble if they are caught so I don’t understand why everyone thinks that suddenly if gay men can serve openly they are going to start trying to hit on straight men. It’s still not allowed. If a gay man makes an inappropriate pass at you in the shower snitch and he will get in trouble - same as if a female solider can tell a superior if a male solider makes an inappropriate pass at her.
I have tons of gay male friends and all I can say to all they scared straight men out there is THEY DON’T WANT YOU! They want OTHER gay men! [/quote]
Um…talk for yourself. I hear all the time at my job about gay men talking about other men that aren’t actually gay. Your last statement is incorrect.
That is like saying because I’m a heterosexual male, I don’t find lesbians attractive. Are they a woman? Are they attractive? They are attractive.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]AllieD wrote:
Male and female soldiers are not allowed to hook up and will get in trouble if they are caught so I don’t understand why everyone thinks that suddenly if gay men can serve openly they are going to start trying to hit on straight men. It’s still not allowed. If a gay man makes an inappropriate pass at you in the shower snitch and he will get in trouble - same as if a female solider can tell a superior if a male solider makes an inappropriate pass at her.
I have tons of gay male friends and all I can say to all they scared straight men out there is THEY DON’T WANT YOU! They want OTHER gay men! [/quote]
Um…talk for yourself. I hear all the time at my job about gay men talking about other men that aren’t actually gay. Your last statement is incorrect.
That is like saying because I’m a heterosexual male, I don’t find lesbians attractive. Are they a woman? Are they attractive? They are attractive. [/quote]
Sure you may find them attractive but its prettttty pointless to genuinely pursue a lesbian because they don’t like dick! I have had lesbians hit on me plenty of times and I soon as I say I don’t swing that way problem is solved they don’t continue.
I heard being gay affects your ability to shoot straight.
Let me say again: I’m all for this, its awesome.
However, you still have the idiot problem. Much like the problem of setting up a peaceful protest - chances are some idiot “fighting for your side” is going to throw a rock, or bring a gun, or some other such nonsense. Likewise, there’s a chance of a homosexual going into the military and acting improperly towards other soldiers, just to get attention.
Add to that the sensationalist media who will twist “Gay soldier winks at straight soldier” into “Gay soldier molests straight soldier and Army does nothing about it”.
Then all the homophobes can take the twisted “news” and shout even louder that this was a terrible mistake and our soldiers are constantly at risk of being raped in bootcamp.
Without very clear, very strict (and very strictly enforced) guidelines for proper and improper conduct among soldiers, you just leave the door open for one idiot to ruin it and arm the homophobes.
[quote]AllieD wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]AllieD wrote:
Male and female soldiers are not allowed to hook up and will get in trouble if they are caught so I don’t understand why everyone thinks that suddenly if gay men can serve openly they are going to start trying to hit on straight men. It’s still not allowed. If a gay man makes an inappropriate pass at you in the shower snitch and he will get in trouble - same as if a female solider can tell a superior if a male solider makes an inappropriate pass at her.
I have tons of gay male friends and all I can say to all they scared straight men out there is THEY DON’T WANT YOU! They want OTHER gay men! [/quote]
Um…talk for yourself. I hear all the time at my job about gay men talking about other men that aren’t actually gay. Your last statement is incorrect.
That is like saying because I’m a heterosexual male, I don’t find lesbians attractive. Are they a woman? Are they attractive? They are attractive. [/quote]
Sure you may find them attractive but its prettttty pointless to genuinely pursue a lesbian because they don’t like dick! I have had lesbians hit on me plenty of times and I soon as I say I don’t swing that way problem is solved they don’t continue.[/quote]
Hmmm plenty of men make passes knowing I’m not interested in them. They just don’t care. I can’t imagine the dynamics change when it’s men who are the target.
But I agree with everything else you’ve posted.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]AllieD wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]AllieD wrote:
Male and female soldiers are not allowed to hook up and will get in trouble if they are caught so I don’t understand why everyone thinks that suddenly if gay men can serve openly they are going to start trying to hit on straight men. It’s still not allowed. If a gay man makes an inappropriate pass at you in the shower snitch and he will get in trouble - same as if a female solider can tell a superior if a male solider makes an inappropriate pass at her.
I have tons of gay male friends and all I can say to all they scared straight men out there is THEY DON’T WANT YOU! They want OTHER gay men! [/quote]
Um…talk for yourself. I hear all the time at my job about gay men talking about other men that aren’t actually gay. Your last statement is incorrect.
That is like saying because I’m a heterosexual male, I don’t find lesbians attractive. Are they a woman? Are they attractive? They are attractive. [/quote]
Sure you may find them attractive but its prettttty pointless to genuinely pursue a lesbian because they don’t like dick! I have had lesbians hit on me plenty of times and I soon as I say I don’t swing that way problem is solved they don’t continue.[/quote]
Hmmm plenty of men make passes knowing I’m not interested in them. They just don’t care. I can’t imagine the dynamics change when it’s men who are the target.
But I agree with everything else you’ve posted.
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Not to be nitpicky, but since when couldn’t male and female military personnel hook up? Yeah there are rules about rank, deployment status, martial status, etc… but it isn’t against the ucmj for military personnel to hook up.
I just can’t wait for the first time 72 marine recruits are showering together and one goes, “Hey guys I hope it’s cool I’m gay, see you in the rack!” or a recruit walks in on 2 openly gay recruits fuckin each other in the head.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Not to be nitpicky, but since when couldn’t male and female military personnel hook up? Yeah there are rules about rank, deployment status, martial status, etc… but it isn’t against the ucmj for military personnel to hook up.
I just can’t wait for the first time 72 marine recruits are showering together and one goes, “Hey guys I hope it’s cool I’m gay, see you in the rack!” or a recruit walks in on 2 openly gay recruits fuckin each other in the head.
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I really hope by “head” you mean bathroom.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Not to be nitpicky, but since when couldn’t male and female military personnel hook up? Yeah there are rules about rank, deployment status, martial status, etc… but it isn’t against the ucmj for military personnel to hook up.
I just can’t wait for the first time 72 marine recruits are showering together and one goes, “Hey guys I hope it’s cool I’m gay, see you in the rack!” or a recruit walks in on 2 openly gay recruits fuckin each other in the head.
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I really hope by “head” you mean bathroom.[/quote]
Yeah that’s what the bathroom is called when you’re in the military.