Me neither as it is just money spent into the economy that hasn’t been taxed back. So what civilizations were destroyed by debt and not something else?
So if money didn’t come from the government, where did it come from?
I didn’t say necessarily by money only. Think of all large empires (and the US is an empire) going back to the Greeks and Chinese dynasties of BCE. They have all fallen. Greek, Roman, Ottoman, and more, are all gone. Likely only a matter of time before the US as we know it ceases to exist.
This is from a simple search. Roman currency debasement (essentially devaluing of currency a la what one sees now with the dollar) helped drive the collapse of the empire.
I honestly don’t have a good enough grasp on macroeconomics to hold strong viewpoints. It’s why I don’t really participate in these debates.
That said, I’m a big fan of socialized healthcare. We still provide health insurance to our canuckistani employees, which is fairly common up there from what I’m told. Is that even on topic anymore? Fuck it.
I am in agreement with you there. Healthcare needs an overhaul in the USA. I don’t know if single payer is the answer but something has to give.
Who said the government can print unlimited money? It just has more fiscal space than what is typically thought.
This is questioned to really work.
The federal government spending currency has more fiscal space than it’s given credit for.
A raise in production can curb inflation. Or do what Nixon did. Institute wage and price controls. You were not permitted to raise your price on goods, otherwise you could end up in jail. Guess what? Prices stopped increasing. Weird huh? Nowadays corporations use inflation as an excuse to raise prices. Fucking thieves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdOsybbBVEU A very short video of Alan Greenspan and political thief Paul Ryan. Ryan is trying to get Greenspan to go along with his scheme to pritatize SS. This way his donors have another place to steal from the public. Ignorant fool was shot down by Greenspan. Here Greenspan admits to the production and money reality of the economy.
They were conquered. The Roman Empire did last until 1453.
Related.
I do not want civil war, but I admit seeing this amount of people realizing voting is worthless or not as effective as it once was, is satisfying.
My friends and I predict civil somewhere between 50 to 100 years from now with a subsequent territorial breakup. If not that, just deterioration to a third world country.
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Agreed.
Direct action is a far better way I believe. It is the only thing that can bring about real change. Unionization is just the beginning. I think Americans have finally been pushed too far and are waking up,
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Voting can be effective. And the voting system in US is very effective to be honest. I have started folliwing politics just a few years ago but there is a massive change at who is in power.
For Americans for example during Trump it was a heaven until Covid. He mismanaged Covid, but so did Biden. Biden is awful ot recovering from Covid. In foreign politics Trump was trying to isolate as much as possible, while Biden just gave 40 bil to Ukraine and US has become closer to Europe.
Now look at what De Santis did in Florida in contrast to federal governemnt and inspite them. If it was not for him Florida would not see such leadership.
My country government change has changed a lot as well. The corruption is significantly lower and we got rid of Gazprom and there is a plan to get rid of Lukoil. These companies are monopolizing our energy sector keeping Natural Gas prices and gas expensive. We will also get the EUR as a currency soon. Local municipalities are finally forced to screen their money and we have stuff build. Fuck the roads on my neihbouthood were rebuild, and my apartment building was renovated. My apartment got a brand new joinery from government money.
So there is a point in voting. You just need to vote well. If you see the mainstream media criticising someone for example know that that someone is doing a good job in something. I will get back to Trump again. He was not an establishment guy and he did a lot differently. Was it good, it is to you to decide.
And you must need a few more.
A change from one party to the other in the U.S. does not represent a lot of change. Economically they are incredibly similar. Only on culture issues do they tend to differ.
Someone on here posted about local politics and I agree. Locally voting can make more of a difference than putting your hope in national politics and change.
Maybe not, but he tended to protect his class. Like the majority of taxes went to them and the public got crumbs. Typical and establishment-like.
I think you should put your focus away from whom the government gives money. If you start giving the average guy government money it always goes wrong. Look at current inflation as an example. Both Trump and Biden in US and European Union were printing money and giving away and look at how it turned out for everyone with the current inflation.
Government money should go mainly to infrastructure and security and national interest or current dangers.
For example giving money to farmers and companies producing food locally at the moment should be priority due to the expected food crisis. Farming start ups should be helped as well. I would start farming if I had some cash, as I have some farming land. My wife is a farmers daughter and she has experience in this.
But in the future government spending could be elsewhere. For example military help for Ukraine is something I aprove of, although I am rooting concervative and most conservatives do not approve helping Ukraine.
And why doesn’t the hundreds of billions given to corporations cause inflation? What about the trillions spent on the wars in the mid-east? Could it be that money is not the cause of inflation?
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i agree more money should be spent on infrastructure. The money in the infrastructure bill is anemic and ought to be a lot more. More should be spent on the security of the people and less on defense.
This is more of a cash cow for the defense contractors and less about help. Was the U.S. helping Ukraine when it was behind the overthrow of a democratically elected government so it could install a puppet government? What about the people who died as a result?
Mass democracy has given us loser after loser for about 100 years.
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More like propaganda not democracy. How can one make the right choice when not given the proper information? It may be a loser for the people but a winner for the elites. It is there bidding they do. They benefit at the expense of the public.
That is EXACTLY one of the major flaws of mass democracy, along with the many people being unqualified to make decisions in running society.
Go to any big city in America and see the drug-addicted and mentally-ill people shuffling along mumbling to themselves. Their votes counts as much as yours.
Go to a college town and see eighteen year olds who have the right to vote because they have existed for eighteen years. Their votes count as much as yours.
Go to check out at a store and see those who use EBT cards to feed themselves and their fatherless children. Their votes counts as much as yours.
I can go on and on.
There are millions upon millions of dumb, gullible, mentally-ill, virtue-signaling, status-hungry, parasitic, criminal, and addicted Americans that vote to suit their demands at the expense of normal, pro-social, normal people. And I’m supposed to believe mass democracy is the **only ** legitimate form of government.
Elites and media people in some Western countries have contempt for their citizens.
inb4: “What makes you qualified to vote?”
- I don’t vote. 2. In a meritocracy and hierarchy I’d be fine with being unable to vote if I were disqualified.
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The money given to bilionaires open up jobs and production. A guy that runs things can make much more with a bilion than the average folk. If I get a bilion I will probably die from a drug addiction in an year. Insert rich guy gets a bilion, he will open 1000 jobs and produce something.
I will give you as an example the company I work for. It was helped during Covid to survive. We kept all the workers thanks to government help. Now we make much more than pre Covid, inflation taken into consideration as well. It was just a well ran company. It now has an office in another city and more jobs were created.
It is help for entire Europe. You can imagine how a dozen Bairaktar drones changed the game in this war. If you remember the north push from Belarus to Kiev and the reported 40 mile convoy going to Kiev? It was deatroyed by twelve Bayraktar drones and and a dozen more not as modern drones. Every freaking modern weapon going to Ukraine helps a ton. At the moment the US will supply Ukraine with long range artilery that can outrange the Russian one and it can drastically change the war. Putin is mad as hell for this artilery and he knows it is a game changer.
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If, they vote. If, some even know what voting is in the first place. I mean, they’re addicts and mental cases.
Because of one, or more, of the issues you just brought up? I wouldn’t be ok with the idea that I, a well educated, contributing member of society who also served in the military, would be considered by people, some of whom believed they were too good to serve, as not qualified to vote.
If people aren’t given the truth then what are the options?
I understand about you thinking there are people less qualified to vote but it serves the interest of the elites. Make people believe that things are unfair, pitting the poor and working class against one another and guide them with propaganda that serves the interest of the elites. More power and more money. This is why we live in an oligarchy not democracy.
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I believe that’s @BrickHead’s point. Mass democracy serves the interest of the elites.
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