Electoral Politics: A Losing Game

Thanks. See the second paragraph I added. @Andrewgen_Receptors

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I don’t know about that…

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I am not sure what your thoughts were here.

But to clarify where the thought that the Left championed free speech, here’s how I saw as it came to be.

The Vietnam War was the catalyst to start the protesting. The tragedy at Kent State University on May 4, 1970 rallied further outrage. Generally US wide there was a call by the Left to protest the Vietnam War condemning the Government. They demanded free speech to voice their outrage. The University of California at Berkeley was considered the bastion of free speech for many years.

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Can you explain the wrong ones. or are you just a faux intellectual who loves to project?

Unless your government is proposing laws that infringe on freedom of speech, then yes you are overreacting.

Is any of this censorship, that you’re complaining about, illegal?

They literally just shit out a new department in homeland security that will likely do exactly this.

Our government isn’t known for following its own laws very well.

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How will this new department limit your free speech?

I don’t know that The Left ever supported free speech. Speech with which it agreed? Sure. Speech it didn’t like? I have serious doubts.

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Look man, if you havent picked up on it yet: you won’t. I won’t keep arguing with you because frankly as a non-US citizen, your opinion on this doesn’t matter.

I get that you don’t see it as an issue, but I do… it appears I am not alone in this concern.

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In those days the Left was getting drafted into a war that they strongly disagreed with, thrown in jail if they resisted the draft (Cassius Clay), strongly ridiculed, and killed (May 4, 1970). At that time they were asking for free speech without punishment.

I am not saying that they didn’t ultimately want what they have now; just that is not what they were asking for at the time.

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Okay

Seems like you have a hard time answering basic questions anyway.

HAHAHA!! Oh, God. You crack me up. By ā€œreal substanceā€ I assume you mean someone from the Young Turks.

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That tends to happen when you have to rephrase an answer multiple times.

Imagine explaining this topic to a 5 year old, and then realize that’s what I’ve been trying to do with you. Hence why I’ve decided to stop arguing.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

For themselves, right?

Yes. The end of the Vietnam War was their top priority.

IMO, the Vietnam War is the most pivotal moment in the history of the USA of all the time that I lived through. Television made very noticeable changes from the honoring of the male head of the household to making him a very flawed leader that wasn’t worthy of leading, That was marked with ā€œAll In the Family.ā€

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I would add that it created a class and ideological divide that didn’t exist so distinctly beforehand. I believe that the draft could be avoided if you were in college, were a politician’s son, or could pay $300 (if memory serves) - so this set a cultural divide between those with intellectual yearnings, money and/or power from the rest of the population.

And then how the media portrayed those who were forced off to war as war criminals… it furthered the divide between the ā€œwealthy, intellectually superior, and powerfulā€ and the ā€œdirtiesā€. A divide I think is still very much present today.

I was trying to find sources for this without success so I’m going off memory… if anyone can prove otherwise - I welcome it.

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It should be added that the protesters took their wrath out on the people that they had the easiest access, the returning soldiers. This sickened me.

I had a college deferment, until the draft lottery.

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Just because something isn’t ā€œillegalā€ does not mean it isn’t an issue or wrong.

We still have the right to question our government and anything else in society. Sorry, we all just don’t love bending over to anything simply because it is not illegal.

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Were you drafted? I may be reading this wrong; still waiting for the coffee to kick in.