Electoral College Math

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[quote]orion wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
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The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

Yeah, excellent point.

You realize democrats want to win Florida in the real elections?

[/quote]

Want to win, but don’t need to win, again Barry plays with a different electoral map, we’ll just have to see how it goes.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What is this talk of racism against Obama? Obama gets ~ 90% of the black votes. Doesn’t Hillary have a better case at being the victim of racism?

No.

Remember? They used to all support Hillary over Obama. Things changed.

But,
yes there is racism against Obama.

When did black voters support Hillary over Obama? Before they ever heard of Obama?[/quote]

But how were they racists when they overwhelmingly supported her?
(hint: they weren’t)

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.[/quote]
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What is this talk of racism against Obama? Obama gets ~ 90% of the black votes. Doesn’t Hillary have a better case at being the victim of racism?

No.

Remember? They used to all support Hillary over Obama. Things changed.

But,
yes there is racism against Obama.

When did black voters support Hillary over Obama? Before they ever heard of Obama?

McWhorter and Loury parse the various reasons whites might vote against Obama - seems like there may actually be some non-racist bases for making such a radical decision…[/quote]
Obviously there are some non-racist reasons, in addition to the racist ones.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What is this talk of racism against Obama? Obama gets ~ 90% of the black votes. Doesn’t Hillary have a better case at being the victim of racism?

No.

Remember? They used to all support Hillary over Obama. Things changed.

But,
yes there is racism against Obama.

When did black voters support Hillary over Obama? Before they ever heard of Obama?

But how were they racists when they overwhelmingly supported her?
(hint: they weren’t)[/quote]

When all their choices were white people race really was not in play for many and some even refused to vote. Obama is getting black people to vote in record numbers based mostly on race.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.
[/quote]

Stripping people of their votes becuase they did not meet the whims of the party makes them victims. Florida has every right to vote when it wants.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.

Stripping people of their votes becuase they did not meet the whims of the party makes them victims. Florida has every right to vote when it wants.[/quote]
Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.

Stripping people of their votes becuase they did not meet the whims of the party makes them victims. Florida has every right to vote when it wants.
Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.
[/quote]

Brilliant strategy. Please stay with it.

Don’t worry about Florida.

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[quote]100meters wrote:

Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.
[/quote]

Actually, I would be all for a one-day nationwide primary - I really don’t understand why the opinions of Iowans, New Hampshireites and South Carolinians should carry such weight…

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Shouldn’t that logic apply at least equally to Obama supporters?

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Pa. is a big NRA state and they will be a presence. Obama is going to have a difficult time to win Pa.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.

Stripping people of their votes becuase they did not meet the whims of the party makes them victims. Florida has every right to vote when it wants.
Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.
[/quote]

Some states actually want a say in who is nominated to run for president and don’t want the choice dictated to them by a couple early primaries and pressure from the party. Florida had no significant problems with this vote and they did not try to vote first.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

Actually, I would be all for a one-day nationwide primary - I really don’t understand why the opinions of Iowans, New Hampshireites and South Carolinians should carry such weight…[/quote]

They shouldn’t, nor should the party force people out of the race early when the race is close as it is with Hillary/Obama.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

BostonBarrister wrote:

McWhorter and Loury parse the various reasons whites might vote against Obama - seems like there may actually be some non-racist bases for making such a radical decision…

100meters wrote:

Obviously there are some non-racist reasons, in addition to the racist ones.

Shouldn’t that logic apply at least equally to Obama supporters?[/quote]

Exactly, but as you know, blacks cannot be racist.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

Actually, I would be all for a one-day nationwide primary - I really don’t understand why the opinions of Iowans, New Hampshireites and South Carolinians should carry such weight…[/quote]

I also don’t understand why it’s not so(One day primaries).Logistical reasons maybe?

I would appreciate it if someone could perhaps give me some links where this is explained,if possible.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

Actually, I would be all for a one-day nationwide primary - I really don’t understand why the opinions of Iowans, New Hampshireites and South Carolinians should carry such weight…

I also don’t understand why it’s not so(One day primaries).Logistical reasons maybe?

I would appreciate it if someone could perhaps give me some links where this is explained,if possible.[/quote]

I suspect that the primaries are stretched out for the exact same reasons that many voters would like for them to be single-day affairs.

The parties have much more power to manipulate the race when primary races last (typically) a few weeks. If it was a one-day, winner-take-all affair with many candidates, then the parties wouldn’t have as much control over the outcomes.

Without giving it much thought, I suspect I would prefer a one-day primary myself.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
…

The Democrats are disenfranchising their own. Glad you support it.

I don’t see why the DNC needs to let Florida legislature dictate the primary schedule. Most of us support supporting the rules, as Hillary said she would. Some of us have stuck to that, others haven’t. Since their delegates will be seated in some fashion, and their votes don’t change the outcome regardless, not much to worry about.

Dictate the primary schedule? Who the hell cares? They stripped the state of Florida of their votes, quite ironic considering 2000.

Ironic that Florida would do it to themselves you mean.

You mean vote? Nice blaming the victim here.
The victim?

So people who break the well established and preset rules with repeatedly spelled out consequences are “victims” now? Interesting.

Stripping people of their votes becuase they did not meet the whims of the party makes them victims. Florida has every right to vote when it wants.
Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

Brilliant strategy. Please stay with it.

Don’t worry about Florida.
[/quote]

It’s weird, the delegates are going to be seated, but still we pretend this matters somehow?

And seated or unseated, Obama’s numbers would change very little, and again he doesn’t plan on winning FL. I feel like I’ve mentioned this a couple times now.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What is this talk of racism against Obama? Obama gets ~ 90% of the black votes. Doesn’t Hillary have a better case at being the victim of racism?

No.

Remember? They used to all support Hillary over Obama. Things changed.

But,
yes there is racism against Obama.

When did black voters support Hillary over Obama? Before they ever heard of Obama?

But how were they racists when they overwhelmingly supported her?
(hint: they weren’t)

When all their choices were white people race really was not in play for many and some even refused to vote. Obama is getting black people to vote in record numbers based mostly on race. [/quote]

Obama was a choice, and he’s black by half. So something changed their minds other than race.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Pa. is a big NRA state and they will be a presence. Obama is going to have a difficult time to win Pa.[/quote]

Except he’s ahead. Weird.

But yes things will be tough and unpredictable in lots of states.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:

Just Florida though? Yes lets just let every state decide when they want to vote, no organizational problems there…(Lets’s all vote first!)

Funny stuff.

Actually, I would be all for a one-day nationwide primary - I really don’t understand why the opinions of Iowans, New Hampshireites and South Carolinians should carry such weight…

They shouldn’t, nor should the party force people out of the race early when the race is close as it is with Hillary/Obama.

[/quote]
Probably why the party hasn’t.