Egypt Erupting

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Why can’t they (everyone who could have influence, not just Israel) give Palestinians one plot of land, Israelis another, and have a buffer zone inbetween? Why the “all or nothing” insistence from both sides? Get it over with and split it up logically. Fucking. And quit with the fucking finger pointing; it always seems to unravel any progress made.[/quote]

That’s entirely too logical of a solution for a situation so infused with religion. [/quote]

That has been the Israeli offer since 1938. The arabs, inspired by Hitler and later the Soviet Union and now by their own leaders who wish to keep them supressed, refuse to allow Jewish people to exist.[/quote]

There is no radical element in Israel, no religious fanatics, there have never been administration that “negotiated” while settling like crazy and thereby making the area of land they actually could give the Palestinians smaller and smaller?

Please.

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Yes, just like every country, of course there are isolated crazies in Israel, terrorists even.

The difference is that they are the miniscule minority in Israel, and put in prison.

Destruction of Israel and murder of all the Jewish people, in contrast, in the official position of Hamas.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest and stupid, but I expect that from you.

[quote]pat wrote:

Thanks…I don’t buy the B.S. that’s Israel and not the Jews. If the U.S.S.R had taken that land I doubt there would be any terrorism. I don’t think they would like it, but they wouldn’t fight unto the death for it. It is directly because they are Jews in the land of Caanan as to why there is terror and strife and continual fighting. They simply cannot stand the fact the the Jews are in the Holy Land. If it were anyone else, they would just take it.[/quote]

Sure.

They have shown how much they love foreign occupation by the Crusaders, Ottomans, British, Sowjets and the US and they took it meekly every time.

Wait no, they havent.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Why can’t they (everyone who could have influence, not just Israel) give Palestinians one plot of land, Israelis another, and have a buffer zone inbetween? Why the “all or nothing” insistence from both sides? Get it over with and split it up logically. Fucking. And quit with the fucking finger pointing; it always seems to unravel any progress made.[/quote]

That’s entirely too logical of a solution for a situation so infused with religion. [/quote]

That has been the Israeli offer since 1938. The arabs, inspired by Hitler and later the Soviet Union and now by their own leaders who wish to keep them supressed, refuse to allow Jewish people to exist.[/quote]

There is no radical element in Israel, no religious fanatics, there have never been administration that “negotiated” while settling like crazy and thereby making the area of land they actually could give the Palestinians smaller and smaller?

Please.

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Yes, just like every country, of course there are isolated crazies in Israel, terrorists even.

The difference is that they are the miniscule minority in Israel, and put in prison.

Destruction of Israel and murder of all the Jewish people, in contrast, in the official position of Hamas.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest and stupid, but I expect that from you.[/quote]

Sure, if you define “minuscule minority” as 10-20% minimum I absolutely agree.

If you fail to mention that this minority has a disproportionate say in all things political because of Israels election system and scattered political landscape that is of course exactly what I would expect from you.

Then there is the fact that even moderate administrations let this “minority” settle in Eretz Israel, making a peace agreement harder and harder.

[quote]orion wrote:

Sure, if you define “minuscule minority” as 10-20% minimum I absolutely agree.

If you fail to mention that this minority has a disproportionate say in all things political because of Israels election system and scattered political landscape that is of course exactly what I would expect from you.

Then there is the fact that even moderate administrations let this “minority” settle in Eretz Israel, making a peace agreement harder and harder.

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By 10 or 20%, I guess you mean the Yisrael Beiteinu party, which is a distant third party, with something like 15 people in the Knesset (out of 120).

Its main platform involves the creation of a Palestinian state that would include the exchange of largely Arab-inhabited parts of Israel for largely Jewish-inhabited parts of the West Bank – i.e., a two state solution.

That’s hardly the “drive them into the sea” position you claim them to have. Indeed, it is the opinion expressed by many on this thread.

The main opponents are Israeli Arabs who love freedom and don’t want to come under Sharia and corruption of a Hamas-dominated government (not that I blame them).

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Why can’t they (everyone who could have influence, not just Israel) give Palestinians one plot of land, Israelis another, and have a buffer zone inbetween? Why the “all or nothing” insistence from both sides? Get it over with and split it up logically. Fucking. And quit with the fucking finger pointing; it always seems to unravel any progress made.[/quote]

That’s entirely too logical of a solution for a situation so infused with religion. [/quote]

That has been the Israeli offer since 1938. The arabs, inspired by Hitler and later the Soviet Union and now by their own leaders who wish to keep them supressed, refuse to allow Jewish people to exist.[/quote]

There is no radical element in Israel, no religious fanatics, there have never been administration that “negotiated” while settling like crazy and thereby making the area of land they actually could give the Palestinians smaller and smaller?

Please.

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Radical elements exist everywhere. The Palestinians have not participated in any kind of peace process in good faith. That is either historically inaccurate or a flat out lie. There is a peace treaty on the table now. Complete with land, possibility for more land, sovereign government, financial assistance and built in trade agreements. You know what the Palestinians have to do? It’s really, really hard. They have to renounce terror and recognize Israel’s right to exist. That’s it. They do that, and the problem is solved.

Don’t tell me that this is Israels fault. I understand that Israel has done some less than savory things, but so much more have the been the victim it’s not even close.

What I don’t really get is why stereotypical, liberal thinking is so supportive of muslim terror. These people have nothing in common with the common liberal. They believe in God, they oppress women, they kill homosexuals, etc. I really don’t get it. If you lived in Iran, or Saudi, or the OT, and you expressed what you think, they’d fucking kill you and drag your corpse down the street and celebrate.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Why can’t they (everyone who could have influence, not just Israel) give Palestinians one plot of land, Israelis another, and have a buffer zone inbetween? Why the “all or nothing” insistence from both sides? Get it over with and split it up logically. Fucking. And quit with the fucking finger pointing; it always seems to unravel any progress made.[/quote]

That’s entirely too logical of a solution for a situation so infused with religion. [/quote]

That has been the Israeli offer since 1938. The arabs, inspired by Hitler and later the Soviet Union and now by their own leaders who wish to keep them supressed, refuse to allow Jewish people to exist.[/quote]

There is no radical element in Israel, no religious fanatics, there have never been administration that “negotiated” while settling like crazy and thereby making the area of land they actually could give the Palestinians smaller and smaller?

Please.

[/quote]

Yes, just like every country, of course there are isolated crazies in Israel, terrorists even.

The difference is that they are the miniscule minority in Israel, and put in prison.

Destruction of Israel and murder of all the Jewish people, in contrast, in the official position of Hamas.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest and stupid, but I expect that from you.[/quote]

Sure, if you define “minuscule minority” as 10-20% minimum I absolutely agree.

If you fail to mention that this minority has a disproportionate say in all things political because of Israels election system and scattered political landscape that is of course exactly what I would expect from you.

Then there is the fact that even moderate administrations let this “minority” settle in Eretz Israel, making a peace agreement harder and harder.

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Because the thousands of suicide bombings, kidnappings, rocket fire, and border skirmishes at the hands of the Palestinians did not inhibit the peace process at all.

By declaration of the current power (Hamas) in the OT that there will be no peace as long as Israel exists. Call me silly, but that seems to me to slightly inhibit the peace process.

Why do you hate the Jews so much, cause you speak German? Are you a holocaust denier or are you just sad Hitler did not succeed?

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Why can’t they (everyone who could have influence, not just Israel) give Palestinians one plot of land, Israelis another, and have a buffer zone inbetween? Why the “all or nothing” insistence from both sides? Get it over with and split it up logically. Fucking. And quit with the fucking finger pointing; it always seems to unravel any progress made.[/quote]

That’s entirely too logical of a solution for a situation so infused with religion. [/quote]

That has been the Israeli offer since 1938. The arabs, inspired by Hitler and later the Soviet Union and now by their own leaders who wish to keep them supressed, refuse to allow Jewish people to exist.[/quote]

There is no radical element in Israel, no religious fanatics, there have never been administration that “negotiated” while settling like crazy and thereby making the area of land they actually could give the Palestinians smaller and smaller?

Please.

[/quote]

Yes, just like every country, of course there are isolated crazies in Israel, terrorists even.

The difference is that they are the miniscule minority in Israel, and put in prison.

Destruction of Israel and murder of all the Jewish people, in contrast, in the official position of Hamas.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest and stupid, but I expect that from you.[/quote]

Sure, if you define “minuscule minority” as 10-20% minimum I absolutely agree.

If you fail to mention that this minority has a disproportionate say in all things political because of Israels election system and scattered political landscape that is of course exactly what I would expect from you.

Then there is the fact that even moderate administrations let this “minority” settle in Eretz Israel, making a peace agreement harder and harder.

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Because the thousands of suicide bombings, kidnappings, rocket fire, and border skirmishes at the hands of the Palestinians did not inhibit the peace process at all.

By declaration of the current power (Hamas) in the OT that there will be no peace as long as Israel exists. Call me silly, but that seems to me to slightly inhibit the peace process.

Why do you hate the Jews so much, cause you speak German? Are you a holocaust denier or are you just sad Hitler did not succeed?[/quote]

Why are you so retarded?

Did it take oxygen deprivation at birth or a conscious effort?

why is it when a weak country like Palestine try to defend it self you call it “terrorism”, and when a strong country like the USA occupy another countries for no reason you call it “protecting our land”?

[quote]hwh89 wrote:
why is it when a weak country like Palestine try to defend it self you call it “terrorism”, and when a strong country like the USA occupy another countries for no reason you call it “protecting our land”?[/quote]

Really this from a guy with Leatherface as his Avatar and a Charles Manson quote in his profile. Both are considered terrorism, except Palestine isn’t this poor little country defending itself. I have heard Palestine rhetoric, it’s not “defending” anything except their right to kill the state of Israel.

[quote]hwh89 wrote:
why is it when a weak country like Palestine try to defend it self you call it “terrorism”, and when a strong country like the USA occupy another countries for no reason you call it “protecting our land”?[/quote]

Probably because the arabs in Gaza intentionally target non-combatants such as little children and pregnant women, while Israel (for example) does its level best to only target the people who are shooting rockets or building bombs. And, generally, when non-combatants are killed, it’s because arab terrorists hide in populated areas or do stunts like send little children out in the middle of running gun battles, knowing the Israelis will cease fire to protect innocent life.

And further, the arabs in Gaza can have their own country, if they want it.

They merely have to let Jewish Israelis have their own country, too, instead of demanding all the Jews die.

The whole demand-for-genocide weakens your case as an oppressed person.

[quote]hwh89 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]hwh89 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Egyptian Muslims forming a shield to protect praying Christians.
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i study in Egypt, and i noticed there that Muslims and Christians are like brothers.
also in Gaza both Muslims and Christians are united against Israel.[/quote]

A christian against Israel. They may want to reread their scripture.
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I’m not sure what he’s talking about. I know several Coptic Christians (there is a group of 30 that go to my Mass) who have had family members killed in Palestine by their own Muslim family members. I don’t know all Copts, I am sure there could be some that do not like Israel, but I haven’t heard of any. As well, from what Jewbacca says the Copts seem to be on Israel’s side.[/quote]

btw Coptic Christians live only in Egypt, and yes some of them were killed but not by Muslims.
and even if they were muslims then they are not following Islam.
In Palestine like i said we are like brothers. [/quote]

That’s total BS. I know a few Christians from that area who left their country after being harassed by muslims.
Muslims have closed churches and monasteries there, also their terrorists routinely use Christian’s homes to carry out attacks on Israel, so that the return fire hits them.
To give you an idea of what Israel’s stance towards Christians is - when palestinian terrorists took over the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem and took 40 Christians hostage there, Israel negotiated their release with the terrorists, who after leaving the church took everything they could carry.
Some “brothers” eh?

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]hwh89 wrote:
why is it when a weak country like Palestine try to defend it self you call it “terrorism”, and when a strong country like the USA occupy another countries for no reason you call it “protecting our land”?[/quote]

Probably because the arabs in Gaza intentionally target non-combatants such as little children and pregnant women, while Israel (for example) does its level best to only target the people who are shooting rockets or building bombs. And, generally, when non-combatants are killed, it’s because arab terrorists hide in populated areas or do stunts like send little children out in the middle of running gun battles, knowing the Israelis will cease fire to protect innocent life.

And further, the arabs in Gaza can have their own country, if they want it.

They merely have to let Jewish Israelis have their own country, too, instead of demanding all the Jews die.

The whole demand-for-genocide weakens your case as an oppressed person.

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There is, however, no shortage of evidence available that points to rather different Israeli aims. Estimates for the proportion of civilian deaths among the 1,360 Palestinians killed range from more than half to two-thirds. Politicians, diplomats and journalists are by and large shying away from the obvious, namely that Israel has been deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians and the very infrastructure of normal life, in order to â?? in the best colonial style â?? teach the natives a lesson.

http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/about-those-hamas-targets/

Israeli snipers opened fire on families running to take shelter in a Red Crescent hospital in the Tel Al-Hawa area of Gaza on Thursday afternoon, witnesses said.

Sharon Locke, an Australian volunteer at Al-Quds Hospital said that when one family approached the hospital, Israeli snipers started firing at the family.

â??They shot a young girl in the face and abdomen. She is now being operated on. The father of the family was shot in the leg and fell to the ground,â?? Locke saidâ?¦

On Thursday morning parts of the hospital went up in flames when Israeli artillery shells struck the buildings. At the time of writing, the operations building of the hospital was still burning.

half of Gazaâ??s ambulances have already been destroyedâ?¦

â??The main UN compound in Gaza was left in flames today [see above] after being struck by Israeli artillery fire, and a spokesman said that the building had been hit by shells containing the incendiary agent white phosphorus.

The attack on the headquarters of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) came as Ban Ki Moon, the UN Secretary-General, arrived in Israel on a peace missionâ?¦

UNWRA, which looks after around four million Palestinian refugees in the region, suspended its operations in Gaza after the attack, in which three of its employees were injured.

Chris Gunness, a UNRWA spokesman, said that the building had been used to shelter hundreds of people fleeing Israelâ??s 20-day offensive in Gaza. He said that pallets with supplies desperately needed by Palestinians in Gaza were on fire.

â??What more stark symbolism do you need?â?? he said. â??You canâ??t put out white phosphorus with traditional methods such as fire extinguishers. You need sand, we donâ??t have sand.â??


â??The IFRC describes the situation as completely and utterly unacceptable based on every known standard of international humanitarian law and universal humanitarian principles and values, and condemns the fact that PRCS facilities have been so severely damaged and its staff prevented from sufficiently carrying out their humanitarian mission.

In particular, it condemns the destruction caused to the PRCS Al Quds hospital and administrative buildings that has resulted in widespread fire damage. At the same time, the second floor of the hospital suffered a direct hit causing fires in the pharmacy and severe damage in many parts of the hospitalâ?¦

Furthermore, this morning the PRCS [Palestine Red Crescent Society] warehouse was enveloped in fire after an attack by the IDF. PRCS volunteers who rushed to the scene in an effort to put out the fire were prevented from doing so by the IDF, who fired at them.â?? [my emph.]

â??Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP) have just had confirmation from our hospital emergency aid coordinators that both Al Wafa Hospital, in the eastern part of Gaza City, and Al Fata (also known as Al Wiaâ??m) Hospital, in Tal El Hawa, west of Gaza City, have both been bombed by the Israeli military.

Al Wafa hospital is the only rehabilitation hospital in all of Gaza.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) reports that Al Quds Hospital has suffered a direct hit. Both Al Quds hospital and the European Hospital have been surrounded by Israeli troops and are reportedly being hit with white phosphorus.

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) suspended activities in the Al Zeitoun and Al Atatra regions as of 11 January, after their ambulances were exposed to gunfire in those regions on 9 and 10 January. Two ambulance personnel were injured and one ambulance was damaged in these incidents. The PRCS further noted that only five of 135 recent attempts to coordinate access to affected areas were successful; however, â??in the five cases [the PRCS was] not able to complete [the] humanitarian tasks because of the obstacles and the gunfireâ?¦â?? [my emph.]

â??Humanitarian shipments into Gaza were halted immediately after two [United Nations] forklift drivers died when the convoy of aid was targeted [during the supposed three-hour ‘humanitarian ceasefire’]â?¦

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said it would not organise further deliveries while Israeli forces threatened the life of its contracted workers. The trucking company involved in the incident also said it was too dangerous to participate in the deliveries.

Richard Miron, a UN spokesman, said that the convoy was clearly displaying UN flags and livery. The Israeli army had been notified of the route of the convoy beforehand.

“Since the beginning of the military attack PRCS has attempted to coordinate passage of an ambulance to a specific neighborhood in Zeitun, where it is known that there are still many injured people waiting for evacuation. Until the 9th the army refused to enable access of ambulances to the region. On the 9th permission was given and ambulance passage was coordinated. Since the roads had been destroyed the ambulance couldn’t reach the areas where the injured people were. The team had to walk 2 km on foot. Israeli forces opened fire on the ambulance. Fortunately no one was injured but the ambulance was badly damaged. Following the incident the team went back to Gaza without having been able to evacuate the injured people.” [my emph.]

“Since the beginning of the military attack PRCS has attempted to coordinate passage of an ambulance to a specific neighborhood in Zeitun, where it is known that there are still many injured people waiting for evacuation. Until the 9th the army refused to enable access of ambulances to the region. On the 9th permission was given and ambulance passage was coordinated. Since the roads had been destroyed the ambulance couldn’t reach the areas where the injured people were. The team had to walk 2 km on foot. Israeli forces opened fire on the ambulance. Fortunately no one was injured but the ambulance was badly damaged. Following the incident the team went back to Gaza without having been able to evacuate the injured people.” [my emph.]

â??Meanwhile the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which has declared a â??full-blown humanitarian crisisâ?? in Gaza, said it is investigating reports that a Palestinian Red Crescent (PRC) ambulance station in Jabaliya refugee camp was targeted Monday night.

In an earlier attack last Friday, the ICRC reported that two clearly marked ambulance medics from the PRC, evacuating the dead and wounded from an earlier Israeli attack, were targeted by Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) fire.

The paramedics were wearing fluorescent jackets and their ambulances had flashing lights visible from a considerable distance.

â??I have no doubt that one missile was aimed at us. I do not know for certain whether it was meant to kill us or warn us to keep away, but it was definitely aimed in our direction,â?? said Palestinian ambulance driver Khaled Abu Saada.

Sammy Hassan, a spokesman from Shifa Hospital said in the last week that four ambulance personnel had been killed in Israeli strikes. â??One was a doctor and the other three were medics. We are very worried about our ambulance staff,â?? Hassan told IPS.â?? [my emph.]

cliff notes:

http://www.wiretapmag.org/race/44019/

The intensity of the assault leaves the honest observer asking one question: how can Israel, with its sophisticated weapons and putative claims to the moral high ground, have caused so much damage to civilians by accident?

The evidence suggests there was no accident.

Israel banned Western journalists from entering Gaza during its assault. It soon became clear why. The UN, independent relief agencies, and Reuters reported a clear pattern: Israel blew up civilians and supplies, officials decried the attack, and Israel reflexively accused Hamas of having fired from nearby. Each time, agency representatives emphatically stated that Hamas was not in the area and demanded proof of Israel’s claims. None was ever forthcoming-except in one case where Israel was forced to retract its own excuse.

And while Israel claims Hamas hid behind civilians, Palestinian witnesses and victims say Israel itself repeatedly used Palestinian civilians as human shields.

[quote]orion wrote:

Blah blah blah block text from arab propaganda sources

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Sorry, I live there. Go back to fapping to your Eva Braun poster.

"And while Israel claims Hamas hid behind civilians, Palestinian witnesses and victims say Israel itself repeatedly used Palestinian civilians as human shields. "

LOL.
I dated a girl from Lebanon (Catholic, her family left after being repeatedly harassed by muslims).
According to her, and I don’t have any reasons to doubt what she was saying, Hamas/Hezbollah is paying “civilians” around $100 per rocket launch. So some dude wakes up, starts his breakfast, goes up on the roof (on his way up he says “hi, time to harass ze joos” to his neighbor, launches the rocket into Israel (hitting nothing or civilian targets 99% of the time) goes back down to his apartment, finishes breakfast, goes to work.
So he does this couple of times every week for a some extra income until he decides to quit or Israel finds out where he is launching from and retaliates, which, of course, causes massive outcry of civilian damage.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]hwh89 wrote:
why is it when a weak country like Palestine try to defend it self you call it “terrorism”, and when a strong country like the USA occupy another countries for no reason you call it “protecting our land”?[/quote]

Probably because the arabs in Gaza intentionally target non-combatants such as little children and pregnant women, while Israel (for example) does its level best to only target the people who are shooting rockets or building bombs. And, generally, when non-combatants are killed, it’s because arab terrorists hide in populated areas or do stunts like send little children out in the middle of running gun battles, knowing the Israelis will cease fire to protect innocent life.

And further, the arabs in Gaza can have their own country, if they want it.

They merely have to let Jewish Israelis have their own country, too, instead of demanding all the Jews die.

The whole demand-for-genocide weakens your case as an oppressed person.

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Yep. That is the core problem, the expression of genocide. It’s not a matter of kicking people off “your” you land. It’s the whole '…running the street red with the rivers of blood from the pig Jews." thing, that kinda chaps my ass.

Don’t worry, if the Muslim Brotherhood manage to cease power in Egypt, Israel is in deep, deep trouble.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Blah blah blah block text from arab propaganda sources

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Sorry, I live there. Go back to fapping to your Eva Braun poster.[/quote]

LOL! Zig Heil!

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Blah blah blah block text from arab propaganda sources

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Sorry, I live there. Go back to fapping to your Eva Braun poster.[/quote]

Well yes, anyone who questions your beloved Israel is obviously a Nazi.

Obviously…

What sources, in your opinion, are legit?

Also quite telling is your response to Orion’s post. You either can’t refute his claims, which are news sources, because you know they are true. Or, you are simply too lazy to provide evidence to the contrary.

Not to go off topic here, but this is why this particular forum sucks balls. Either provide sources that show Orion to be wrong, or just admit that your claims of Israeli moral superiority may not be quite accurate.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

Also quite telling is your response to Orion’s post. You either can’t refute his claims, which are news sources, because you know they are true. Or, you are simply too lazy to provide evidence to the contrary. [/quote]

Gulity as charged; I can’t be bothered with idiots.

He’s a typical Shoa-denier, except in another flavor. No proof would be sufficient; dirty Joooooos are always at fault.

Israel is attacked by missles on a near daily basis — I think it was 1800 or so launches in the last couple of years. This is a fact.

Imagine how the USA would react if San Diego was being shelled daily by Mexico.

Instead of invading and pushing such an assaultive force into the sea (like any other country), Israel sucks it up, takes it, and tagets (the best it can) only those individuals who assault it, all while the official arab TV stations (on the air because Jewish engineers fix their equipment) blare the vilest anti-semetic propaganda (down to a children show with a Mickey Mouse knock-off that teaches pre-schoolers to kill Jewish people) and pours aid and money into the people who attack it.

I know this because I live there. I’ve been to Gaza.

I’ve sat in my daughters’ elementary school as grads came down, the walls shaking.

I’ve picked brains off my shirt. I don’t need to read about in in al-Reuters.

So yes, I really can’t be bothered with anti-semites who troll the interwebs looking for like-minded craziese who hate Jooos to list as “sources.”

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Blah blah blah block text from arab propaganda sources

[/quote]

Sorry, I live there. Go back to fapping to your Eva Braun poster.[/quote]

Well yes, anyone who questions your beloved Israel is obviously a Nazi.

Obviously…

What sources, in your opinion, are legit?

Also quite telling is your response to Orion’s post. You either can’t refute his claims, which are news sources, because you know they are true. Or, you are simply too lazy to provide evidence to the contrary.

Not to go off topic here, but this is why this particular forum sucks balls. Either provide sources that show Orion to be wrong, or just admit that your claims of Israeli moral superiority may not be quite accurate.[/quote]

Israel’s claims to “moral superiority” are summed up in a very simple phrase: if muslims stop the fighting there will be no terrorism, if Israel stops fighting there will be no Israel.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

Also quite telling is your response to Orion’s post. You either can’t refute his claims, which are news sources, because you know they are true. Or, you are simply too lazy to provide evidence to the contrary. [/quote]

Gulity as charged; I can’t be bothered with idiots.

He’s a typical Shoa-denier, except in another flavor. No proof would be sufficient; dirty Joooooos are always at fault.

Israel is attacked by missles on a near daily basis — I think it was 1800 or so launches in the last couple of years. This is a fact.

Imagine how the USA would react if San Diego was being shelled daily by Mexico.

Instead of invading and pushing such an assaultive force into the sea (like any other country), Israel sucks it up, takes it, and tagets (the best it can) only those individuals who assault it, all while the official arab TV stations (on the air because Jewish engineers fix their equipment) blare the vilest anti-semetic propaganda (down to a children show with a Mickey Mouse knock-off that teaches pre-schoolers to kill Jewish people) and pours aid and money into the people who attack it.

I know this because I live there. I’ve been to Gaza.

I’ve sat in my daughters’ elementary school as grads came down, the walls shaking.

I’ve picked brains off my shirt. I don’t need to read about in in al-Reuters.

So yes, I really can’t be bothered with anti-semites who troll the interwebs looking for like-minded craziese who hate Jooos to list as “sources.”[/quote]

This is ridiculous. So the info presented by Orion is false? It’s totally incorrect?

And what does your experience(s) have to do with what your government does to Palestinians? What you have been through is awful, but it doesn’t negate what your side does. This conflict hits close to home with you. I have seen your posts regarding it in the past, so I can see why it would be hard to be objective. I probably wouldn’t be either if I were you.

Still doesn’t change the facts though.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=israeli+attrocities&aq=o&aqi=&aql=&oq=

You can’t, in all honesty, tell me that every source provided in this link is “arab propaganda”.