[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
I have been dying to try a shock knife![/quote]
You say that now. They’re a lot less fun when you’re not the one holding the knife!
Yeah, you’re probably right, but I suck at knife defenses, so I figured it would help. Plus I want to zap my friend. 
[quote]Bellator wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
[quote]Bellator wrote:
When it comes to edged weapons, the various Filipino systems of eskrima/arnis appear to be among the most practical. I’m not personally a fan of most modern military combatives; too many folks assume that if a system is employed by some army, it must be effective, but modern militaries devote very little time to HTH combat.[/quote]
Don’t blame the system for the failures of the inexperienced, I doubt an arnis novice would fare well in H2H either. Those who spend time on MCMAP (I can’t speak to other combatives) are as deadly with a knife as any TMA practitioner.
If you’d like a demonstration, I do still have a box of shock knives…[/quote]
I’m not talking about practitioners, I’m talking about the systems themselves. Modern military combatives tend to be very basic, because modern soldiers don’t have the time to devote to a comprehensive HTH/CQC method. Their training time is typically measured only in hours. Eskrima was developed in an environment where edged weapons use is common.
It began sometime in the late 16th/early 17th centuries, as a synthesis of native blade arts from the Central and Northern Philippines, blended with Spanish fencing. It was constantly tested and refined over a period of some 300 years, where eskrimadors had to use their skills to fight rival tribes (like the Moros–the Muslims of Mindanao and Sulu), Sino-Japanese pirates (the wokou or wako), the Dutch and English, and ultimately the Japanese, during WWII.
Now, please forgive my ignorance–what exactly is “MCMAP”?
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IMO you should be careful dismissing anything as too “basic”. When the shit hits the fan, basic is what’s most likely to keep you alive. This is largely due to Hick’s Law, simply put; fewer techniques=faster reactions=not dead. For those of us who may need to survive a live fight before we’ve had a lifetime to devote to perfecting our system simple is good, the sexy stuff is likely to get you killed. “Good” techniques are based on gross motor skills and can be learned in hours (but polished over years).
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
Was watching a class tonight (too advanced for me to participate) working knife defenses. The instructor & the most advanced student worked the 2nd half of the class with a live knife & things got reeeal careful & slow right away.
I have been dying to try a shock knife![/quote]
i’m curious as to why they choose to use a real knife instead of a shock?
shock knife will provide all the same (or nearly) stress responses that your body would do when seeing a real knife, yet you would be able to go at ‘combat speed’.
imo, no point in training with a real knife if you’re only going to go 40%
Wow HolyMac you know a lot about combat. thats really cool.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
Was watching a class tonight (too advanced for me to participate) working knife defenses. The instructor & the most advanced student worked the 2nd half of the class with a live knife & things got reeeal careful & slow right away.
I have been dying to try a shock knife![/quote]
i’m curious as to why they choose to use a real knife instead of a shock?
shock knife will provide all the same (or nearly) stress responses that your body would do when seeing a real knife, yet you would be able to go at ‘combat speed’.
imo, no point in training with a real knife if you’re only going to go 40% [/quote]
Hi, HolyMac! Unfortunately we don’t have shock knives at the studio. They’ve been yapping about getting them, for the reasons you state, but nothing yet. We all carry knives, so the instructor just pulled out his pocketknife. At your black belt test in Krav the knife portion is done with a live knife, and he was introducing that student to the experience. And yes, they were going very slowly & fluidly - I think he was letting him deal with the nervousness of it as much as working the techniques, as it was the guy’s first time.
And in the beginning of learning something like that I do see the value of going 40% or even less, so you can get the repetitions needed to really learn it. The other two students in class were using a rubber training knife & being really hard on each other. I personally find it easier to master a technique when I incorporate both types of training.
As an interesting side note, I got some water-based markers one time when I was working knife stuff with another student. We used the markers as knives to see where we’d have been cut if we made mistakes in the technique. It was a little creepy to see all the “cuts”.