Ecuador Chooses Stimulus over Austerity

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]kamui wrote:

Maybe we should start to think about our economical systems as ecosystems and to see diversity as the main criterium of their health.

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I have no issue with this. But as soon as you do you’ll have some crying about the steal industry and how America needs to get all the low skill jobs back from offshore, blah blah blah.

I mean, I get what you are saying, and agree, largely. The problem is even getting to the point were you can talk about without someone crying because they don’t understand the basics of what you are hinting at here.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

the domestication of animals and the planting of seed predates both the state and our current definition of private property. [/quote]

Okay sure. Doesn’t make make the internet more of an impact or more the BIGGEST by any stretch…

[quote]Who knows what would have happened if the first herder and the first farmer had an army of lawyers to protect their patents and intellectual properties ?

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I imagine they had a GodKing to steal the fruits of their labor just the same. [/quote]

Probably not. Or at least, not immediatly.

The first herders and farmers were born among tribes of hunter-gatherers. So no accumulated capital nor stolen labor, only subsistence economy. No god yet, only spirits. No king either. Only the occasional habit to call “Chief” the crazy uncle with narcissic personality disorder.

Actually, it’s probably an example of the law of unintended consequences :

Thanks to the bright inventions of the first herder and the first farmer, population started to grow. Which caused an increase of the number of crazy uncle with narcissic personality disorder.
After a few fights for the monopoly of the title of chief, they probably made a deal. And the state was born.

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Ha.

While not explicit, I find it hard to believe there were groups of people over 6 that didn’t have a leader.

Shit the first American colonies tried this type life style. The communitee thing. Didn’t work out too well, and personal property did.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

the domestication of animals and the planting of seed predates both the state and our current definition of private property. [/quote]

Okay sure. Doesn’t make make the internet more of an impact or more the BIGGEST by any stretch…

[quote]Who knows what would have happened if the first herder and the first farmer had an army of lawyers to protect their patents and intellectual properties ?

[/quote]

I imagine they had a GodKing to steal the fruits of their labor just the same. [/quote]

Probably not. Or at least, not immediatly.

The first herders and farmers were born among tribes of hunter-gatherers. So no accumulated capital nor stolen labor, only subsistence economy. No god yet, only spirits. No king either. Only the occasional habit to call “Chief” the crazy uncle with narcissic personality disorder.

Actually, it’s probably an example of the law of unintended consequences :

Thanks to the bright inventions of the first herder and the first farmer, population started to grow. Which caused an increase of the number of crazy uncle with narcissic personality disorder.
After a few fights for the monopoly of the title of chief, they probably made a deal. And the state was born.

[/quote]

Ha.

While not explicit, I find it hard to believe there were groups of people over 6 that didn’t have a leader.

Shit the first American colonies tried this type life style. The communitee thing. Didn’t work out too well, and personal property did. [/quote]

Oh, they probably had some kind of leaders. Simply not the labor-stealing kind of leaders.

Before the Neolithic Revolution, everyone had an equal access to the best weapon of the day. This prevented the emergence of state-like powers during dozens of millenia.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
The capitalists will never pony up the money for research. [/quote]

This is beyond wrong lol.

God I wish I could upload certain pieces of information right now.

I can literally walk down to the file cabnit and prove this wrong

[quote]Just like they didn’t for the new technology of the internet. That is where I’m going.
[/quote]

Whoa, is it that they didn’t want to, or couldn’t?

Did the private sector have access to the same technology?[/quote]

Okay where is all the private capital and how much of it is being spent in R&D for alternative energy sources?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
The capitalists will never pony up the money for research. [/quote]

This is beyond wrong lol.

God I wish I could upload certain pieces of information right now.

I can literally walk down to the file cabnit and prove this wrong

[quote]Just like they didn’t for the new technology of the internet. That is where I’m going.
[/quote]

Whoa, is it that they didn’t want to, or couldn’t?

Did the private sector have access to the same technology?[/quote]

Okay where is all the private capital and how much of it is being spent in R&D for alternative energy sources?
[/quote]

Key word in your phrase is “private” homie.

Government invests in an established company. It isn’t like that company magically appeared one day, lol, because the State willed it so.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
The capitalists will never pony up the money for research. [/quote]

This is beyond wrong lol.

God I wish I could upload certain pieces of information right now.

I can literally walk down to the file cabnit and prove this wrong

[quote]Just like they didn’t for the new technology of the internet. That is where I’m going.
[/quote]

Whoa, is it that they didn’t want to, or couldn’t?

Did the private sector have access to the same technology?[/quote]

Okay where is all the private capital and how much of it is being spent in R&D for alternative energy sources?
[/quote]

Key word in your phrase is “private” homie.

Government invests in an established company. It isn’t like that company magically appeared one day, lol, because the State willed it so.

[/quote]

And your point is?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
The capitalists will never pony up the money for research. [/quote]

This is beyond wrong lol.

God I wish I could upload certain pieces of information right now.

I can literally walk down to the file cabnit and prove this wrong

[quote]Just like they didn’t for the new technology of the internet. That is where I’m going.
[/quote]

Whoa, is it that they didn’t want to, or couldn’t?

Did the private sector have access to the same technology?[/quote]

Okay where is all the private capital and how much of it is being spent in R&D for alternative energy sources?
[/quote]

Key word in your phrase is “private” homie.

Government invests in an established company. It isn’t like that company magically appeared one day, lol, because the State willed it so.

[/quote]

And your point is?[/quote]

lol, priceless.

Why am I not surprised you don’t even understand the bare bone basics?