^^Uh…yeah? That story doesn’t relate to any of the claims in your post. The guy knew that he’d been around people who died of Ebola then lied about it both to leave Liberia and enter the US.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
BeefEater wrote:
First case of infection outside of Africa has occurred in Spain. or she could have been working with people who were not in the ward (i.e. in open streets or not obviously ill with ebola rather than say…malaria) lacking protective gear.
Or she could have been under-equipped for protection, as many health workers there are–don’t have enough gloves or aprons or face shields so sometimes people just have to work with what they have on. It’s a terrible situation over there. [/quote]
By over there do you mean Spain? They say she was fully suited up and are not sure how she could have had contact.
I don’t know, it seems irresponsible to me to not be somewhat quarantined, even if self imposed, after working on someone with Ebola. To go from cleaning up after the priest dies, to going on vacation is just crazy.
With that said it takes huge balls to do this work.
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Giant, big, clanging brass balls.
It’s actually probably most dangerous when entering and leaving the isolation ward. All it takes is one slip up. However the more important thing is that in interviews with all surviving health care workers from the US and abroad who were infected and recovered…none of them thought they had any breach in protocol. None of them thought they could have been infected because they were “very thorough”. In contrast when doing infectious disease training the CDC notes that about 50% of the people have breaches in protection protocol, but ALSO don’t remember it when reviewing their performance.
Essentially it’s not too far fetched to think that there was a subtle breach but it is unremembered, as this is a relatively common phenomenon in training…and training isn’t 14 hour days in hot jungle environments with angry locals. And it’s also not a stress situation in Spain. Training is by definition “safe”.
Thank you for the insight, Aragorn.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
Thank you for the insight, Aragorn.[/quote]
I agree, 100%.
Hypothetical situation - For people in the effected zones.
If you knew you’d been exposed to Ebola and had the ability to get yourself on a plane to the US, where you know you’re chances of survival would be significantly higher, how many people would be willing to take an ibuprofen to knock down a fever and lie on a questionnaire to get out of there? I’d suspect it’s a fairly high number. People want to live.
No. If I was infected with one of the most deadly pathogens in human history and knew that I could potentially kill thousands of people I would not lie to enter another country with better healthcare. I would go to one of the Ebola treatment facilities in Africa that are largely paid for by the US and staffed by Western health experts.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
No. If I was infected with one of the most deadly pathogens in human history and knew that I could potentially kill thousands of people I would not lie to enter another country with better healthcare. I would go to one of the Ebola treatment facilities in Africa that are largely paid for by the US and staffed by Western health experts.[/quote]
Not to mention the fact that he went to visit his family in the US. Now, they have been put under quarantine and are held under armed guard due to the decision he made.
Although, the guard is there because they didn’t comply to the request they stay confined their home. Still, who know what kind of kink he put in their lives pulling the stunt he did.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
No. If I was infected with one of the most deadly pathogens in human history and knew that I could potentially kill thousands of people I would not lie to enter another country with better healthcare. I would go to one of the Ebola treatment facilities in Africa that are largely paid for by the US and staffed by Western health experts.[/quote]
Me too. BUT - Do you think a lot of people would choose to get themselves on a plane if they had the ability to do so, especially since the treatment centers there are so overcrowded they are turning people away? I’m not making an argument that it’s the right thing to do. I’m just saying that I think a significant number of people would do it.
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The policy of checking to see if people have a fever and have them fill out a questionnaire before boarding a plane doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in me that infected people won’t still be getting through.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Me too. BUT - Do you think a lot of people would choose to get themselves on a plane if they had the ability to do so, especially since the treatment centers there are so overcrowded they are turning people away? I’m not making an argument that it’s the right thing to do. I’m just saying that I think a significant number of people would do it.
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I’ve heard about people being turned away from regular hospitals but not by western run Ebola treatment facilities. Many of the world’s top experts are in Africa now. It’s not like they’re not getting good treatment.
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The policy of checking to see if people have a fever and have them fill out a questionnaire before boarding a plane doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in me that infected people won’t still be getting through. [/quote]
Of course. They should’ve shut down all flights to and from affected countries. Barred anyone from entering the country who has recently been to Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea etc.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Me too. BUT - Do you think a lot of people would choose to get themselves on a plane if they had the ability to do so, especially since the treatment centers there are so overcrowded they are turning people away? I’m not making an argument that it’s the right thing to do. I’m just saying that I think a significant number of people would do it.
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I’ve heard about people being turned away from regular hospitals but not by western run Ebola treatment facilities. Many of the world’s top experts are in Africa now. It’s not like they’re not getting good treatment.
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Point being -
The policy of checking to see if people have a fever and have them fill out a questionnaire before boarding a plane doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in me that infected people won’t still be getting through. [/quote]
Of course. They should’ve shut down all flights to and from affected countries. Barred anyone from entering the country who has recently been to Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea etc.[/quote]
I don’t know how I’d deal with it, but it seems reasonable to disallow any travel by ordinary residents, and maybe have aid workers and journalists from the west go through a mandatory quarantine process before leaving the country. The logistics of doing that are probably not possible in these impoverished areas. Most of those people are medical personnel who would not knowingly put others at risk.
I mean, some people won’t even comply with staying home during a quarantine without having a guard outside their house. Unreal.
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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Me too. BUT - Do you think a lot of people would choose to get themselves on a plane if they had the ability to do so, especially since the treatment centers there are so overcrowded they are turning people away? I’m not making an argument that it’s the right thing to do. I’m just saying that I think a significant number of people would do it.
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I’ve heard about people being turned away from regular hospitals but not by western run Ebola treatment facilities. Many of the world’s top experts are in Africa now. It’s not like they’re not getting good treatment.
The US could just refuse to allow flights in from those countries or people in who have been to those countries recently. It’s not a big issue - especially when you’re talking about a couple of African nations. But the Obama administration and the CDC aren’t following basic epidemiology procedures for isolating the outbreak. They’ve actually deliberately brought Ebola patients into the country to treat them. Now 3000 US troops have been sent there where they will be in direct contact with Ebola patients.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Me too. BUT - Do you think a lot of people would choose to get themselves on a plane if they had the ability to do so, especially since the treatment centers there are so overcrowded they are turning people away? I’m not making an argument that it’s the right thing to do. I’m just saying that I think a significant number of people would do it.
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I’ve heard about people being turned away from regular hospitals but not by western run Ebola treatment facilities. Many of the world’s top experts are in Africa now. It’s not like they’re not getting good treatment.
I can imagine the desire to go about your daily life after exposure, but before you “feel bad”, is fairly strong. “I’m not sick, why do I need to stay home?” Not that it’s right, but I can imagine feeling that way.
If you can’t go to work (and potentially lose employment due to the length of quarantine) because some knuckle-headed relative decided it would be OK to possibly infect you, It would be a difficult decision to voluntarily stay at home.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Hypothetical situation - For people in the effected zones.
If you knew you’d been exposed to Ebola and had the ability to get yourself on a plane to the US, where you know you’re chances of survival would be significantly higher, how many people would be willing to take an ibuprofen to knock down a fever and lie on a questionnaire to get out of there? I’d suspect it’s a fairly high number. People want to live. [/quote]
I’d probably do it. Actually I’d first call my embassy, because as a US citizen they have flown a number of people out there in isolation planes and directly to hospitals here. Contacts. If I was joe schmoe though, I’d probably do it ASAP before I started showing signs to minimize the chances of infecting others, then go straight to a hospital.
Sex machine, you don’t want to go to an Africa treatment center. Only roughly 15% of people with ebola can even get a bed, and they’re in a ward with 10-20 other sick patients and no bleach cleaner, poop, vomit, piss, and blood. Treatment centers open up for about 30 minutes in the morning to fill the beds of the dead, then close and turn everybody else away because there’s no place else to put them. That’s why people are going home to family members in the slums, and thats a big reason it’s spreading.
Out of thousands of cases there are only a few hundred beds in the entire country of Liberia.
Well it’s in Spain now, and Europe is starting to shake in its boots anticipating its spread
This is a very cool article about how a Firestone rubber farm in Liberia became a sanctuary, while being in the center of a hotspot. The management there took charge and became very decisive, setting up their own isolation wards using shipping containers and plastic wrap. They even trained their janitorial staff on how to safely dispose of bodies. It’s a company run farm and community with their own employee housing and schools. Very zombie apocalypse, but they have done quite a job protecting their 8,500 employees and 71,500 dependents who live on their rubber farm.
"… the company?s managers had designed a basic clinic, and raided the company warehouse to confirm that the suits used to clean up rubber-related chemical spills would work as Ebola-resistant medical garb, too. "
[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Well it’s in Spain now, and Europe is starting to shake in its boots anticipating its spread [/quote]
Phfft. There’s two cases of it in Omaha with me right now.
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]MalignantTyrant wrote:
Well it’s in Spain now, and Europe is starting to shake in its boots anticipating its spread [/quote]
Phfft. There’s two cases of it in Omaha with me right now.[/quote]
What has happened in Spain and what is happening in Omaha are two different things.
Spanish government has ordered that the infected nurse’s dog be euthanized to prevent further spread of infection, which has apparently sparked a petition to let the dog live
Have you heard about this? If this is true it’s way too scary.
[quote]bonepicket wrote:
Have you heard about this? If this is true it’s way too scary.
Also from Big American News:
CONFIRMED: Obama is Infecting Christians with Ebola To Destroy Jesus and Start A New Age of Liberal Darkness
PROOF: Scientists Confess Hadron Collider is a Torture Device for God Particle