Kenny, I don’t understand if you have a knowledge gap outside of the 6 studies and case studies you’ve read or you can’t synthesize the information you do have or you jumped too early and your particular neuroses makes you too rigid to recomprehend something you’ve already decided upon.
So help me out by answering this:
A person with a 2500kcal maintainance requirement who consumes 2600kcal of water mixed with with high fructose corn syrup
will have similar level of fat gain to the same person consuming 2600kcal of lean steak and broccoli?
and I’ll link an article to help you broaden you knowledge.
I think you would have done a great service if you just didn’t reply at All. All you said was it’s too complex you need to read more. The question was: WILL MY BODY COMPOSITION CHANGE? A simply yes or no and why. Your such a smart hard ass on a fucking forum. Like next time, just tell me to go fuck myself. That’s the same exact thing. Fucking douche bag.
He won’t know if he doesn’t like your post until he reads it
To OP: I think that calorie count is one of those things that is absolute. What I mean by that is that eating over maintenance will cause you to gain weight, and eating below maintenance will cause you to lose weight, regardless of the actual type of food that you’re eating. I think someone else said it, but eating “clean” food will generally keep you more full on less calories. I think we can all eat a big bag of Doritos (say, 16oz) and still be hungry an hour later. But if you eat 10oz of chicken breast and 6oz of green beans, you’ll probably stay full for longer which will obviously cause you to eat less. That is my experience, anyways.
Konman Kenny
What on Earth are you flapping on about? You first misquoted me, provided misinformation and now youre avoiding questions. Conman tactics.
Kenny Kan’t Komprehension
As comprehension is clearly not your strong suit, I’ll try asking again, a bit simpler this time:
Person A has a 2500kcal maintainance requirement. They may choose to consume:
2600kcal of water mixed with with high fructose corn syrup
Or
2600kcal of lean steak and broccoli?
In relation to fat loss/gain, all other things being equal, do they end up at the same spot after 6 months regardless of which option they choose?
Kiddy Kenny
Try not to use school yard tactics like “Good question! Why don’t you tell me what you think and I’ll see if it’s right”. lol
Kopy-Paste Kenny
I’m okay with your copo/paste responses but try to read the question instead of scanning for key words.
The op is asking about “clean eating,” which to me at least means a specific selection of foods, not macros, according to a set of rules (no sugars, etc.).
In your example, the difference between option A and B is beyond food selection—you are comparing 2,600 kcal of sugar against 2,600 kcal of protein, fat, and a few carbs. That isn’t the same. It wouldn’t even if option B were 2,600 kcal of white rice (which could very well be considered a “clean” food, but wouldn’t match the macro profile of the other option) instead of high-fructose corn syrup.
A better question would be: if a person has a maintenance level 2,500 kcal/day, would it make a difference in body composition if said person ate 2,600 kcal of rice, steak, and broccoli versus 2,600 kcal, with an equal ratio of macros as the first option, of, say, junk food/sugary food/less healthy varieties?
To answer this question, actually, is way beyond me.
Valid point in general, but there had been posts prior to the 2500 v 2600 post who claimed that macros did not matter, only calorie balance.
Take a 2500 calorie maintenance diet with a good balance of macros. Add 500 calories of sugar and soybean oil versus 500 cal of broccoli and white fish. Who gains more fat?
In part, macros can shift energy balance. The second individual may become more active while the first one may end up sprawled on the couch more.
Hormones will also be affected differently.
The first individual will end up more insulin resistant because fructose will tend to be made into liver triglycerides, and linoleic acid from soybean oil will raise cortisol levels promoting low T and chronic high insulin levels.
Calorie balance determines gain and loss, but calorie balance is largely macro, food choice and timing dependent. Many, many times people will lose fat by increasing calories. Yes, calorie balance determines the math, but calorie balance is not static. It is highly depended on macros, timing and food choices.
Making it all about calorie balance is like saying that it doesn’t matter what stocks you buy, or when you buy them, it only matters if you buy them for less than you sell them for! Guess what? You can’t control whether a stock goes up after you buy it. You don’t control calorie balance. You control macros, food choices and timing.
Regarding your example of adding equal macros, it is valid too. I would assert that you can create two examples of a 500 calorie surplus from equal macros where one will produce better results than the other. High fructose carbs will be worse than low fructose carbs (in a calorie surplus), proved beyond question. High linoleic fats will be worse than low. Protein quality has been proved to make a big difference.
I get your point and the latter individual will surely have a better change in composition, but your example still doesn’t account for macros.
Sure thing, as the higher TEF of the added protein — and probably the improved health profile from the broccoli in your example — will be different than the effects of fructose.
Is this due to a change in net calories (higher TEF for example) by altering the composition of calories or can this be reconduced to hormonal changes like improved insulin sensitivity? What I’m asking is, with calories AND macros being equal, what are the variables that are directly responsible for the calories being stored as fat or going towards building muscle? I see people talking about insulin resistance and I kinda get how it works, but ultimately I don’t see how it directly impacts fat gain (whereas, for example, I can see how it leads to other drawbacks like energy swings). Is it because of insulin’s inherent globally anabolic properties?
There you go, this is what I was referring to earlier.
But here’s when things get a little fuzzy for me—so we’re established that avoiding linoleic acid and fructose is good. But is there anything else that defines “clean eating?” That is, apart from those two things, how can one be sure that the calories they’re ingesting will be used primarily for building muscle (apart from, of course, training in the first place)?
Because I start to have problems when people define clean eating as “choosing rice over pasta” or “avoiding bread” or “eating lots of veggies and not so lots of fast food.”
Personally, what I eat on a daily basis can be narrowed down to these foods: white rice, eggs, salmon, tuna, chicken breast, olive oil, banana, veggies, protein powder, and ham sandwich or peanut jelly sandwich every now and then. There really isn’t much else.
I’m sure my food choice would be “bro-approved,” but is there really anything else to clean eating?
It was one guy for a few weeks with no control run and which the experimentor would not recommend that anyone else use for fat loss, sonthusly it forms the cornerstones of someone’s nutritional philosophy.
