Eating 2 Times Per Day

Nutrition
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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
timmwwaa wrote:
wufwugy wrote:

  1. eating three times a day vs. six times a day doesn’t make any difference as long as you’re getting the same cals/macros/micros. i make the deductive leap that twice a day wouldn’t matter if cals/macros/micros are the same.

the reason is that big meals take a long time to digest. eat a big enough breakfast and you wont be ‘catabolic’ until dinner time, eat a big enough dinner and you wont be ‘catabolic’ until breakfast time.

  1. some people will eat more in a day if they dont eat breakfast. this is the way it is for me, but apparently not for ProfX. i dont think anybody knows why, but eating breakfast can help curb nighttime hunger.

Ummm…you’re joking right?

im not the best at searching pubmed so i had to pull these off another board that didn’t provide the direct link.

the first shows that low energy intake meals can reduce overall daily intake. i was wrong about equating this with a big breakfast, but if the breakfast is low energy then it could reduce overall intake. personally, because im not hungry in the morning i like to drink my nutrients because it is high density and does nothing for satiation.

note the last sentence of the paper below.

J Nutr. 2004 Jan;134(1):104-11. Related Articles, Links

The time of day of food intake influences overall intake in humans.

de Castro JM.

Department of Psychology, University of Texas at El Paso, El Paso, TX 79968-0553, USA. jdecastr@utep.edu

Circadian and diurnal rhythms affect food intake, and earlier research has suggested that meal sizes increase, whereas the after-meal intervals and satiety ratios decrease over the day. We hypothesized that the time of day of food intake would be related to total intake such that intake early in the day would tend to reduce overall intake, whereas intake later in the day would tend to increase intake over the entire day.

The intakes of 375 male and 492 female free-living individuals, previously obtained via 7-d diet diaries, were reanalyzed. The total and meal intakes of food energy, the amounts of the macronutrients ingested and the density of intake occurring during five 4-h periods (0600-0959, 1000-1359, 1400-1759, 1800-2159 and 2200-0159 h) were identified and related to overall and meal intakes during the entire day.

The proportion of intake in the morning was negatively correlated with overall intake (r=-0.13, P<0.01), whereas the proportion ingested late in the evening was positively correlated with overall intake (r=0.14, P<0.01). The energy densities of intake during all periods of the day were positively related to overall intake (range, r=0.13-0.23, P<0.01).

The results suggest that low energy density intake during any portion of the day can reduce overall intake, that intake in the morning is particularly satiating and can reduce the total amount ingested for the day, and that intake in the late night lacks satiating value and can result in greater overall daily intake.

and because i cant find the paper that shows no difference between 3 and 6 meals a day i’ll show you the paper that shows no difference in blood amino levels between 3 meals and 72 sips at 10 min intervals a day.

Am J Med Sci. 1994 Feb;307(2):97-101. Related Articles, Links

Effect of meal frequency on serum amino acids and creatinine clearance in young men.

Wolever TM.

Department of Nutritional Sciences, Faculty of Medicine, St. Michael’s Hospital, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Seven healthy men consumed a liquid formula diet either as 3 meals taken at 0, 4, and 8 hours, or as 72 equal portions taken at 10-minute intervals (sipping). Day-long mean serum amino acids were similar on both treatments. Sipping reduced the fall in serum creatinine levels by more than 50% (p < 0.01), and reduced urine creatinine output and creatinine clearance by 11% (p < 0.05).

These results suggest that increased meal frequency warrants investigation as a potentially beneficial maneuver in the dietary management of chronic renal failure.[/quote]

How about searching this site? Seriously have you ready anything by Berardi? Lowery?

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[quote]tuffloud wrote:
I agree with you ProX, in that sense.

Now, if someone knows what they are doing and have been on many bulking cycles, do you agree with me that it would be more beneficial for them to stick with eating a lot of clean foods rather than starchy crap?

Again, I do agree that skinny guys or kids with high metabolisms should not worry about this kind of shit. They should try to shovel as much calorie dense food down as possible. I used to be in that boat. Now, however, I go for the cleaner way of bulking - Because I know what I’m doing. Same thing with you, right?

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Of course. I make changes based on my goals. I also understand that I seem to gain more lean body mass when I am not that strict with my food intake. However, that doesn’t imply that I am simply eating whatever the hell is available. Most of my food intake still revolves around protein. The thing is, there are more people than just us reading these threads. Either way, there isn’t much more to argue about. I just think being overly restrictive when gaining is shooting yourself in the foot unless you have a slow metabolism and gain fat without a justifiable gain in muscle mass to make up for it. If my goal was to just maintain I would approach it differently.

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[quote]timmwwaa wrote:

How about searching this site? Seriously have you ready anything by Berardi? Lowery?[/quote]

first diet and exercise site i found and liked. i started by going back to the 98 archives and reading every article to current. i started browsing or skipping a few due to superfluity, but, yes, i have read much by Berardi and Lowery.

here’s my question for you. since when are Berardi and Lowery the source of proof? since when are authors’ (despite being knowledgeable, experineced, and helpful) words better than the findings of studies that control for variables a.k.a. proof?

if there is proof that higher meal frequency doesn’t yield more weight loss via physiological methods, yet an author here states that higher meal frequency does… who am i to believe?

there is much more to it that i wont address, and im not taking a shot at the authors. i just want to point out that JB’s and LL’s words are not proof. ask them, they’ll agree that their words are not proof.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, my opinion is that he is greatly exagerrating on the amount of food listed. However, what those foods are doesn’t exactly get described as “shit”.[/quote]

Trivial again but…

Why in hell would I exaggerate the food I eat on the occasional hog-fest out to breakfast?

To impress you?

Just for the record, your
“opinion” is incorrect.

Bacon… SHIT FATS
Pancakes (greasy-spoon type) SHIT CARBS
Sausage SHIT FATS
Eggs NOT SHIT
Muffins SHIT CARBS

The only thing with any redeeming quality on that list is eggs. Sometimes in the Anabilic Diet but not normally

How could there be any argument? It doesn’t mean you turn to shit by eating them infrequently but they sure don’t make it into any “muscle meals” at my table. They’re saved for those days when I let loose with the knife and fork.

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[quote]derek wrote:
Professor X wrote:
First, my opinion is that he is greatly exagerrating on the amount of food listed. However, what those foods are doesn’t exactly get described as “shit”.

Trivial again but…

Why in hell would I exaggerate the food I eat on the occasional hog-fest out to breakfast?

To impress you?
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You have impressed me now if never before. Good for you. You can eat a lot every once in a while. How could I ever have doubted your ability to eat? Dear Lord, what was I thinking? All 260lbs of you is a force to be reckoned with! I bow before you and your thunderous muscularity oh God of Gym Patronage. Bless me with genes of fire and a protein intake that screams “Valhalla!”. Let the sun never rest until my biceps have reached the peaks that yours have climbed. I scream “mercy” as you wolf down plates of bacon and sausage that put mere mortals to shame! I am not worthy! No, Massive Eating Every Once in a While God, I am not worthy!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You have impressed me now if never before. Good for you. You can eat a lot every once in a while. How could I ever have doubted your ability to eat?

Dear Lord, what was I thinking? All 260lbs of you is a force to be reckoned with! I bow before you and your thunderous muscularity oh God of Gym Patronage. Bless me with genes of fire and a protein intake that screams “Valhalla!”.

Let the sun never rest until my biceps have reached the peaks that yours have climbed. I scream “mercy” as you wolf down plates of bacon and sausage that put mere mortals to shame! I am not worthy! No, Massive Eating Every Once in a While God, I am not worthy!
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Actually trying to impress ANYONE was the farthest thing from my mind. You were the one who doubted it and brought it to light, remember?

You might try to help out the original poster like I did in my first reply instead of coming off like an antagonist jackass by finding imaginary fault with what is clearly not at the root of the question he asked.

By the way, that last reply to me was about the gayest thing you’ve ever written and that’s saying a lot!

How the hell do you find the time to post almost 5,000 times? Now THAT’S impressive!

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THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS!!!

I went out to breakfast yesterday. I had a 3-egg omlette with spinach, tomatoes, avocado, artichoke, mushrooms and monterey jack cheese. I also had some whole wheat toast and potatoes. It was the shit. That’s a good breakfast.

I agree that for someone who is bulking and over 200lbs, you have to lighten up on your “all clean” eating habits and allow yourself to eat some things you may not eat if dieting or maintaining. you just can’t get enough calories from eating clean all the time. Especially if you’re taking in more than 4000 calories a day.

Like the Professor said, you don’t eat shit all the time, but you can’t be strict all the time. Eat the fucking hamburger. Have some pizza every now and then. Some pancakes won’t kill you. Eat some whole eggs! It’s not rocket science.

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[quote]derek wrote:
It doesn’t mean you turn to shit by eating them infrequently. They’re saved for those days when I let loose with the knife and fork. [/quote]

Yeah, I kinda just said that.

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[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS!!!
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Pictures of what? What I ate for breakfast?

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Yeah x.Man,you wouldn’t even know. I can cook eggs,chicken and play x box at the same time.Lol

quote]Professor X wrote:
Harry Flashman wrote:
Don’t feel that you have to have an opinion on everything to be considered knowledgable.

Thanks, dad, but I know what I am knowledgeable of and what I’m not. My goal isn’t to prove that to you or anyone else. This is a discussion forum. How did you possibly find the time to type that long ass post when you apparently have so much to do?

For the record, my chicken breasts are grilling as I type this. For some amazing reason, I was gifted with the ability to do more than one thing at once. I would imagine others are capable of this as well.[/quote]

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Sounds VERY palatable.My breakfast is usually oatmeal,3 egg whites and one whole egg omlette mixed with salsa and fat-free cheese,2 slices of organic whole wheat toast,and sometimes a piece of fruit with it.I usually run out of apples,lol. [quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS!!!

I went out to breakfast yesterday. I had a 3-egg omlette with spinach, tomatoes, avocado, artichoke, mushrooms and monterey jack cheese. I also had some whole wheat toast and potatoes. It was the shit. That’s a good breakfast.

I agree that for someone who is bulking and over 200lbs, you have to lighten up on your “all clean” eating habits and allow yourself to eat some things you may not eat if dieting or maintaining. you just can’t get enough calories from eating clean all the time. Especially if you’re taking in more than 4000 calories a day.

Like the Professor said, you don’t eat shit all the time, but you can’t be strict all the time. Eat the fucking hamburger. Have some pizza every now and then. Some pancakes won’t kill you. Eat some whole eggs! It’s not rocket science.[/quote]

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

“Research on feeding frequency started more than 20 years ago and some studies have shown evidence of nutritional benefits, especially on metabolism and body weight management”

“Further, people who are regular “gouter”(read: extra meals) eaters have a higher carbohydrate intake and better metabolic profile than other adults, even though their total energy intake is not greater”

Ergo, more frequent meals WILL lead to an increase in metabolism. Infrequent eating WILL lead to a slow down in metabolism.

Thats the only “official” study I could find, however:

Do a search on google for “metabolism and frequent meals” and EVERY page that comes up talks about how eating frequently boosts metabolism. I thought this was basic nutrition stuff, why is everyone so surprised to hear this?

Your body does not like to go 19 hours without eating, even if its a big ass meal. It will tell itself “oh crap, no food is coming down the pike, slow down.”

When did all of this become foreign to everyone?[/quote]

Word!

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
timmwwaa wrote:

How about searching this site? Seriously have you ready anything by Berardi? Lowery?

first diet and exercise site i found and liked. i started by going back to the 98 archives and reading every article to current. i started browsing or skipping a few due to superfluity, but, yes, i have read much by Berardi and Lowery.

here’s my question for you. since when are Berardi and Lowery the source of proof? since when are authors’ (despite being knowledgeable, experineced, and helpful) words better than the findings of studies that control for variables a.k.a. proof?

if there is proof that higher meal frequency doesn’t yield more weight loss via physiological methods, yet an author here states that higher meal frequency does… who am i to believe?

there is much more to it that i wont address, and im not taking a shot at the authors. i just want to point out that JB’s and LL’s words are not proof. ask them, they’ll agree that their words are not proof.[/quote]

Ok well since you like reading so much how about picking up a psysiology textbook…then when you’re done, you might actually understand what “MR” is. Then you might look up some of the references at the end of the acticles by the aforementioned authors–you know some of them actually site their articles. Oh and one last thing, how many times a day do you eat?

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[quote]derek wrote:
Actually trying to impress ANYONE was the farthest thing from my mind. You were the one who doubted it and brought it to light, remember?

You might try to help out the original poster like I did in my first reply instead of coming off like an antagonist jackass by finding imaginary fault with what is clearly not at the root of the question he asked.

By the way, that last reply to me was about the gayest thing you’ve ever written and that’s saying a lot!

How the hell do you find the time to post almost 5,000 times? Now THAT’S impressive!

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For someone who isn’t trying to impress anyone, you sure do keep responding without truly saying shit. I hope you never do post anywhere close to that many times. Reading what you’ve left laying in this thread has been painful enough. As far as doubting you, I still do. You thought differently? But of course, you don’t care about that, right?

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[quote]timmwwaa wrote:
Ok well since you like reading so much how about picking up a psysiology textbook…then when you’re done, you might actually understand what “MR” is. Then you might look up some of the references at the end of the acticles by the aforementioned authors–you know some of them actually site their articles. Oh and one last thing, how many times a day do you eat?[/quote]

so this is what you say when you got nothing? would you also like to critique my grammar and punctuation? does this look like a physiology textbook to you? did you think that i meant something other than metabolic rate by ‘MR?’ maybe i meant ‘maniacal rant’ or ‘masturbating rooster.’ have you ever heard of context?

i have gone through some of the references in some of the aforementioned authors articles and have been left wanting. please direct me to proof that you’re right. please. please. please.

oh, and it doesn’t matter how often i eat a day. but because you asked, i sometimes eat 2 meals, sometimes 6, sometimes somewhere in between.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
timmwwaa wrote:
Ok well since you like reading so much how about picking up a psysiology textbook…then when you’re done, you might actually understand what “MR” is. Then you might look up some of the references at the end of the acticles by the aforementioned authors–you know some of them actually site their articles. Oh and one last thing, how many times a day do you eat?

so this is what you say when you got nothing? would you also like to critique my grammar and punctuation? does this look like a physiology textbook to you? did you think that i meant something other than metabolic rate by ‘MR?’ maybe i meant ‘maniacal rant’ or ‘masturbating rooster.’ [/quote]

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought you were calling him mentally retarded.

My two yen on the matter? Eat a huge breakfast, eat a huge dinner, and keep the nuts, fruit, beef jerky and protein shaker handy throughout the day.

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The original poster saying that he is only able to eat two meals per day… I hope he meant just two “big” meals a day and several small snacks is included but just not mentioned, right?

People saying that their schedule permits them to only eat twice are just making excuses. On an average weekday I work 12 hours a day and eat 8 times a day. That includes 3 “big” meals. If it can be consumed in 2 minutes or less, at least it’s still something. Do it during a bathroom break. That’s what I used to do with the old Grow! bars. :slight_smile:

Not to kick the already dead and beaten horse, but have people ever heard of wheat cakes? It’s what Spider-Man eats for the fanboys out there. The breakfast of champions!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
For someone who isn’t trying to impress anyone, you sure do keep responding without truly saying shit. I hope you never do post anywhere close to that many times. Reading what you’ve left laying in this thread has been painful enough. As far as doubting you, I still do. You thought differently? But of course, you don’t care about that, right? [/quote]

And you’ve added what to this post?

It almost seems pathological how you seem to care whether I ate what I said I did. Odd really.

You got me, X. I didn’t actually eat all that stuff. I made it up and I’m sorry I lied… Good catch, genius.

Out of curiosity I looked at some of your posts. It wasn’t difficult, I just closed my eyes and clicked the mouse. It was AMAZING. You had replied to every post I happened to click on!

The one common theme I found was that you added almost nothing to the threads but antagonistic banter. But to be fair, you criticized needlessly in some of your numerous posts so it’s not all without merit (yes it is!).

So let’s just say that we both post 50% BS here (and I’ll be the first to admit arguing about this is complete BS).

You’ve STILL got four times the BS on this site that I do. You just can’t help yourself, can you?

Please answer this though… How did doubting my eating capasity contribute to the original post?

Try this in the future, it may save you some of your valuable time let alone extend the life of your keyboard; start out trying to help rather than trying to disprove the most insignificant minutia from my replies.

And let me be the first one to congratulate you on your upcoming 5,000th post!
Good work, X.

I appologize for any misspellings… I have to get back to my job and don’t have time to dig out my dictionary.

Hey, X. Since you’ve got nothing to do, would you mind looking over my post and correcting my spelling errors? Thanks.

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"Omelets are now only eaten by obese people? "

Duh, all that fat. Fat is bad ya know. And combining fat and carbs in the same meal, Prof. must be a big fat ass.

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I just like vagina, …yea, i just like vagina.