Eating 2 Times Per Day

Nutrition
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
tuffloud wrote:
Pancakes (if they are Bisquick or Krusteaz) are shit. Corn muffins are shit.

If you are dieting, I completely agree. If not, I can think of many foods worse than what you listed here when gaining. I understand the argument of “corn” completely, but you are saying that no one should eat pancakes? I would love to see what you eat on a daily basis.[/quote]

I stick with Grow!, cottage cheese and 1 1/2 cups of Quaker Oats in the morning. I feel this does much better things for my body than corn muffins and pancakes. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m really not trying to argue with you. Are you fat? You still haven’t answered. I always have heard you talking about your eating habits and am honestly curious how lean or how fat you are.

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[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Professor X wrote:
tuffloud wrote:
Pancakes (if they are Bisquick or Krusteaz) are shit. Corn muffins are shit.

If you are dieting, I completely agree. If not, I can think of many foods worse than what you listed here when gaining. I understand the argument of “corn” completely, but you are saying that no one should eat pancakes? I would love to see what you eat on a daily basis.

I stick with Grow!, cottage cheese and 1 1/2 cups of Quaker Oats in the morning. I feel this does much better things for my body than corn muffins and pancakes. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m really not trying to argue with you. Are you fat? You still haven’t answered. I always have heard you talking about your eating habits and am honestly curious how lean or how fat you are.
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No, I’m not fat and am surprised that you keep asking that question. I personally don’t eat many corn products (if any at all), but I don’t make such a huge deal over breakfast when gaining especially considering there isn’t anything wrong with pancakes unless you are on a very strict diet (assuming you have already covered protein at that time of day as well).

Dieting down would of course eliminate any excess carbs to begin with so no, I don’t understand the issue you are making since many beginners will probably read this thread and think their diets needs to be overly restrictive. I think I have made it more than clear what I eat or don’t eat. I am wondering why this seems so strange to you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
tuffloud wrote:
Professor X wrote:
tuffloud wrote:
Pancakes (if they are Bisquick or Krusteaz) are shit. Corn muffins are shit.

If you are dieting, I completely agree. If not, I can think of many foods worse than what you listed here when gaining. I understand the argument of “corn” completely, but you are saying that no one should eat pancakes? I would love to see what you eat on a daily basis.

I stick with Grow!, cottage cheese and 1 1/2 cups of Quaker Oats in the morning. I feel this does much better things for my body than corn muffins and pancakes. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m really not trying to argue with you. Are you fat? You still haven’t answered. I always have heard you talking about your eating habits and am honestly curious how lean or how fat you are.

No, I’m not fat and am surprised that you keep asking that question. I personally don’t eat many corn products (if any at all), but I don’t make such a huge deal over breakfast when gaining especially considering there isn’t anything wrong with pancakes unless you are on a very strict diet (assuming you have already covered protein at that time of day as well).

Dieting down would of course eliminate any excess carbs to begin with so no, I don’t understand the issue you are making since many beginners will probably read this thread and think their diets needs to be overly restrictive. I think I have made it more than clear what I eat or don’t eat. I am wondering why this seems so strange to you.[/quote]

I’m not saying pancakes are bad once and awhile, of course not. I am saying that eating them all the time for breakfast is not good. Their are better things out there that you can eat a lot of besides pancakes. So, I agree with certain things you are saying. Do you think that eating pancakes every day is OK?

I do mean even during bulking. Oatmeal would be a much better option than pancakes, even while bulking. Now if the pancakes were a whole wheat or grain and didn’t have a bunch of refined shit in them, then pancakes would be great! I know of these kinds of pancakes.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
One of the reasons you eat 6 times a day while on a diet of ANY kind is to keep the metabolism up. Eating 2 times per day does exactly the opposite of that so it is actually easier to gain weight eating twice per day than it is 6 times per day (given the same amount of calories eaten…which will be tough eating 1/3 the amount of meals).

uh, what? evidence would be nice.

food takes time to digest. small meals digest quicker than big meals. in the end they balance out.

even if MR is slowed down during fasting or catabolic periods it’s coupled with a lack of energy intake so it all gets balanced out. so 2 meals at 5000 cals wont make somebody gain weight any faster than 6 meals at 5000 cals.

the ONLY way that any diet or meal frequency will effect long term weight loss is if it reduces overall intake.[/quote]

While I can’t think of any evidence offhand, basically every report or book I’ve ever read lists that eating frequently BOOSTS your metabolism, whereas eating only once or twice elicits your bodies starvation response, thus slowing your metabolism.

Theoretically if you could boost your metabolism and eat the same 5,000 calories, you would in fact see different levels of wait gain or loss. I believe this is the science behind HOT-ROX… Boost metabolism and see the fat melt away.

This explains the reason that people who learn how to eat this way often eat more than they ever have and still get leaner.

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I once read that Sumo Wrestlers only eat one meal a day…Just a huge huge meal. Then it sits there in there stumach and its a great way to bulk. If you don’t ever three hours your metabolism stops.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

While I can’t think of any evidence offhand, basically every report or book I’ve ever read lists that eating frequently BOOSTS your metabolism, whereas eating only once or twice elicits your bodies starvation response, thus slowing your metabolism.

Theoretically if you could boost your metabolism and eat the same 5,000 calories, you would in fact see different levels of wait gain or loss. I believe this is the science behind HOT-ROX… Boost metabolism and see the fat melt away.

This explains the reason that people who learn how to eat this way often eat more than they ever have and still get leaner.[/quote]

starvation is also the fastest way to lose weight. reduced MR will not make up for this. in the end it will balance out if cals are the same. if total daily, weekly, monthiy cals come out to a deficit then weight will be lost. if at a surplus then weight will be gained.

though, MR does change with overall intake and this a relative thing and a different issue.

although, i dont believe that MR will change much throughout one day if cals are met. i dont think people realize how long a big meal takes to fully digest; all that time releasing nutrients into the bloodstream.

it has been shown time and again that the reason that people who eat more often lose weight is because they eat less. for them, it’s a psychological thing that they’re usually unaware of.

P.S. even though i like asking for evidence, please dont ask me for any because i already presented some that sufficiently answers one or two issues, and im terrible at searching pubmed and such so i wont find what i know exists anyway.

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Your body doesn’t go into starvation mode for a while,it certainly doesn’t ‘shut your metabolism down’ if you eat 2 meals a day.It may be a little slower,but i’d like to see the figures that say that this is significant over a period of time.Prepared to be wrong,but don’t expect to be.

A friend once told me that all Sumo did to train was eat,and I belived that too.They train like fuck, and most are fast and skillful.They must eat like fuck too to get that big,and I’m utterly certain it isn’t just once a day,unless of course is an Elvis Special!.The classic sumo meal is called ‘Chanko Nabe’,a fish,meat and veg. stew.

Most of you guys have way too much time,don’t know where you find the time to train with the amount of posts you post on here.Prof X I think you being evasive when questioned and needlessly argumentative when not.Don’t feel that you have to have an opinion on everything to be considered knowledgable.

On a side note,some of the stats posted by members here are ridiculous.All these people claiming to have single digit BF% can’t be right,or my eyes are playing me false.

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[quote]tuffloud wrote:
I’m not saying pancakes are bad once and awhile, of course not. I am saying that eating them all the time for breakfast is not good. Their are better things out there that you can eat a lot of besides pancakes. So, I agree with certain things you are saying. Do you think that eating pancakes every day is OK?

I do mean even during bulking. Oatmeal would be a much better option than pancakes, even while bulking. Now if the pancakes were a whole wheat or grain and didn’t have a bunch of refined shit in them, then pancakes would be great! I know of these kinds of pancakes.
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Your most important basic aspect of nutrition when gaining is overall caloric intake. That means very often, especially if someone is carrying more lean body mass than average, they can get away with the intake of more simple carbs than someone who only weighs 150lbs. That one aspect is why I think you are being extremely anal if the goal is to GAIN, let alone bulk up.

The difference in metabolic rate is also a concern. We are talking about the difference of one meal where protein intake is taken care of where someone eats pancakes over oatmeal. I think this type of thinking can make gaining even harder for many, especially those with faster metabolisms. This is a long way from anyone telling some kids to eat pancakes at every meal.

With all apologies, you are acting like pancakes completely throw off someone’s metabolism. This is far from the case.

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[quote]Harry Flashman wrote:
Don’t feel that you have to have an opinion on everything to be considered knowledgable.
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Thanks, dad, but I know what I am knowledgeable of and what I’m not. My goal isn’t to prove that to you or anyone else. This is a discussion forum. How did you possibly find the time to type that long ass post when you apparently have so much to do?

For the record, my chicken breasts are grilling as I type this. For some amazing reason, I was gifted with the ability to do more than one thing at once. I would imagine others are capable of this as well.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
whereas eating only once or twice elicits your bodies starvation response, thus slowing your metabolism.

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How would one go into “starvation mode” if you’re eating at or above your maintenance level?

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[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey guys, over the next few weeks, I only have the availability to eat 2 times a day. Anybody have any suggestions on how I could do this without screwing myself up too bad?

This isn’t a long term thing, I would prefer if you could give me principles versus just straight menus.[/quote]

Adequate protein, fiber, EFAs and calories to match your goals, whatever they may be.

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Prof X,

Funny you should call me Dad,because that’s exactly what I’m being,it’s my day to look after my son.Irrelevant, but nice.

Btw,multi-tasking is a relatively female trait.

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[quote]Harry Flashman wrote:

Btw,multi-tasking is a relatively female trait.[/quote]

I’m assuming that was some sort of jab at the professor… I’m failing to see how that would be considered anything negative.

Weight training is also a relatively male trait. I think we all agree that women should do it as well.

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“Research on feeding frequency started more than 20 years ago and some studies have shown evidence of nutritional benefits, especially on metabolism and body weight management”

“Further, people who are regular “gouter”(read: extra meals) eaters have a higher carbohydrate intake and better metabolic profile than other adults, even though their total energy intake is not greater”

Ergo, more frequent meals WILL lead to an increase in metabolism. Infrequent eating WILL lead to a slow down in metabolism.

Thats the only “official” study I could find, however:

Do a search on google for “metabolism and frequent meals” and EVERY page that comes up talks about how eating frequently boosts metabolism. I thought this was basic nutrition stuff, why is everyone so surprised to hear this?

Your body does not like to go 19 hours without eating, even if its a big ass meal. It will tell itself “oh crap, no food is coming down the pike, slow down.”

When did all of this become foreign to everyone?

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Agreed,petty of me to retaliate really.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

“Research on feeding frequency started more than 20 years ago and some studies have shown evidence of nutritional benefits, especially on metabolism and body weight management”

“Further, people who are regular “gouter”(read: extra meals) eaters have a higher carbohydrate intake and better metabolic profile than other adults, even though their total energy intake is not greater”

Ergo, more frequent meals WILL lead to an increase in metabolism. Infrequent eating WILL lead to a slow down in metabolism.

Thats the only “official” study I could find, however:

Do a search on google for “metabolism and frequent meals” and EVERY page that comes up talks about how eating frequently boosts metabolism. I thought this was basic nutrition stuff, why is everyone so surprised to hear this?

Your body does not like to go 19 hours without eating, even if its a big ass meal. It will tell itself “oh crap, no food is coming down the pike, slow down.”

When did all of this become foreign to everyone?[/quote]

Larger meals cause a larger thermogenic effect. The difference between more frequent/smaller or less often/bigger is ~0.

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This study shows that a larger meal is going to have a higher TEF than several smaller meals of the same caloric value.

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This one shows that nutrient utilization is the same for 2 vs 7 meals
per day.

For the record, I (and I think wufwugy) think 2 meals is a little extreme. 3 meals would be a better recommendation. But as the OP was asking for suggestions, hopefully he’ll find what he needs amongst these posts.

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[quote]Harry Flashman wrote:
Prof X,

Funny you should call me Dad,because that’s exactly what I’m being,it’s my day to look after my son.Irrelevant, but nice.

Btw,multi-tasking is a relatively female trait.[/quote]

So is NAGGING.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
tuffloud wrote:
I’m not saying pancakes are bad once and awhile, of course not. I am saying that eating them all the time for breakfast is not good. Their are better things out there that you can eat a lot of besides pancakes. So, I agree with certain things you are saying. Do you think that eating pancakes every day is OK?

I do mean even during bulking. Oatmeal would be a much better option than pancakes, even while bulking. Now if the pancakes were a whole wheat or grain and didn’t have a bunch of refined shit in them, then pancakes would be great! I know of these kinds of pancakes.

Your most important basic aspect of nutrition when gaining is overall caloric intake. That means very often, especially if someone is carrying more lean body mass than average, they can get away with the intake of more simple carbs than someone who only weighs 150lbs. That one aspect is why I think you are being extremely anal if the goal is to GAIN, let alone bulk up.

The difference in metabolic rate is also a concern. We are talking about the difference of one meal where protein intake is taken care of where someone eats pancakes over oatmeal. I think this type of thinking can make gaining even harder for many, especially those with faster metabolisms. This is a long way from anyone telling some kids to eat pancakes at every meal.

With all apologies, you are acting like pancakes completely throw off someone’s metabolism. This is far from the case.[/quote]

I agree with you ProX, in that sense.

Now, if someone knows what they are doing and have been on many bulking cycles, do you agree with me that it would be more beneficial for them to stick with eating a lot of clean foods rather than starchy crap?

Again, I do agree that skinny guys or kids with high metabolisms should not worry about this kind of shit. They should try to shovel as much calorie dense food down as possible. I used to be in that boat. Now, however, I go for the cleaner way of bulking - Because I know what I’m doing. Same thing with you, right?