Eat fats… 9 Calories per gram opposed to Carbohydrates which have 4.
Dairy
Oils
Meats
Its not that hard.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
Evil1 wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
Evil1 wrote:
coconut oil is generally not recommended since a large part of it is metabolized for energy at the expense of burning stored fats and long chain fatty acids.
How is this bad for someone who’s trying to consume extra calories?
The same thing can be said for carbs and excess protein.
The OP mentioned he is on a keto diet. The premise of a keto plan is to teach the body to use stored fat as fuel. the MCT’s in coconut oil get metabolized first which hinders adaptation to fat (long-chain) as an energy source.
Coconut oil is helpful on effective on plans that seek to maintain a carb based energy system, since it is less likely to be stored as fat.
I think it’s likely that the OP is “fat adapted” if he’s not craving carbs and is functioning well, so I still don’t see the problem with him consuming coconut oil.[/quote]
Apparently, the MCT’s in coconut oil (w/ enough consumption) are metabolized in a similar fashion to carbs. i.e. they bypass the lymphatic system and go straight to the liver to be converted to energy.
What theory says is that with continued usage the body will ‘unlearn’ its fat based metabolic path becuase it does not need to be accessed.
One side argues, that MCT found in coconut oil boost the ketone count and provide fast energy, which may be helpful in some conditions. The counter argument is that the ketones don’t come form stored fat so there is no fat lost.
Other than that, my advice stems from the AD as written by Dipasquale and my own experience. I am not saying coconut oil is a bad idea in and of it self. rather that it is a less than optimal choice if it will make up a large portion of fat intake on a keto diet.
Whole Milk.
According to my ketostix I have large amounts of ketones. I’ve had a bit of coconut oil (two tbsps the other day) and it didn’t change anything.
Bill Roberts didn’t seem convinced that coconut oil is bad if you’re on a keto diet: http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/coconut_oil_on_ad
Coconut oil will keep you in ketosis, simply because MCT are still a form of fat. And being fats, when they used for energy they are broken into fatty acid and ketone bodies. MCT provide a greater amount (60% or so) of ketones than LCT’s.
The issue is not that it will kick you out of ketosis. The issue is that because MCT will get metabolized first, the body will not use the stored Long-chain Triglycerides
W.R.T the AD, the goal of the AD is not a state of ketosis. It should transient, if at all. When used in a good proportion I guess it wouldn’t switch the adaptation, but you question seemed like it would constitute a major portion of you fat intake. Bill Roberts says it ok, Dr. Dipasquale says its not. I found that for me, it was not a good idea. Your experience may differ.
Hmm, well thanks for the info. Better to be safe than sorry.
What do you think about coconut milk?
Can we make this thread more difficult, how about 5000 calories?
[quote]absolute3 wrote:
Whole Milk.[/quote]
He’s looking for low carb options.
8oz cheeseburgers without the bun.
Whole eggs.
Steak.
Peanuts.
Peanut butter.
Cottage cheese.
Hell, any kind of cheese. I can eat a half block of feta.
Tuna with regular mayo (no bread)
Chicken salad (with mayo)
Grilled chicken salad with Caesar dressing.
KFC fried chicken breast
I’m not sure how your having trouble getting past 2000 calories eating clean even on a low carb diet.
Dunno, just not much of an appetite anymore.
KFC stuff is considered clean?
mcnulty:
try them both coconut milk or coconut oil. some people report getting leaner while SUBSTITUTING coconut oil for others types. I used coconut milk in coffee for a while, but I prefer unsweetened almond milk for shakes and coffees now.