[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Constitution, not constitution.
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Not to be confused with the Constitution. Note also that whereas there were marines defending the Guerriere, there were Marines defending the Constitution. Hence the Constitution prevailed.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol
A fine firearm. I own the Custom II. It’s black, also, so it’s especially dangerous. For the money, you really can’t beat it. [/quote]
Picked up a Grand raptor II today. it’s pretty sweet.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol
A fine firearm. I own the Custom II. It’s black, also, so it’s especially dangerous. For the money, you really can’t beat it.
The Kimbers are awesome. I should buy one.
Right now I’m having a custom Paraordnance P-14.45 built. I’m anxious to get it back from the smith.[/quote]
Very nice pieces push. I got my first today after some good recommendations from guys I trust. One thing though, they’re a bitch to get back together. I’ve been shooting glocks and a springfield XD and have gotten spoiled in disassembly and such.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol
A fine firearm. I own the Custom II. It’s black, also, so it’s especially dangerous. For the money, you really can’t beat it.
The Kimbers are awesome. I should buy one.
Right now I’m having a custom Paraordnance P-14.45 built. I’m anxious to get it back from the smith.
Very nice pieces push. I got my first today after some good recommendations from guys I trust. One thing though, they’re a bitch to get back together. I’ve been shooting glocks and a springfield XD and have gotten spoiled in disassembly and such.
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My carry piece is a Springfield XD40 Subcompact. Nice little piece. I thought I’d hate it due to my distaste for glocks, but I love this thing. I stay away from the 1911’s because they feel too skinny in my hand. My wife carries a kel-tec P3AT. It’s not bad either if you spend $10 and get the trigger and mag boots.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol
A fine firearm. I own the Custom II. It’s black, also, so it’s especially dangerous. For the money, you really can’t beat it.
The Kimbers are awesome. I should buy one.
Right now I’m having a custom Paraordnance P-14.45 built. I’m anxious to get it back from the smith.
Very nice pieces push. I got my first today after some good recommendations from guys I trust. One thing though, they’re a bitch to get back together. I’ve been shooting glocks and a springfield XD and have gotten spoiled in disassembly and such.
My carry piece is a Springfield XD40 Subcompact. Nice little piece. I thought I’d hate it due to my distaste for glocks, but I love this thing. I stay away from the 1911’s because they feel too skinny in my hand. My wife carries a kel-tec P3AT. It’s not bad either if you spend $10 and get the trigger and mag boots.
mike[/quote]
I bought a used SA XD compact a while back and love it. It shoots well, feels good in the hand and will eat up any ammo.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu, I have repeatedly stated that I am not a labour supporter. I don’t care that the mail is the second highest read paper, that means nothing. The sun has the highest readership and it is equally crap. The only difference is that the mail takes itself seriously whereas the Sun knows that it is a comic.
Come on now, the Sun’s page three uncovers a very serious subject everyday.
The girls in the Sun are not even that attractive most days. It did used to brighten up my paper round when I was a kid though. [/quote]
Somehow they did seem much hotter when I was 17, I’ll concede to you on that point.
Journalistic standards in Britain are poor. Just the typographical and grammatical errors that I see are appalling considering they are in professionally produced publications that are made in the birthplace of the English language.
I have seen the BBC do exactly what you are accusing The Mail of. About two years ago they did a story about Switzerland and the use of firearms to commit suicide. They made a big deal of the US and Switzerland are ranked 1st and 2nd for suicide rates using guns.
The impression they tried to give is the US and Switzerland have the worlds highest suicide rates because of guns. Something which I thoroughly debunked earlier in this thread. The US is just a little higher than Britain and there are over forty countries with higher suicide rates most of which have strict gun control laws.
Then there are the very rare incidents of school killings. Anytime one happens in a school and a gun is used it is trumpeted in the worldwide press. This is pure sensationalism.
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Here is a good example of how absurdly easy it is to get the British accusing people of racism or xenophobia.
A gypsy camp is like a poor mans trailer park, yet when a village police force pointed out that building one in the village would cause an increase in crime they were accused of racism.
The problem is that the letter was racist by the definition of the law.
Just change the word Gypsy to Muslim or Black and you will see why. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t want a travellers camp at the foot of my garden, when I was growing up we had real problems with illegal travellers camps in the area. My views on this are racist because I am stereotyping a whole group of people by the actions of some members of the group. [/quote]
It is a goddamn trailer park. Everyone knows what trailer parks are like. Those Gypsy/Traveller camps are even worse because the people in them are transients.
Three of my grandparents are Irish but I would never think to accuse someone of being a racist for complaining they didn’t want to be forced to allow an Irish travellers encampment in their backyard or on their street because of the increased crime. Because I am honest enough to admit that some of those travellers are shady as hell.
So you need to drop the sanctimonious bullshit.
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Here is another one. Where the man calling everyone who doesn’t want a gypsy/travlers camp in their backyard a racist lives in a manor house at the end of a private road.
How the views of 3,100 middle England residents on gipsy camps were rejected… because they were deemed ‘racist’
I have no problem in believing that 3,100 middle England residents do hold extremely racist views. I grew up in Hertfordshire which is right next to Bedfordshire and I spent a fair amount of time in Bedfordshire. I used to compete in one day eventing in Potton which is mentioned in this article. And I am comfortable that were I to sit down with the people quoted in the article and have chat with them, within 5-10 minutes they would be expressing views that everyone on here would see as racist. [/quote]
While I have no problem believing that the British left will label even the slightest dissent to their racial agenda as extreme racism. The prevailing mentality amongst you cunts is “if you disagree with me you are no better than Hitler”.
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Unlike you I follow what is going on in Britain. The BNP has made significant gains in the most recent elections. They might very well put take a seat in the European parliamentary elections this year. So I am following what they are up to. Why not?
Again you have accused the Mail of hateful racism but you have yet to provide one example so we can see for ourselves what it is exactly that has brought this terrible accusation on them.
You liberals would do very well to study the story of the boy who called wolf.
The BNP has links to extremist racism, they publish literature telling the Darkies to go home, they also have links to football hooliaganism. [/quote]
They have modified their positions and changed a lot of their rhetoric. In this world there are other political parties that have histories of racism and violence that dwarf anything the BNP has ever done but they changed and today they are darlings of the left praised for championing equality.
Be honest the whole country has links to football hooliganism.
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On to the Mail
Here’s a nice little story about how the cuddly cosy daily mail decided to ditch a story about the anguishing rape of a 39 year old woman because she was black.
“The piece was shown to another executive whose response was that the victim, 39 and unmarried, must have been desperate for sex anyway and must have fantasised about being raped”.
I’ll give you another example, compare the headlines in the mail and the independent to the release of a government report on migration.
The mail lead with:
“Influx of immigrants costs every UK household £350 a year”.
The independent went with a slightly less inflamatory:
“Home Office: migrants work harder, earn more and pay more taxes than Britons”. [/quote]
That’s because the Mail was telling the truth while the Independent was merely passing on NuLiebour party propaganda which was thoroughly debunked as lies.
Immigrants are costing the country a fortune. They go to the front of the line for council housing as soon as they get off of the boat. There are schools that have so many immigrant children who can’t read or write English that the teachers are so busy trying to get them up to speed that they can’t teach the English kids.
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How about a list of 80 headlines written to cast a negative view on the poles? [/quote]
Now you are being deliberately disingenuous. Labour deliberately chose not to put a limit on the number of Poles who could come to Britain. They said that at most there would only be no more than 13,000 a year who came to Britain. So there was no need to sign up to a treaty limiting them like the Germans and French did. The way it turned out is in the first 2 years Britain received over a million.
Labour also lied that the Poles are ignorant, uneducated and only able to do the most menial of manual Labour that the British wouldn’t do, so they were only a benefit to the British.
The reality is the Poles are not just ignorant, uneducated, menials. They are plumbers, electricians, carpenters, masons, mechanics, engineers, computer scientists, people with job skills. People who have been able to bring down wages in a slew of high paying professions because they will work for a lot less than their British counterparts.
The titles of many of these articles you have picked show that to be true.
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18-5-06 The New Slave Trade
19-5-06 Are Young Polish Workers Robbing their Country of its Future?
23-8-06 How Many More Immigrants can Britain take?
7-11-06 Britain is Country of Choice for many “Feckless” Poles
8-11-06 Polish Borat claims Groping Women is Normal in Eastern Europe
2-12-06 5000 Polish Babies born in UK every year
12-1-07 Bank to Woo Polish Immigrants with Bilingual Branches
2-2-07 One in Five of UK Home Buyers are Polish
8-2-07 Six Million Immigrants Descend on Britain
12-2-07 The True Number of Poles living in Britain - 600,000
12-2-07 Bosses choosing Committed Foreign Workers over “lazy British”, says CBI
24-2-07 Poles Warn: We’ll deport Brits who fall ill
11-3-07 Pole Chancers: Exclusive Fake Charity from Gdansk make a Fortune Ripping
off Big-Hearted Scots
13-3-07 How Poland is Struggling to Plug the Leaks
13-3-07 Why 10m Britons will be from a Minority by 2027
30-3-07 Heinz means Tripe to Poles pining for Home
31-3-07 British Workers Priced out by Wave of Low-Paid Migrants
8-4-07 Brothers May Face Trial over Polish Con
9-4-07 Poachers Beware! Flak Jacket Squad Rule Riverside (inset picture shows reprimanded Pole)
3-5-07 The Superloo where Polish Migrants are Fighting to Spend the Night for 20p
3-5-07 Revealed: Immigrants Swell Population of British Towns by 10pc
14-5-07 Government stats: Disbelief at the Great Migrant Con
20-5-07 What About the Missing Migrants? (Instigated by Jose Mourinho’s missing dog)
23-5-07 Please Come Home, Poland begs its Builders
28-5-07 1 in 4 Eastern Bloc Migrants wants to stay here for Good
7-6-07 East European Influx could Trigger Race Riots in Villages
14-6-07 Teenagers Could be told to Bond with Immigrants
19-6-07 Polish Cleaner to be Brilliant Concert Pianist
19-6-07 Polish Workers denied Jobs because they can’t Speak Polish
20-6-07 Polish Homosexuals facing Persecution in Exodus to UK
22-6-07 Poland’s Nazi Taunt inflames EU Summit
23-6-07 Polish Premier’s Attack on Germans show the Wounds still Fester
25-6-07 East Europe Migrants bring Surge in Pickpocketing Crime
28-6-07 Polish Immigrants take £1bn out of the UK economy
05-7-07 We’re never going home…300,000 Polish Migrants Plan to Stay
Permanently in UK
17-7-07 Wanted by Police, Polish Speakers to Answer 999 Calls
29-7-07 Biggest Threat to Britain’s Carp is Eastern European Migrants
02-8-07 Eastern Europeans Cause 15% of Fatal Accidents on Rural Roads
08-8-07 Three Dead as Bus Taking Polish Workers to Britain Crashes
10-8-07 Widow Fills out Husband’s Death Certificate - Because Polish Doctor could
not Speak English
11-8-07 Crack Open the Vodka…It’s a Pub for the Poles
14-8-07 More than 8000 Eastern Europeans arrive in Britain Every Day
14-8-07 Eastern European’s Roads are the Most Dangerous on the Continent
14-8-07 Foreigners Commit 20% of Crime in London, says Police
03-9-07 Eastern European Immigrants with Cancer could Swamp the NHS
16-9-07 Migrants sending more than £1m Child Benefits to Eastern Europe every
Month
19-9-07 If the BBC’s worried about Immigration, can we have an Honest Debate
about it?
20-9-07 Peterborough: A City Crumbling under Pressure from Immigration
29-9-07 Revealed: the Racial Tensions behind Slovak Mother’s Pipe Attack on Boy
30-9-07 MPs fear C4 Documentary on the Cost of Immigrants will fuel Race Hatred
4-10-07 Ring-Road Tramp who’s become a Cult Hero thanks to Facebook
8-10-07 Sainsbury’s says Immigrants have “Better Work Ethic” than Britons
11-10-07 Immigrants here for Good: Half of Poles Plans to Stay in UK
17-10-07 Influx of Immigrants costs Every UK Household £350 a Year
17-10-07 Many Immigrants earning more than their British Counterparts
26-10-07 Top of Class in England - but Polish Boy Goes Home for Better Education
26-10-07 Immigration Influx from Eastern Europe is Driving Down Wages
31-10-07 Migrant Jobs Fiasco: Official Estimate Goes from 800,000 to 1.5m in 24 hrs
1-11-07 Revealed: the Shocking True Cost of Immigration
2-11-07 Pizza Worker taped Boss Sacking Him because “Poles are Cheaper”,
Tribunal hears
16-11-07 Half a Million Migrants pour into Britain in a Year, but 200,000 Leave
20-11-07 Warning Signs go up to stop Poles Stealing River Fish for Christmas Dinner
20-11-07 Revealed: 750,000 Migrants from Eastern Europe have come to work in
Britain in just 3 Years
26-11-07 Waking up to the Reality of Migration
26-11-07 Polish Baby Boom: Fears for NHS & Schools as 1000 Polish children are
born every Month
9-12-07 Bosses pick “Diligent” Poles ahead of British Workers
11-12-07 80% of new Jobs have gone to Migrants since Labour came to Power
11-12-07 Drive-In Dentists: Chain will hire Eastern European Staff to Offer Cut-Price
Treatment
26-12-07 Poland Sends a Private Plane a Month to get back Criminals who have fled
to UK
30-12-07 Skilled and Highly Motivated Poles push British Graduates to back of the
Jobs Queue
4.1.8 Poles Working in Britain send Home Record £1.8bn to their Families
10.1.8 Immigrant Pupil Numbers rise 50% since 2005, with 20,000 joining last year
14.1.8 Britain has to Build 2 Million new Homes - Just to Cope with Growing Numbers of Immigrants
16.1.8 Don’t Blame the Immigrants - It’s British Children who are Trouble in Class
18.1.8 One in Every 4 Poles in Britain plans to Stay, says Survey
20.1.8 As Poles Flood into Britain, the Story of the Family who went in the
Opposite Direction
29.1.8 Polish Migrants Living in Britain claiming £21m. in Child Benefits for
Children left behind
7.2.8 Chief Constables Called to Crisis Summit with Jacqui Smith on Immigrant
Crimewave
13.2.8 More than 860 Immigrants Enter Britain Every Day
16.2.8 Now Poles begin Mass Desertion of Britain as Soaring Prices send them
Home
Of course this is not new, what about a headline from 1938
?The way stateless Jews from Germany are pouring in from every port of this country is becoming an outrage the number of aliens entering the country through back door a problem to which the Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed? Daily Mail,20 August 1938. [/quote]
Of course you have conveniently chosen to ignore how the government at that time was also preventing Jewish refugees from returning to their ancestral homeland in British mandated Palestine. Do I need to remind you how that turned out?
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Or go back further ?They fought, they jostled to the foremost places at the gangways… When the Relief Committee passed by they hid their gold and fawned and whined in broken English asked for money for their train fare.? This is the Daily Mail, February 3rd writing about Jewish immigrants in 1900. [/quote]
So now are going to apply 21st century values to a newspaper article that was written in the 19th century. You forgot to point out that the reason for the Jewish migration was because Queen Victoria’s grandson Czar Nicholas pogroms were driving large numbers of Jews out of Russia and into the western countries.
Those Russian Jews were not exactly popular anywhere. Even the German Jews were not happy about their increasing numbers. Because the German Jews were assimilated into the German culture and looked like they belonged. Unlike the Orthodox Russian Jews looked like they just stepped out of the bible.
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Or how about the mail’s support for Oswald Mosley ?Hurrah for the Black Shirts?. [/quote]
That was over 60 years ago. There has been a lot of changes in this world over the last 60 years.
And the Duke of Windsor was also an admirer of Hitler. Rudolf Hess flew to England because Churchill’s operatives had convinced him that British aristocrats were willing to meet with him. Hess knew a lot about the British aristocracy that is why the British refused to allow Hess release from Spandau prison and why they probably killed him.
Old news. But it shows just how much Christianity is under attack from the left.
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If you want a real laugh, just do a search on the Mail’s website for the word Muslim. Nice example of balanced reporting!
UK Home | Daily Mail Online [/quote]
What exactly is the problem? Muslims do a lot of fucked up things. Do you think we should remain silent to injustice and hatred?
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.[/quote]
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here.
It is illegal to not pay your taxes. The good guys pay taxes. The bad guys don’t pay their taxes.
It is illegal to have cocaine. The good guys stay away from cocaine. Bad guys have cocaine.
It is illegal to rape. The good guys don’t rape. Bad guys rape.
It is illegal to steal. The good guys don’t steal. Bad guys steal.
Can we extrapolate that if it were to be illegal to own a gun, that good guys would give up their guns, and that bad guys would keep their guns? Or would the gangsters say “oh fuck they’re illegal now! Our bad, here you go!”
[quote]Sifu wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here. [/quote]
But I wouldn’t waste my time here as much. I call my reps and other politicians let them know my opinion. I talk to citizens here about gun laws. I’m a life NRA member. I support the local gun economy. I belong to three different ranges, even though I have access to private land to hunt and shoot on.
I take my kids shooting and hunting and talk to them about the whys of the 2nd amendment. They here my side of the stories and our learning not to fall for that crap.
It’s going to do a lot more than argue with some British twat who says he wants to understand , but just wants to argue.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here.
But I wouldn’t waste my time here as much. I call my reps and other politicians let them know my opinion. I talk to citizens here about gun laws. I’m a life NRA member. I support the local gun economy. I belong to three different ranges, even though I have access to private land to hunt and shoot on.
I take my kids shooting and hunting and talk to them about the whys of the 2nd amendment. They here my side of the stories and our learning not to fall for that crap.
It’s going to do a lot more than argue with some British twat who says he wants to understand , but just wants to argue.
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But, theoretically, there are young minds (not yet twats) who may be reading Sifu’s posts and getting an alternative viewpoint that they aren’t getting from mainstream liberal media.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here.
But I wouldn’t waste my time here as much. I call my reps and other politicians let them know my opinion. I talk to citizens here about gun laws. I’m a life NRA member. I support the local gun economy. I belong to three different ranges, even though I have access to private land to hunt and shoot on.
I take my kids shooting and hunting and talk to them about the whys of the 2nd amendment. They here my side of the stories and our learning not to fall for that crap.
It’s going to do a lot more than argue with some British twat who says he wants to understand , but just wants to argue.
But, theoretically, there are young minds (not yet twats) who may be reading Sifu’s posts and getting an alternative viewpoint that they aren’t getting from mainstream liberal media.[/quote]
Very true to a degree. I just think you can get more done with what you do in your day to day life. I have a new receptionist who voted for Obama. I don’t give her grief about it, but will talk about some gun laws and such and why the NRA has opposed them.
When we talk about day to day stuff,I’ll explain some of this. she agrees with me. When the next anti gun thing comes up, I’ll explain the whys to her and ask her to call our local congressman. and I’m sure she’ll do it.
But this argument goes back and forth and back and forth to no end. the guys that no guns like guns. thos ethat have never been around them might be 50/50. what we say won’t do as much as getting a non shooter out shooting.
Mike Dillon or some other guy from the Dillon press, their catalog, just wrote an article about getting a non shooter out shooting. Having someone experience markmanship and shoot an AR 15 or Glock, or hunting rifle, teaching them gun safety and basic marksmanship will do a tremendous amount of work towards our goals.
Arguing with some internet douchebag transplanted from England to Mexico just won’t accomplish as much. IMO.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Journalistic standards in Britain are poor. Just the typographical and grammatical errors that I see are appalling considering they are in professionally produced publications that are made in the birthplace of the English language.
I have seen the BBC do exactly what you are accusing The Mail of. About two years ago they did a story about Switzerland and the use of firearms to commit suicide. They made a big deal of the US and Switzerland are ranked 1st and 2nd for suicide rates using guns.
The impression they tried to give is the US and Switzerland have the worlds highest suicide rates because of guns. Something which I thoroughly debunked earlier in this thread. The US is just a little higher than Britain and there are over forty countries with higher suicide rates most of which have strict gun control laws.
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I couldn’t agree with you more, I have seen the standards in the Times drop like a stone in the time that I have been reading it and the changes at the BBC are disgraceful especially when you consider that it is publicly funded. They have been censured for bad journalism on several occasions over the last couple of years.
I also agree concede the point that if someone wants to kill themselves they will just grab the tool at hand. If they have a gun, it will be a gun, if not, they will lock themselves in their garage or whatever.
This I don’t agree with so much, someone taking a gun and shooting up a school is horrific and is news and will be reported worldwide. To blame the guns is wrong I have not blamed the guns. The issue is the attitude to guns, this is what is different in the US than in some other countries with liberal gun laws.
Just because a sterotype is accurate for a percentage of a population doesn’t stop it being a stereotype. If that stereotype is based on race then it is racist by definition. It’s not sanctimonious bullshit. I have admited that my feelings about pikeys are racist. There is also a valid argument that sterotypes actually cause groups to conform to the stereotype which causes a vicious circle.
The Daily Mail is a hateful paper. It always has been. If you can’t see that then you really need to take a look at yourself. Especially given your support for the BNP which is a group which openly admits that it is racist.
Which just goes to show how little you actually know Britain. The prevailing attitude in middle aged middle England is that the darkies and the polaks are taking all the jobs and all Arabs are hateful people trying to blow us up. This is fanned by groups like the BNP and papers like the Daily Mail.
So I gave you several hundred examples and you still can’t see it?
[quote]The BNP has links to extremist racism, they publish literature telling the Darkies to go home, they also have links to football hooliaganism.
They have modified their positions and changed a lot of their rhetoric. In this world there are other political parties that have histories of racism and violence that dwarf anything the BNP has ever done but they changed and today they are darlings of the left praised for championing equality.
Be honest the whole country has links to football hooliganism.
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The BNP has got some people doing PR spin to try and get their hate mongerers elected to positions where their true colours can shine. The quotes I listed are from their leader. If McCaine was saying things like that during the election would you have been saying that the Republican party has changed their position?
I see you didn’t comment on this by the way.
Here’s a nice little story about how the cuddly cosy daily mail decided to ditch a story about the anguishing rape of a 39 year old woman because she was black.
“The piece was shown to another executive whose response was that the victim, 39 and unmarried, must have been desperate for sex anyway and must have fantasised about being raped”.
No it wasn’t, they were given the same data and they spun it differently. The Independent is not a big labour supporter. And the Mail was printing the same type of stories when the Tories were in power. Seriously get a clue.
Imigrants do not go to the front of the queue. That is nonsense, I take it you took that from a Daily Mail headline.
Yes there are some inner city schools with problems, mainly due to underfunding.
Wow, now you are talking rubbish, Labour chose to follow through with the spirit of European Union. Poland was accepted into the Union and there is a free right to travel and work within the Union.
In fact, this is no different to a few years back when British construction workers were making really good money working in Germany.
Actually, the cost of plumbers was being held artifically high by the lack of skilled plumbers in the UK. For several years the government was investing in apprenticeships to try to get young Brits to move into this area, they failed so the workforce came from somewhere else.
Are you a communist? Are you against capitalism? There is a free market, there was a demand for plumbers, Polish plumbers have provided the supply.
The difference is that the government has moved away from a racist mandate. The Daily Mail however sticks with that mandate.
No, I am just demonstrating that the Mail has always been a xenophobic paper, this resonates with a certain group of Brits who are still stuck with attitudes from the last century. It also appears to resonate with a certain American flag waving BNP supporting milita member.
In some areas yes, but evidently not in others.
British Royal family in racist shocker.
Wow, that is your only response? I take it because you actually have no argument.
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If you want a real laugh, just do a search on the Mail’s website for the word Muslim. Nice example of balanced reporting!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?searchPhrase=Muslim
What exactly is the problem? Muslims do a lot of fucked up things. Do you think we should remain silent to injustice and hatred? [/quote]
No which is why I am calling you out as a racist. If you had written ‘Some fucked up people who are also muslims do a lot of fucked up things.’ then I would have no issue with what you said. The same is also true of any other religion you choose and also atheists.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
THIS IS BETTER THAN AN ARREST
Posted to Craig’s List Personals:
To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah )
I was the white guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend’s purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I’d like to apologize.
I didn’t expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn’t that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It’s a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn’t it?
I know it probably wasn’t a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you’d come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I’m sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn’t have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or “Momma” as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go’s, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster.
I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They’ll be on your bill in case you’d like to know which ones Alltel recently shut down the line, and I’ve only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don’t know what’s going on with that. I hope they haven’t permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA’s office with it. Oh well.
So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I’d like to make it up to you. I’m sure you’ve already washed your pants, so I’d like to help you out. I’d like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I’d also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I’m hoping that you’ll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky. If you read this message, email me and we’ll do lunch and laundry. Peace!
Apocryphal but still pretty funny
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here.
But I wouldn’t waste my time here as much. I call my reps and other politicians let them know my opinion. I talk to citizens here about gun laws. I’m a life NRA member. I support the local gun economy. I belong to three different ranges, even though I have access to private land to hunt and shoot on.
I take my kids shooting and hunting and talk to them about the whys of the 2nd amendment. They here my side of the stories and our learning not to fall for that crap.
It’s going to do a lot more than argue with some British twat who says he wants to understand , but just wants to argue.
But, theoretically, there are young minds (not yet twats) who may be reading Sifu’s posts and getting an alternative viewpoint that they aren’t getting from mainstream liberal media.
Very true to a degree. I just think you can get more done with what you do in your day to day life. I have a new receptionist who voted for Obama. I don’t give her grief about it, but will talk about some gun laws and such and why the NRA has opposed them.
When we talk about day to day stuff,I’ll explain some of this. she agrees with me. When the next anti gun thing comes up, I’ll explain the whys to her and ask her to call our local congressman. and I’m sure she’ll do it.
But this argument goes back and forth and back and forth to no end. the guys that no guns like guns. thos ethat have never been around them might be 50/50. what we say won’t do as much as getting a non shooter out shooting.
Mike Dillon or some other guy from the Dillon press, their catalog, just wrote an article about getting a non shooter out shooting. Having someone experience markmanship and shoot an AR 15 or Glock, or hunting rifle, teaching them gun safety and basic marksmanship will do a tremendous amount of work towards our goals.
Arguing with some internet douchebag transplanted from England to Mexico just won’t accomplish as much. IMO.
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Is it very true or true to a degree? The meaning is different.
Also, I have experience of shooting. I used to shoot in competition (I was pretty good.) I enjoy shooting. And if I lived in an area that it was possible I would probably hunt.
That is totally different from carrying a gun for self defence. Two totally separate issues and I think that the gun lobby in the US probably suffers from mixing the two together.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Why argue with his fool? He only wants to argue, not learn as he so often has stated.
Because I have family in the UK and they are stuck suffering under laws created by idiots like him.
Also there are idiots like him in this country who look at some of the countries in Europe, see they have low crime and assume it must be because they are doing something better than us. Instead of realizing that these are different societies with different internal mechanisms.
There is also the fact that the US is getting compared to countries that are a fraction of the size. If you have an affluent country the size of Switzerland with a fairly homogeneous people who get along with each other, it is a lot easier to maintain a peaceful society.
So that is why I bother. Because the European mentality of a highly controlled and defenseless society being a superior society is making it’s way across the Atlantic. That’s why we shouldn’t just ignore other countries. We need to challenge that attitude otherwise we are going to lose what we have here. [/quote]
But this goes against all of your arguments. You have been stating that the reason crime is on the up in Europe and the reason that the government is weak is draconian gun control. But if the argument is reversed then you state that it cannot be applicable.
You have also stated on other posts that people are people regardless. So which is it? Does the country dictate which laws are relevent or is the American way best for everyone? You can’t have it both ways.
I have not kept up with this thread because I find the Politics forum infuriating. However, I’m listening to John Lott on Coast to Coast AM and he brought up the shootings in Pearl, Mississippi.
The assistant principle, a Marine, went and fetched his gun out of his truck and held the shooter until the police arrived. How come we never hear about the inherent defensive capability of personal arms?
Yes, it is easier to kill with a gun than without. Sometimes people need killed.
[quote]conorh wrote:
I have not kept up with this thread because I find the Politics forum infuriating. However, I’m listening to John Lott on Coast to Coast AM and he brought up the shootings in Pearl, Mississippi.
The assistant principle, a Marine, went and fetched his gun out of his truck and held the shooter until the police arrived. How come we never hear about the inherent defensive capability of personal arms?
Yes, it is easier to kill with a gun than without. Sometimes people need killed.[/quote]
Yep. you will never here in the mass media about a law abiding citizen stopping a shooting or crime with a firearm. The NRA magazine can give you hundreds of stories from local newspapers, but you won’t hear them.
It doesn’t fit their agenda. There are positives lately. Check back in this thread for a linked article by Michael Barone. He goes on to say how he was wrong in his initial thoughts over 20 years ago on carry permits.
And I agree with you about this forum. I’ll post a little and check it for some info, but the back and forth is ridiculous and doesn’t change any minds. Of course I see this in every forum, whether it be football or lifting or whatever.
In real life there is danger and social pressure if you don’t know when to shut the fuck up. You can get your lights punched out, banned from the local watering hole, or just ignored and end up with no one to argue with.
Most of the lengthy arguments would eb better served by people gettign involved locally in their cause.