the half life of test e is 10.5 days. you can pin once a week with it like most other sites recommend, you dont have to mess with shooting e3d…
it takes 3-4 weeks to build up in your system enough anyways. so whats the point shooting so often?
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days. [/quote]
Is it??
Where did all of you first time posters come from tonight?
real constructive post there bro. i’m just trying to understand why your protocols are different from else where in the community
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days. you can pin once a week with it like most other sites recommend, you dont have to mess with shooting e3d…
it takes 3-4 weeks to build up in your system enough anyways. so whats the point shooting so often?
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dont want to contradict your extensive research here, but
the world where I will have mood swings and bloating and all that good stuff if shot once a weekand then mon and thursday injects actually calm the sides quite a bit.
also, I know everyone says it takes a month to build up in your system.
I feel it within a week and in 2 weeks im in in full swing.
dont listen to bro knowledge and scientifical crap.
listen to your elders and do as your told.
and you are being told EOD or E3D is best.
so whats the point?
point is it works its that simple.
Injecting with such a low frequency is plainly irresponsible. Wildly fluctuating test levels mean:
1)Wildly fluctuating test levels (obviously)
2)It’s very hard to dose your ancillaries correctly, therefore causing wildly fluctuating everything-levels.
Make no mistake about it, mood swings, “roid rage”, impotence, depression, poor libido, gyno, and all of the other “sides” are made near-impossible to avoid if you aren’t injecting with a suitable fgrequency.
It’s common TRT practise here to inject 1ml sust 250 ONCE PER MONTH. No wonder patients are getting pissed off!
I’d love to do some bona-fide research on this one day, as I truely suspect that test itself does NOT cause any sort of aggression or moodiness at all. It’s just dodgy injection protocols.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
listen to your elders and do as your told.
and you are being told EOD or E3D is best.
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LOL get him!
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
Injecting with such a low frequency is plainly irresponsible. Wildly fluctuating test levels mean:
1)Wildly fluctuating test levels (obviously)
2)It’s very hard to dose your ancillaries correctly, therefore causing wildly fluctuating everything-levels.
Make no mistake about it, mood swings, “roid rage”, impotence, depression, poor libido, gyno, and all of the other “sides” are made near-impossible to avoid if you aren’t injecting with a suitable fgrequency.
It’s common TRT practise here to inject 1ml sust 250 ONCE PER MONTH. No wonder patients are getting pissed off!
I’d love to do some bona-fide research on this one day, as I truely suspect that test itself does NOT cause any sort of aggression or moodiness at all. It’s just dodgy injection protocols.[/quote]
Nicely stated.
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
real constructive post there bro. i’m just trying to understand why your protocols are different from else where in the community[/quote]
You’ll have to show me these places in the community where 1 shot a week is a common practice.
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days.
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Its actually ~5days.
And at 5 days, that means that 1/2 of the previous shot has cleared your system by the end of the 5th day. Now if injecting EOD or E3D, blood levels remain much more stable.
The commonly accpeted understanding of a products half life is number of carbon atoms in the ester x.7
So Enanthate is 7 carbons x.7 = 4.9 half life. This is the reason most guys try to hit Enanthate every 3-4 days. You want to reinject prior to hitting your half life point so the blood saturation levels stay the same.
Its why Ace and Prop with 2 and 3 carbons respectively are hit either ED for Ace [1.4] or EOD for Prop [2.1]. Some guys even do Prop ED. Its also the reason why using something like Deca and its 10 carbons you could conceivably hit that just once a week. Though in living practice must guys are hitting Deca more than every 7 days
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[quote]saps wrote:
The commonly accpeted understanding of a products half life is number of carbon atoms in the ester x.7
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Agreed, when considering a straight (n-) chain ester. AKA Phenylprop ester would not follow this formula.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
saps wrote:
The commonly accpeted understanding of a products half life is number of carbon atoms in the ester x.7
Agreed, when considering a straight (n-) chain ester. AKA Phenylprop ester would not follow this formula.[/quote]
Excellent point there npp is usually an EOD
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days.
Its actually ~5days.[/quote]
there are places which say it’s 5 days and places which cite 10.5, neither reference any sort of study or official article, and neither have you
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days.
Its actually ~5days.
there are places which say it’s 5 days and places which cite 10.5, neither reference any sort of study or official article, and neither have you
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Look up fluphenazine enanthate in some sort of research database, you will find some material documenting what myself and Saps have said.
Ahh you’re lucky I am bored enough to play this game.
http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/4/432
“Mean half-life estimates for testosterone-enanthate and dihydrotestosterone were 5 and 7 days, respectively.”
here are articles referencing 4.5 days as the half life for enanthate
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
– from above article —
Shorter chain esters have shorter half-lives, because of their lower partition coefficient. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days5, the enanthate ester has a half-life of 4 days6, and nandrolone decanoate has a half-life of 8 days7. These figures are only approximate. The difference between these values for cypionate and enanthate probably includes difference attributable to different measuring techniques. The actual difference is probably not more than two days.
In the rat, where half-lives of anabolic steroid esters are similar to those in humans but somewhat shorter, the half-lives of the phenylpropionate, decanoate, and laurate esters are 1, 5, and 10 days respectively.3 The same trend would be expected in man.
those numbers in the paragraph after the ‘days’ go to a bibliography, something i was looking for.
[quote]Cryptix wrote:
egnatiosj wrote:
Cryptix wrote:
the half life of test e is 10.5 days.
Its actually ~5days.
there are places which say it’s 5 days and places which cite 10.5, neither reference any sort of study or official article, and neither have you
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Fair enough then. Do you think you are going to find a medical journal stating the optimal injection frequency for illicit drugs? You can go by what endocrinologists say to do and see how it works out. Then you can do it the right way and see if it’s any better. If you came and made a post with some sort of legitimate claim as to why you think other sources of information are superior to the info here that would be fine. An educated debate could follow that. Just telling us that other places disagree with the way things are done here is not productive at all and is, frankly, a complete waste of time.
Are you done here? Because it is obvious that you came here to start an argument and do so in confrontational manner. We don’t need this sort of nonsense here.
don’t get all defensive just because i wanted proof, i was willing to go either way on the topic.
Well, technically he is asking for the clearance rate of an ester, which is used utilized by many other drugs as well. As I said before fluphenazine is typically of esterified with enanthate. In any case, I understand what you meant.