Mayweather is way too quick for Duran in his prime.
People underrate Duran as a boxer because of the intensity he brought to the ring, he was trained by one of the best trainers of all times though: Ray Arcel. I think he’d beat Mayweather because he’d be dictating the action, landing the big shots, and pushing Mayweather back into a defensive shell. Not to mention that Mayweather doesn’t hit hard enough to stop Duran.
I see some people brought up the second Leonard fight to show Duran would get frustrated, not so much. Leonard knew Duran was out of shape and would have a hard time making weight, not to mention that SRL is a much better boxer than Mayweather and wouldn’t be showboating like SRL.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
People underrate Duran as a boxer because of the intensity he brought to the ring, he was trained by one of the best trainers of all times though: Ray Arcel. I think he’d beat Mayweather because he’d be dictating the action, landing the big shots, and pushing Mayweather back into a defensive shell. Not to mention that Mayweather doesn’t hit hard enough to stop Duran.
I see some people brought up the second Leonard fight to show Duran would get frustrated, not so much. Leonard knew Duran was out of shape and would have a hard time making weight, not to mention that SRL is a much better boxer than Mayweather and wouldn’t be showboating like SRL.
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The one element that SRL also had that Mayweather doesn’t- serious fucking power.
He knocked Tommy Hearns out, landed bombs that backed Duran up… just because he was named “Sugar” didn’t mean he couldn’t bang with the best of them. That’s what kept Duran off- movement, and POWER. SRL fought as high as middlweight, which is a pipe dream for Mayweather.
Mayweather, on the other hand, would not be able to make Duran respect him. He would charge right through Mayweather’s right hand and left hook, and then hit him with shots that would shake buildings.
I think a fighter like Duran was truly a foil for Mayweather.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
People underrate Duran as a boxer because of the intensity he brought to the ring, he was trained by one of the best trainers of all times though: Ray Arcel. I think he’d beat Mayweather because he’d be dictating the action, landing the big shots, and pushing Mayweather back into a defensive shell. Not to mention that Mayweather doesn’t hit hard enough to stop Duran.
I see some people brought up the second Leonard fight to show Duran would get frustrated, not so much. Leonard knew Duran was out of shape and would have a hard time making weight, not to mention that SRL is a much better boxer than Mayweather and wouldn’t be showboating like SRL.
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The one element that SRL also had that Mayweather doesn’t- serious fucking power.
He knocked Tommy Hearns out, landed bombs that backed Duran up… just because he was named “Sugar” didn’t mean he couldn’t bang with the best of them. That’s what kept Duran off- movement, and POWER. SRL fought as high as middlweight, which is a pipe dream for Mayweather.
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Trying to turn this into an SRL love thread FI? 
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
The one element that SRL also had that Mayweather doesn’t- serious fucking power.
He knocked Tommy Hearns out, landed bombs that backed Duran up… just because he was named “Sugar” didn’t mean he couldn’t bang with the best of them. That’s what kept Duran off- movement, and POWER. SRL fought as high as middlweight, which is a pipe dream for Mayweather.
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Trying to turn this into an SRL love thread FI?
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Haha well man I like SRL. But really I liked Duran more. And as much as I respect Floyd, I think that SRL was a far better fighter.
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?[/quote]
Cuz Marg is just a glorified sparring session for Pac and a way for Top Rank to take money away from fans. Only way Marg wins is if he gets a hard shot like Mosely landed on May but finishes the job. Otherwise, Pac will devastate him with speed and movement.
Pac and May (or their management) should grow some balls and fight Paul Williams. Williams will make 147 for the $$$$$$ he’s gonna make.
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?[/quote]
Cuz Marg is just a glorified sparring session for Pac and a way for Top Rank to take money away from fans. Only way Marg wins is if he gets a hard shot like Mosely landed on May but finishes the job. Otherwise, Pac will devastate him with speed and movement.
Pac and May (or their management) should grow some balls and fight Paul Williams. Williams will make 147 for the $$$$$$ he’s gonna make.[/quote]
I’m not so sure, word is Pac is looking slow and getting hit too much in sparring. This could be too big of a weight class for him.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Oh yeah, I remember my dad telling me stories about how when Duran was little running the streets of Panama, him and his buddies would take turns hitting eachother in the head with bricks to make eachother tougher. I have no idea if that really happened, but if it did that’s hardcore.[/quote]
I don’t know whether or not that’s true but some fighters have done unconventional things to toughen themselves up. To be honest I think poverty probably toughened him up more than anything.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
People underrate Duran as a boxer because of the intensity he brought to the ring, he was trained by one of the best trainers of all times though: Ray Arcel. I think he’d beat Mayweather because he’d be dictating the action, landing the big shots, and pushing Mayweather back into a defensive shell. Not to mention that Mayweather doesn’t hit hard enough to stop Duran.
I see some people brought up the second Leonard fight to show Duran would get frustrated, not so much. Leonard knew Duran was out of shape and would have a hard time making weight, not to mention that SRL is a much better boxer than Mayweather and wouldn’t be showboating like SRL.
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The one element that SRL also had that Mayweather doesn’t- serious fucking power.
He knocked Tommy Hearns out, landed bombs that backed Duran up… just because he was named “Sugar” didn’t mean he couldn’t bang with the best of them. That’s what kept Duran off- movement, and POWER. SRL fought as high as middlweight, which is a pipe dream for Mayweather.
Mayweather, on the other hand, would not be able to make Duran respect him. He would charge right through Mayweather’s right hand and left hook, and then hit him with shots that would shake buildings.
I think a fighter like Duran was truly a foil for Mayweather.[/quote]
Actually, getting the nickname Sugar is a tremendous honor in boxing. It’s a comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson, and SRR could bang with the best of them even after losing a step. He’s the only fighter to ever stop Jake LaMotta and Jake was one of the most ducked middleweights, his only other loss was stoppage was in a fixed fight so it can’t really count either. Not trying to start a debate but getting that nickname definitely meant you’d power and some boxing skill.
I think a prime Duran could get Mayweather by TKO. Mosley let Mayweather off the hook, not to diminish the ring skills of Mayweather, he did handle the situation well, but Mosley let him slip away. Duran isn’t going to let you off, he’d knock you down then go for the KO right after the mandatory 8. He’d the boxing skills, power, and machismo to do it too.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?[/quote]
Cuz Marg is just a glorified sparring session for Pac and a way for Top Rank to take money away from fans. Only way Marg wins is if he gets a hard shot like Mosely landed on May but finishes the job. Otherwise, Pac will devastate him with speed and movement.
Pac and May (or their management) should grow some balls and fight Paul Williams. Williams will make 147 for the $$$$$$ he’s gonna make.[/quote]
I’m not so sure, word is Pac is looking slow and getting hit too much in sparring. This could be too big of a weight class for him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t take those words very seriously. Not to mention that Marg is still about 170 pounds, was inactive for a year, and looked horrible in his last fight.
I can tell you guys exactly what will happen; Marg is going to be drained coming into the fight so he wont be able to put the pressure on and he already has lost a step. Pac is going to outbox and outwork the faded pressure fighter. Don’t be surprised to see a late round TKO, the pace will be too much for Marg. I think that ironically this fight will be similar to Pac/Cotto.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?[/quote]
= “November Boxing” thread. Nobody gave Margartio a chance, hence no discussion.
Did anyone see Nishioka kick the crap out of Munroe? The best part for me (as usual), was listening to the British commentators talk about a completely different fictional fight in which Munroe had it in the bag.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why aren’t we talking about Marg vs Pacman yet?[/quote]
= “November Boxing” thread. Nobody gave Margartio a chance, hence no discussion.
Did anyone see Nishioka kick the crap out of Munroe? The best part for me (as usual), was listening to the British commentators talk about a completely different fictional fight in which Munroe had it in the bag. [/quote]
They’ve always done that. I think it was the worst during McClellan/Benn. Gerald thoroughly demolished Nigel Benn in the opening round and on the British telecast they were just saying “He’s so brave, heart of a lion!” and made no mention of the inept ref. One commentator even said he tried to push Benn back into the ring before realizing what he was doing.
Supporting your guy is one thing but being completely delusional is a different beast altogether lol.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Actually, getting the nickname Sugar is a tremendous honor in boxing. It’s a comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson, and SRR could bang with the best of them even after losing a step. He’s the only fighter to ever stop Jake LaMotta and Jake was one of the most ducked middleweights, his only other loss was stoppage was in a fixed fight so it can’t really count either. Not trying to start a debate but getting that nickname definitely meant you’d power and some boxing skill.
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Not what I’m saying. You and I know that, but calling a fighter “sugar” to those who don’t know boxing as well might make one think of a very slick fighter not known for devastating power- it doesn’t come out and smack you like calling someone the Hitman does.
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I think a prime Duran could get Mayweather by TKO. Mosley let Mayweather off the hook, not to diminish the ring skills of Mayweather, he did handle the situation well, but Mosley let him slip away. Duran isn’t going to let you off, he’d knock you down then go for the KO right after the mandatory 8. He’d the boxing skills, power, and machismo to do it too.[/quote]
Absolutely.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Actually, getting the nickname Sugar is a tremendous honor in boxing. It’s a comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson, and SRR could bang with the best of them even after losing a step. He’s the only fighter to ever stop Jake LaMotta and Jake was one of the most ducked middleweights, his only other loss was stoppage was in a fixed fight so it can’t really count either. Not trying to start a debate but getting that nickname definitely meant you’d power and some boxing skill.
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Not what I’m saying. You and I know that, but calling a fighter “sugar” to those who don’t know boxing as well might make one think of a very slick fighter not known for devastating power- it doesn’t come out and smack you like calling someone the Hitman does.
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I think a prime Duran could get Mayweather by TKO. Mosley let Mayweather off the hook, not to diminish the ring skills of Mayweather, he did handle the situation well, but Mosley let him slip away. Duran isn’t going to let you off, he’d knock you down then go for the KO right after the mandatory 8. He’d the boxing skills, power, and machismo to do it too.[/quote]
Absolutely.[/quote]
I agree completely. In fact, I’ve converted some boxing fans to older fights and while they do think Ray Robinson has a sweet style they can’t believe a person so vicious has the name lol.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Actually, getting the nickname Sugar is a tremendous honor in boxing. It’s a comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson, and SRR could bang with the best of them even after losing a step. He’s the only fighter to ever stop Jake LaMotta and Jake was one of the most ducked middleweights, his only other loss was stoppage was in a fixed fight so it can’t really count either. Not trying to start a debate but getting that nickname definitely meant you’d power and some boxing skill.
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Not what I’m saying. You and I know that, but calling a fighter “sugar” to those who don’t know boxing as well might make one think of a very slick fighter not known for devastating power- it doesn’t come out and smack you like calling someone the Hitman does.
I remember thinking the same thing LOL.
Since were all here what do ye think of Hearns vs. Mayweather. I ask because I have seen plenty of those “fictional match-ups” across t’internet and they all say Hearns had a style to make Mayweather look good.
Don’t see that at all.
Whenever Floyd needed a knockout, he knocked the guy out. The closest he came to losing a fight was the last one where he got a slight tag on the chin, then he proceeded to dominate. The funny thing about hoping someone undefeated can be beaten is it’s just HOPE. Until someone shows me otherwise he is the best. He’s a few years away from being out of his prime if he goes undefeated during that time I will say that nobody could beat him in his prime. Why? well nobody did.
As for him not fighting the best out there well, they were all on their way to being the best before until fought him. What’s that say? The only reason, people say the other guys fought better competition is because they either a) lost the fight, b) had to overcome losing the fight, or c) just one of those people that think everything was better 50 years ago. Sorry that just doesn’t fly, athletes are stronger, faster, and skillfully honed using the past as education. Evolve, Mayweather is just nice thats it.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Whenever Floyd needed a knockout, he knocked the guy out. The closest he came to losing a fight was the last one where he got a slight tag on the chin, then he proceeded to dominate. The funny thing about hoping someone undefeated can be beaten is it’s just HOPE. Until someone shows me otherwise he is the best. He’s a few years away from being out of his prime if he goes undefeated during that time I will say that nobody could beat him in his prime. Why? well nobody did.
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Lower caliber of fighters.
If you had Hearns, SRL, and Duran fighting at welterweight, he would not be undefeated. Not a chance.
That is, if he chose to actually fight them.
In boxing, training methods are about the same as they were 50 years ago. And Duran is the greatest lightweight in history.
I don’t think that anyone in their right mind would say that Duran did not at least have a solid shot to beat Mayweather.
It would be a much different fight than any one we’ve ever seen Floyd in… maybe if he’d fought Shane five years ago, but even then, Duran is a better fighter than Shane as well.
Hearns would fuck Mayweather up. A big man who knew how to use every inch of his reach, but also had absolutely devastating puncing power.
There’s a reason that Mayweather will NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATE fighting Paul Williams. Now take Paul Williams, give him loaded fists, and teach him to punch straight. That’s Tommy Hearns. It’s possibly the worst fight in the world for Mayweather, way worse than Duran.
And just to round out the top guys from back then, I’ve got SRL absolutely demolishing Mayweather. No matter what. In any circumstance.
The best part is the fighter that all these guys would destroy is the one thats undefeated.