Lots of Duke schlong stroking going on here.
It was a great game. Duke had size but I wouldn’t say they were head and shoulders above Butler in talent.
This shows you how level college athletics is becoming. There are too many athletes and they can’t play at all the most known schools. They transfer or decide to go to different schools based on playing time available.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I acutally think it’s the reverse. Butler had the talent, Duke had the heart. This is the most mentally tough duke team that I’ve seen, and probably one of the least talented. Coach K usually keeps his teams in tip top shape, but I think having a weak conference this year kept them from burning out like the big east teams.
Duke haters even me really cant’ complain about duke getting calls, they hardly got any which is the reason it was such a good game. Them not getting calls cancelled out the fact that butler was half duke size.
Outside of size Butler was by far the more talented team though. Hayward and Howard were both predicted to go higher than anyone on duke’s team, nobody mentioned Nolan smith this year before the tournament started. Combination of conditioning and fortitude and really won duke that game.[/quote]
I’d put Singler over Hayward or Howard any day of the week. I don’t even think Howard’s that great. As a matter of fact I’d take Singer, Smith, or Scheyer over him. Smith averaged 17 points a game this year playing against tougher teams then Butler played against. Hayward’s got more potential than any of the guys on Duke but at this point, I’d still put Singler over him.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Hayward and Howard were both predicted to go higher than anyone on duke’s team[/quote]
Agree that Hayward was the most talented player on the floor (offensively I think he can be comparable to Josh Howard or maybe even Turkoglu if his ballhandling improves) but I can’t see Howard being anything in the pros. He’s such a below-the-rim player, which can work if you have the bulk of a guy like Cousins (who is also surprisingly unathletic) but at 6’8", I don’t think he’s going to cut it in the pros unless he develops a deadly midrange game like Ryan Gomes. As much as I’m not a fan of Singler, he’s a much better NBA prospect than Howard. I think even Nolan Smith has a better shot of sticking in the league than Howard, although I’m not optimistic about either guy.
I’ll also say this: I could see Zoubek getting drafted in the league and sticking around. He’s got that legitimate 7’+ size and a wide frame. He’s kind of like a shittier version of Brendan Haywood when he came out: great frame and good on the offensive glass, but not much else. Most of those guys wash out, but they are worth taking in case they manage to develop a complete game like Haywood or Kaman.[/quote]
Except for the cousins(I think he’s pretty athletic, just fat) statement I agree with you. I was just refering to the heart/talent statement, I don’t think Duke was above them in talent. Just had great conditioning combined with the confidence that comes with putting on a Duke uniform.
Problem is before this game, I’ve had to many arguments with people who say none of the duke players will even be in the NBA in 2 years.
Definitely embarassing for Dook. Analysts/some coaches predicted a 20 pt margin in Dook’s favor.
Butler, although fantastic on d, simply could not create consistent offense. Singler was swarming on d and Zoubek prevented easy dribble penetration points, but Hayward and Norad jacked up so many shots way too quickly. Not to mention, their best player overall, Howard, played about 10 minutes. If he doesn’t get those three incredibly quick first half fouls, Butler probably wins this game.
Butler took out Cuse, K-state and lost on a last second shot to dook. Technical Champion: Dook. Best overall tournament performance: Butler.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Hayward and Howard were both predicted to go higher than anyone on duke’s team[/quote]
Agree that Hayward was the most talented player on the floor (offensively I think he can be comparable to Josh Howard or maybe even Turkoglu if his ballhandling improves) but I can’t see Howard being anything in the pros. He’s such a below-the-rim player, which can work if you have the bulk of a guy like Cousins (who is also surprisingly unathletic) but at 6’8", I don’t think he’s going to cut it in the pros unless he develops a deadly midrange game like Ryan Gomes. As much as I’m not a fan of Singler, he’s a much better NBA prospect than Howard. I think even Nolan Smith has a better shot of sticking in the league than Howard, although I’m not optimistic about either guy.
I’ll also say this: I could see Zoubek getting drafted in the league and sticking around. He’s got that legitimate 7’+ size and a wide frame. He’s kind of like a shittier version of Brendan Haywood when he came out: great frame and good on the offensive glass, but not much else. Most of those guys wash out, but they are worth taking in case they manage to develop a complete game like Haywood or Kaman.[/quote]
Except for the cousins(I think he’s pretty athletic, just fat) statement I agree with you. I was just refering to the heart/talent statement, I don’t think Duke was above them in talent. Just had great conditioning combined with the confidence that comes with putting on a Duke uniform.
Problem is before this game, I’ve had to many arguments with people who say none of the duke players will even be in the NBA in 2 years. [/quote]
It’s true though I doubt either teams will produce any decent NBA players.
Great game, period.
[quote]JGerman wrote:
Lots of Duke schlong stroking going on here.
It was a great game. Duke had size but I wouldn’t say they were head and shoulders above Butler in talent.
This shows you how level college athletics is becoming. There are too many athletes and they can’t play at all the most known schools. They transfer or decide to go to different schools based on playing time available.
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Yes and no. It’s entirely dependent on how good the freshmen class is coming in. When you have a team like Ohio St bring in an Oden, Conley, etc in 2007, the smaller teams have no chance. 2009 UNC would have beaten this Butler team by 30+. Most of the teams that made the Final Four over the last few years were loaded with McDonald’s All-Americans and highly-rated recruits, so the recruiting rankings tend to be great predictors of future success. But this year saw the mass exodus of talent from 2009 and a weak 2010 class, which allowed for a team like Duke to step in and take advantage.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Side note, anybody catch the Butler player absolutely level the Duke player right as the last second shot was goin up? That hit was all vengeance.[/quote]
Indeed, I did. It looked to me like Howard screened the shit out of Singler, and I can’t say I blame him. Something about that guy (Singler) bugs. The “hit” is at about 0:38:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Surprisingly, there is zero chatter on this board regarding the National Title game.
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Really?!
My thread, completely ignored days before the actual game =(
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Except for the cousins(I think he’s pretty athletic, just fat) [/quote]
I dunno, he’s not really an above-the-rim type player. He’s more of an Al Jefferson post-surgery than pre-surgery. I still think he can be a very good NBA player because of his strength and knack for the ball as a rebounder. He’s also a very skilled low-post guy and there simply isn’t that many guys who can score in the low block at the NBA level. I think Favors is going to be better though.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
Definitely embarassing for Dook. Analysts/some coaches predicted a 20 pt margin in Dook’s favor. [/quote]
LOL I don’t think there will ever be an occasion where winning a National Championship is embarrassing. Whether you win by 2 or 20 isn’t relevant.
i missed this one. any one know where i can catch it online?
[quote]LTKO wrote:
i missed this one. any one know where i can catch it online?[/quote]
Google march madness on demand. I think they have replays.
bpeck
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Surprisingly, there is zero chatter on this board regarding the National Title game.
[/quote]
Really?!
My thread, completely ignored days before the actual game =(
[/quote]
It must have been back several pages because I checked before I posted this thread to make sure I wasn’t repeating anything.
Ya’ll do realize that the refs fucked Baylor out of their game against Duke, and then they fucked Butler out of theirs right? The obvious Duke favoritism is getting old. I will say that the best pro out of either squad will be Mason Plumlee. Give him 2 years and watch.
bpeck: omygosh thanks i think its the whole freaking vid. THANKZXZXZX
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ya’ll do realize that the refs fucked Baylor out of their game against Duke, and then they fucked Butler out of theirs right? The obvious Duke favoritism is getting old. I will say that the best pro out of either squad will be Mason Plumlee. Give him 2 years and watch.[/quote]
Yeah but John Wall will dominate in the NBA.
I’ve already preordered a jersey from the Nets with the name Wall on the back.
John Wall was a sensational freshman, next hes going to be Rookie of the Year next year.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ya’ll do realize that the refs fucked Baylor out of their game against Duke, and then they fucked Butler out of theirs right? The obvious Duke favoritism is getting old. I will say that the best pro out of either squad will be Mason Plumlee. Give him 2 years and watch.[/quote]
Yeah but John Wall will dominate in the NBA.
I’ve already preordered a jersey from the Nets with the name Wall on the back.
John Wall was a sensational freshman, next hes going to be Rookie of the Year next year.[/quote]
I said either of the final teams. You know man, Wall has a lot of things that can’t be taught [size for the position, speed, athleticism, feel for the game, huge wingspan, etc…], but I’m not sold on him being a dominant player. He has a lot of flaws in his game that will get exposed if he doesn’t iron 'em out.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ya’ll do realize that the refs fucked Baylor out of their game against Duke, and then they fucked Butler out of theirs right? The obvious Duke favoritism is getting old. I will say that the best pro out of either squad will be Mason Plumlee. Give him 2 years and watch.[/quote]
Yeah but John Wall will dominate in the NBA.
I’ve already preordered a jersey from the Nets with the name Wall on the back.
John Wall was a sensational freshman, next hes going to be Rookie of the Year next year.[/quote]
I said either of the final teams. You know man, Wall has a lot of things that can’t be taught [size for the position, speed, athleticism, feel for the game, huge wingspan, etc…], but I’m not sold on him being a dominant player. He has a lot of flaws in his game that will get exposed if he doesn’t iron 'em out.[/quote]
But so far he’s shown a great attitude, which combined with natural gifts can make him that dominant player. I almost think 90% of the NBA starters could be dominant players if they worked hard enough, out of all the players I think only kobe is known for having a ridiculous work ethick.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
But so far he’s shown a great attitude, which combined with natural gifts can make him that dominant player. I almost think 90% of the NBA starters could be dominant players if they worked hard enough, out of all the players I think only kobe is known for having a ridiculous work ethick.[/quote]
Yeah but then you got someone like LeBron James with so much ridiculous natural ability that hes able to put up Oscar Robertson-like numbers whilst partying with Jay-Z on the weekends and ‘sippin’ ‘tron n vodka’ like my uncle. On top of that the young fella is a legitimate business man. I’ve read articles about him mentioning his friendship with Warren Buffett and their discussions on investments and the works. Its one thing to make 90 million a year from your endorsements, like a small minority of professional athletes in the USA but its another thing to utilize that money in a way that you can generate even more wealth.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
But so far he’s shown a great attitude, which combined with natural gifts can make him that dominant player. I almost think 90% of the NBA starters could be dominant players if they worked hard enough, out of all the players I think only kobe is known for having a ridiculous work ethick.[/quote]
Yeah but then you got someone like LeBron James with so much ridiculous natural ability that hes able to put up Oscar Robertson-like numbers whilst partying with Jay-Z on the weekends and ‘sippin’ ‘tron n vodka’ like my uncle. On top of that the young fella is a legitimate business man. I’ve read articles about him mentioning his friendship with Warren Buffett and their discussions on investments and the works. Its one thing to make 90 million a year from your endorsements, like a small minority of professional athletes in the USA but its another thing to utilize that money in a way that you can generate even more wealth.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure James has a ridiculous work ethic as well. It might not be on a Bryant-esque level, but still way up there. Speaking of Bryant, I was watching Conan O’brien a few months back and he was a guest. He was talking about how he and his family had the day planned to start at Disney World [or Land, whichever’s in LA] at 10am, so he got up at 4am to be in the gym by 5am to work on his game. This was less than a week after winning the fucking championship. That’s so ridiculous on so many levels. If he didn’t get so many gnarley injuries this year he would’ve won another MVP. He started the year on a serious tear. He’s easily the best player of my generation, and the best scorer in NBA history. His game is bananas.