Drug Users Unionize

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
People use Caffeine , tobacco, alcohol, sugar, presciptions the list goes on. No one regulates these behaviors and they are all bad for you. Some are even available to kids [/quote]

These substances are regulated, the ATF remember ?

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I am assuming you put your best point forward you had in your quiver you had to make towards legalizing all drugs?[/quote]

No that was not my best arrow :)at times I do not have the time to invest in this board. This subject has been a favorite topic of mine for decades . They investigate (cost ?) arrest the drug user then prosecute (cost ?) them . And when then did their job correctly these people go to prison for the cost of $24,000 a year . Then lets add all the money the Feds spend on it Domestically (cost ?) internationally (cost ? ) Hidden Costs the war on drugs is absurdly expensive and ineffective . Hope that is a little better :slight_smile:
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No, I meant him.

If his example of the regulation of alcohol, tax and firearms is the ATF, it sorta, kinda, speaks against any regulation of any kind.

Last time I checked marijuana dealers neither smuggle automatic weapons into Mexico nor would they shoot my wife on the porch.

I just wanna smoke my weed, man.

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
I just wanna smoke my weed, man.[/quote]

I’m sorry, but your username is just classic. Where’d the inspiration for that come from?

CS

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
"People say, ‘You’re a drug user, you brought this on yourself,’ " Jackson said. “Do people say that when you’re 300 pounds with heart problems from eating McDonald’s every day?”

Actually yes, they do asshole. “You’re a fat fuck, you brought this on yourself”. The same breed that refuses to take responsibility for their decisions … like you. the lovers of the nanny state. What a stupid topic.

In hindsight, it might not have been so bad if the Japanese conquered California 70 years ago.[/quote]

I think the point is that while there are a lot of, “dangerous” things that are regulated, there are just as many, “dangerous” things that aren’t regulated. It’s your prerogative to eat 30 cheeseburgers a day if you wish. You are a consenting adult, so the decision is rightfully yours to make.

I’m not saying I don’t like regulation, but some of the regulation isn’t necessarily on the books for the sake of protecting us as consumers from dangerous, or bad products, but on the books because people are on crusades (anti-Marijuana people), have difficulty regulating taxes (distilled spirits), or are in the pocket of someone (fda and cloned meats). Like, I want to know if I’m eating cloned meat, but the FDA could give two shits what my interests are. If I jack up my back and go to the doctor they are quick to put me on some addictive pain medications that could wreck my health and puts money in the pockets of big pharma, but there’s a shitstorm on the horizon if I even bring up the idea of Medical Marijuana. Why? Because of bullshit like big pharma losing money and having influence over the FDA decision making processes, because people don’t think for themselves or logically/ stuck on the historic negative stigma stamped on Marijuana, or fall for whatever line a politician spews who getting paid by big pharma or will work for big pharma, or whatever commercial on t.v. is slandering it.

Basic idea is very American in nature… People want representation, the term, “No taxation without representation.” Should spring to mind, our nation would not exist as it does without that slogan. We are supposed to think for ourselves and get pissed off when our freedoms are impinged upon, it’s supposed to be in our DNA as a country. Regulate things that are actually dangerous like Cadmium in Muscle Milk. But, if I want to drink a beer, or smoke a joint, or eat 30 cheeseburgers in a sitting, that should be my right.

Drug addicts want representation, then let them have it. [/quote]

Tell me, who represents taxpayers when the idea of raising taxes is thrown around ? Do you think Steinberg, or Perez, or Moonbeam REALLY listen to anyone who does NOT want to raise taxes ?

They are all bought and paid for by the Unions, and EVERYONE knows it.[/quote]

What are Unions a response to? The dynamic of local to state to federal government is all the same. End up with rich people in office who have rich people’s interest in mind. In my area there is a big deal about this resort that is in a prime location, it needs to be demolished and rebuilt, but getting someone to take the task on is difficult because of how much money needs to be sunk into the place. Basically my county is working on a measure that would drop the bed tax on the place for 10 years, and within the next year would give 50% rebates to any properties that spend something like 60k in upgrades per room, or upgrades totaling 1 million dollars.

I live in an area with a few resorts, and many boutique hotels which are the equivalent of small businesses. In these times, who needs the help? The billionaire developers and corporate owners or the small businesses? Do you think many small businesses have a cool mil to just upgrade? A 60-70k per room upgrade would be suitable for upscale 4 diamond resorts, not 3 diamond small properties that might have one or two luxury rooms.

Point is, the retard wealthy are still getting breaks, and in this case the measure proposed went out of it’s way to indirectly corner out the small business owner so they could put more money in their pockets and directly help people who are already substantially wealthy.

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation.

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.[/quote]

Corruption is here to stay Business is corrupt , Government is corrupt , Labor has to do something they are falling father and farther behind .

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.[/quote]

Like I said, not a big fan but they seem to be a necessary evil. The way the system is set up, laborers still have little to no representation unless it’s through unions. As much as we tout democracy, freedom and representation, our democracy is systematically behind others based on the simple fact that we have a two party system represented by two political ideologies dominated by elites and no labor party.

For laborers to have a voice and have representation, the way the system is it seems like they need to rely on unions which have the same basic structure and often times agenda’s that corporations do. They seem to become their own entities/ persons with their own interests in mind before the individuals they are supposed to represent. But, that is the only way they can exist because this is our system.

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.[/quote]

Like I said, not a big fan but they seem to be a necessary evil. The way the system is set up, laborers still have little to no representation unless it’s through unions. As much as we tout democracy, freedom and representation, our democracy is systematically behind others based on the simple fact that we have a two party system represented by two political ideologies dominated by elites and no labor party.

For laborers to have a voice and have representation, the way the system is it seems like they need to rely on unions which have the same basic structure and often times agenda’s that corporations do. They seem to become their own entities/ persons with their own interests in mind before the individuals they are supposed to represent. But, that is the only way they can exist because this is our system. [/quote]

I think a labor party is the solution , the Republicans will clammer Communism

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.[/quote]

Corruption is here to stay Business is corrupt , Government is corrupt , Labor has to do something they are falling father and farther behind . [/quote]

You say you’re a Ron Paul supporter yet you call for trade tariffs/protectionism, unionism, a labor party etc? The truth is I agree with more of what Ron Paul stands for than you do.

‘…if you will just grant me for a moment (what I shall very soon try to demonstrate) that protectionism, when it becomes widespread, becomes communism’ - Frederic Bastiat

BTW, the unions destroyed GM. And instead of going bankrupt they were given billions of dollars by the taxpayer that they’ll never repay.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

I’m not a fan of Unions. But what gets under my skin is the sort of thing I described, wealthy people in government (local, state or fed) running gambits to give their buddies breaks. Sometimes it’s to line up a job when they get out of government, sometimes its hooking up a friend… People are sick of the manipulation. [/quote]

I can understand that. I certainly am sick of it too. But lets also consider the fact that this very self same corruption you talk about is present in unions now. You speak of why they were created–I agree. However in my opinion, and in the experience of more than a few people I know including one family member, the Unions are now not about helping the “little guy”. They have forgotten much (maybe not all, but most) of their original mission and now become “miniature gov’ts” set up to perpetuate themselves and their cabinent members.

Not a fan. That doesn’t help anybody, that’s just more double talk.[/quote]

Corruption is here to stay Business is corrupt , Government is corrupt , Labor has to do something they are falling father and farther behind . [/quote]

You say you’re a Ron Paul supporter yet you call for trade tariffs/protectionism, unionism, a labor party etc? The truth is I agree with more of what Ron Paul stands for than you do.

‘…if you will just grant me for a moment (what I shall very soon try to demonstrate) that protectionism, when it becomes widespread, becomes communism’ - Frederic Bastiat

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple . The Republicans DEMONIZE the poor and sell the message that the poor and social programs are the cause of America’s fiscal ills. Paul paints with a wider brush if it costs money then it could be cut. I am not a Libertarian that believes in no Government. I believe that America could agree that we need to protect the environment or we could manage health care more effectively via a social program as opposed to a free market system.

UNder our present system only the wealthy and the poor can afford good health care

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

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Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

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UNder our present system only the wealthy and the poor can afford good health care [/quote]

WTF?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

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Ron Paul is not a conservative.
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That is exactly what he is.

It is just that a real conservative in the US looks a lot like a libertarian.

It is not his fault that all the rest want to conserve their jobs and the campaign contributions from the “defense” and the financial industry instead of checks and balances, federalism and the Bill of Rights.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

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Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

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UNder our present system only the wealthy and the poor can afford good health care [/quote]

WTF?[/quote]

lol americans, i love how you guys seperate ideologies based on political party SOO radically that if a person believes one piece of another parties stance, or deosnt believe everything in their own parties stance you demonize. You are either a gay fearing, bulldozing, abortion protesting small government republican or a granola eating, tree hugging, feed the poor, help the minorites liberal. I traveled to naples for spring break. There was an area of 650 20 -100 million dollar homes. Living in canada do you know how many 10 million dollar homes ive seen? exactly 0. Meanwhile i drive around seeing homeless people. It literally made me sick, i cant imagine living in the states and truly being the patriotic bullshit your government pushes down your throats

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

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Ron Paul is not a conservative.
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That is exactly what he is.

It is just that a real conservative in the US looks a lot like a libertarian.

It is not his fault that all the rest want to conserve their jobs and the campaign contributions from the “defense” and the financial industry instead of checks and balances, federalism and the Bill of Rights. [/quote]
lol exactly, in canada our view of conservatism would be libertarian in the states

[quote]Curodd wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

[/quote]

Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

There are small government Republicans?

Pray tell, where?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Curodd wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

[/quote]

Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

There are small government Republicans?

Pray tell, where?[/quote]

Let me clarify, tell you what to do in your personal life, but heaven forbid they tell you what to do with your money

[quote]Curodd wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Curodd wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

[/quote]

Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

There are small government Republicans?

Pray tell, where?[/quote]

Let me clarify, tell you what to do in your personal life, but heaven forbid they tell you what to do with your money
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Yeah well, I still like that better, because there is always the black market to turn to.

If they take your money away from you, there is very little you can do.

On the same note among already California fucking stupidity, is a law which mandates that dog groomers get licenses. Also, interior decorators getting licenses as well.

But I do have faith, there was a push for a law to allow people to eat naked in public restaurants, but the legislature shot that down. I guess they realized that perhaps one day, they would have to lay their cheeks on that very same seat, that the naked smelly hippie just sat on before they enjoyed their meal.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Why I buy Paul’s brand of conservativism over the Republican brand is simple .

[/quote]

Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Largely they are. SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the largest part of the problem. I think you’re more of a big government type. You said Obama is your second choice. Maybe you should reconsider. Obama should be your first choice. You’re a little confused. You say Reagan is the worst president in history. You’re confused. You should gravitate towards Obama and big government where you belong.

Eco-gibberish. Like Obama. You need Obama.

Obama!

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UNder our present system only the wealthy and the poor can afford good health care [/quote]

WTF?[/quote]

Paul is the only conservative in the race , Democrats are liberals and Republicans are mean liberals