[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
They’ve been saying that kind of shit in regards to our electrical grids, nuclear power plants, satellites, trains, the stock market (billions of dollars lost instead of millions of lives, of course) and so forth and it’s never happened. Sure, there’s always going to be people playing on this country’s amazingly large capacity to be afraid, but the reality is that something like what you’re describing will most likely never, ever occur.[/quote]
Wrong
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
They’ve been saying that kind of shit in regards to our electrical grids, nuclear power plants, satellites, trains, the stock market (billions of dollars lost instead of millions of lives, of course) and so forth and it’s never happened. Sure, there’s always going to be people playing on this country’s amazingly large capacity to be afraid, but the reality is that something like what you’re describing will most likely never, ever occur.[/quote]
BUt bro Die Hard 4.
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
This hasn’t been true of any technology for 2 decades.
Serious damage isn’t done by “one good hacker”.
In fact one hacker can’t do shit these days except fish for emails.
You need a dedicated team and millions of dollars of resources running for months or years at a time to accomplish anything significantly dangerous in terms of hacking these days.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/hack-attack-on-iran-s-nuclear-facility-easier-than-thought-1.715318[/quote]
This was done by the Isreali government over a 3 year period. This has nothing to do with individual hacker activity or even small groups like anonymous.
What happens when you can’t stop the vehicle?
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
This hasn’t been true of any technology for 2 decades.
Serious damage isn’t done by “one good hacker”.
In fact one hacker can’t do shit these days except fish for emails.
You need a dedicated team and millions of dollars of resources running for months or years at a time to accomplish anything significantly dangerous in terms of hacking these days.[/quote]
Because man still has a hand in flipping the switch on and off.
Driverless cars, no traffic signals needed? The more we depend on the tech the more it will affect us when it fails. Of course this is all talk about something I won’t see in my lifetime
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
It sounds too far fetched. I would think human alertness and decision making would always be important while driving. There is only so much you can program a computer to do. There would be too many bugs in the system for this to be safe imo.[/quote]
Too far-fetched? They’re already doing it. All the cars would effectively be linked together like one big centipede. Shit, there’s already legislation in place in several states that allow people to drive driverless cars on the roads right now.
The fact is that as far as car companies go, cars without human drivers is the Holy Grail. Think about it. Probably 95% of all car accidents are due to driver error. How many billions of dollars have car companies spent over the decades addressing stupid shit that drivers have sued over? All of those costs that car companies are currently forced to take on would become a thing of the past.
As far as far-fetched goes, how far-fetched is it really? We already have all of our homes effectively linked together by the Internet. How far-fetched would something like the Internet have seemed sixty or seventy years ago?[/quote]
Those are some good points I just hope Windows 8 is not in charge of it.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
They’ve been saying that kind of shit in regards to our electrical grids, nuclear power plants, satellites, trains, the stock market (billions of dollars lost instead of millions of lives, of course) and so forth and it’s never happened. Sure, there’s always going to be people playing on this country’s amazingly large capacity to be afraid, but the reality is that something like what you’re describing will most likely never, ever occur.[/quote]
Wrong[/quote]
I’m wrong? You mean that millions of people have actually been killed by hackers already? Fuck! Where was I when this shit went down?
Give me a break, man. You can wallow in fear all you want, but those of us with our heads screwed on straight will just continue to go on living our normal, everyday lives while the world passes you by.
As far as your linked article about sabotaging Iran’s nuclear power plant, so fucking what? What’s the worst a group of well-trained hackers going to do to our nuclear power plants? Do you realize how many hundreds of millions of dollars it would probably cost to pull something like that off? What kind of fucking hacker group has that kind of cash? Anonymous? Shit, they’re not that smart. They just got hacked themselves a little while ago.
Besides, what are they going to do? Create a nuclear meltdown at one of our plants, a la Fukushima? I’ve got news for you. That sort of scenario is not NEARLY as dangerous as many would have you believe. In fact, the WHO just released the findings of a two-year study into that very thing and guess what? The increase in cancer risk after the Fukushima disaster is about 4 to 7% in terms of all cancers. It’s insignificant. And a nuclear reactor isn’t capable of becoming a nuclear bomb strictly by computer manipulation before workers at the plant could step in and shut things down entirely.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
This hasn’t been true of any technology for 2 decades.
Serious damage isn’t done by “one good hacker”.
In fact one hacker can’t do shit these days except fish for emails.
You need a dedicated team and millions of dollars of resources running for months or years at a time to accomplish anything significantly dangerous in terms of hacking these days.[/quote]
Because man still has a hand in flipping the switch on and off.
Driverless cars, no traffic signals needed? The more we depend on the tech the more it will affect us when it fails. Of course this is all talk about something I won’t see in my lifetime[/quote]
Won’t see in your lifetime? How fucking old are you? Google already expects to be doing all of its mapping with driverless cars within a couple years, maybe less. And that’s taking into account the fact that virtually every car on the road with it will still have humans driving them. Think about how much easier and safer it will be as more and more people go to driverless cars.
Look at the upcoming generation of drivers. They’re all kids who bury themselves in their fucking iPods and iPhones and Androids and so on. That generation will JUMP at the chance to have a car that takes them places without distracting from their precious fucking iWhatever time.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
They’ve been saying that kind of shit in regards to our electrical grids, nuclear power plants, satellites, trains, the stock market (billions of dollars lost instead of millions of lives, of course) and so forth and it’s never happened. Sure, there’s always going to be people playing on this country’s amazingly large capacity to be afraid, but the reality is that something like what you’re describing will most likely never, ever occur.[/quote]
haha, just because it has’t doesn’t mean it wont.
And actually, it has happened, many times. You just dont hear about it but because safeguards are in place the likelihood is lowered, not removed.
The world has become more violent and more complex. Terrorists and organised crime are always looking for ways to manipulate things to their advantage, then you have the likes of China and Iran.
Say for example you were to attack Iran or impose on Chinese interests because of S.Korea and Japan.
You think they wouldn’t do their best to damage the infrastructure of their enemy? Its basically carpet bombing WW2 style except in a technological sense and it causes just as much damage.
Its a “what if” scenario but when you hurt somebody enough, I guarantee you they will do their best to ruin your country.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
The world has become more violent and more complex.[/quote]
in comparison to when?
please expand on your point.
the world has not become more violent.
it is strange so many people make these huge sweeping statements based on completely false fears.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
The world has become more violent and more complex.[/quote]
in comparison to when?
please expand on your point.
the world has not become more violent.
it is strange so many people make these huge sweeping statements based on completely false fears.
[/quote]
False fears?
I know you’re a shitty troll but I’ll throw some more bait in your eyes just so it tickles.
Compared to history, its round about the same. However if you think the following;
- Conflict in Middle East
- America/western powers invading ME countries
- Irans nuclear problems
- Israel and USA pressure on IRan
- China flexing its muscle outwards on Japan, S.korea
- Russia having done all sorts over the past decade (read up on it)
- Mexico cartels, the drug war as a global problem
- Africa and its endless conflicts
- More extreme weather in populated areas
- Syria
Are not grounds for an ever more dangerous world, you’ve got your head firmly in the sand.
- Terrorism
Yeah lets speak terrorism.
What point in history has terrorism been able to cripple the west through fear? Never.
It was always the big bad red army, whilst Russia is a threat, I doubt they’d be as hell bent on destroying the west as Islamic terrorists are.
They’ve sprung into all parts of the world because they were hit in Afghanistan, new countries were needed out of the way of AMerica and in doing so, those areas were made violent and dangerous beyond the normal pretense of “kidnap threats”.
Islamic footholds in Egypt have taken quite a turn haven’t they? A so-called western allied country with US military hardware. My or my, you dont call THAT dangerous?
I asked my parents who are in theirmid 60s about these fears. They lived through the cold war, yes they had fears but those fears didnt last this long.
Since the late 90s the wars and conflicts, death and destruction has continued. I am not a believer of government scare tactics, I’m not that stupid but I believe my own eyes and what I read from people who are in the shit, they dont spare the details.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
One good Hacker could kill millions[/quote]
They’ve been saying that kind of shit in regards to our electrical grids, nuclear power plants, satellites, trains, the stock market (billions of dollars lost instead of millions of lives, of course) and so forth and it’s never happened. Sure, there’s always going to be people playing on this country’s amazingly large capacity to be afraid, but the reality is that something like what you’re describing will most likely never, ever occur.[/quote]
haha, just because it has’t doesn’t mean it wont.
And actually, it has happened, many times. You just dont hear about it but because safeguards are in place the likelihood is lowered, not removed.
The world has become more violent and more complex. Terrorists and organised crime are always looking for ways to manipulate things to their advantage, then you have the likes of China and Iran.
Say for example you were to attack Iran or impose on Chinese interests because of S.Korea and Japan.
You think they wouldn’t do their best to damage the infrastructure of their enemy? Its basically carpet bombing WW2 style except in a technological sense and it causes just as much damage.
Its a “what if” scenario but when you hurt somebody enough, I guarantee you they will do their best to ruin your country.[/quote]
Iran will never have the wherewithal to pull something like that off. They can’t even keep their own shit from being hacked. How are they going to hack into ours?
And China would never sabotage us like that. If they even thought about it we would already have had something go drastically wrong in our relations with them to provoke such thinking. Our economy is too tied to theirs now for them to plunge us into something like what hacking into driverless cars and killing millions would do. They’d effectively be sabotaging their own economy by doing so.
Besides, the Chinese economy is already going into the shitter without our help. They’d be much more likely to hack into the computer systems of the car manufacturers that are producing driverless technology so that they can create the same stuff over there without having to buy it from us.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
The world has become more violent and more complex.[/quote]
in comparison to when?
please expand on your point.
the world has not become more violent.
it is strange so many people make these huge sweeping statements based on completely false fears.
[/quote]
False fears?
I know you’re a shitty troll but I’ll throw some more bait in your eyes just so it tickles.
Compared to history, its round about the same. However if you think the following;
- Conflict in Middle East
- America/western powers invading ME countries
- Irans nuclear problems
- Israel and USA pressure on IRan
- China flexing its muscle outwards on Japan, S.korea
- Russia having done all sorts over the past decade (read up on it)
- Mexico cartels, the drug war as a global problem
- Africa and its endless conflicts
- More extreme weather in populated areas
- Syria
Are not grounds for an ever more dangerous world, you’ve got your head firmly in the sand.
- Terrorism
Yeah lets speak terrorism.
What point in history has terrorism been able to cripple the west through fear? Never.
It was always the big bad red army, whilst Russia is a threat, I doubt they’d be as hell bent on destroying the west as Islamic terrorists are.
They’ve sprung into all parts of the world because they were hit in Afghanistan, new countries were needed out of the way of AMerica and in doing so, those areas were made violent and dangerous beyond the normal pretense of “kidnap threats”.
Islamic footholds in Egypt have taken quite a turn haven’t they? A so-called western allied country with US military hardware. My or my, you dont call THAT dangerous?
I asked my parents who are in theirmid 60s about these fears. They lived through the cold war, yes they had fears but those fears didnt last this long.
Since the late 90s the wars and conflicts, death and destruction has continued. I am not a believer of government scare tactics, I’m not that stupid but I believe my own eyes and what I read from people who are in the shit, they dont spare the details.
[/quote]
You are so far off-base with your assertions about danger. How many people have terrorists killed worldwide? Does it even begin to approach the millions killed by people like Stalin or HItler or Mao? Of course not.
The violence that we face today is nothing compared to what previous generations faced. Our life expectancy is much longer due in large part to the fact that most men don’t go to war, which wasn’t always the case. At one point in history, literally every able-bodied man in the known world was likely to have been in some sort of armed conflict. In some areas, that wasn’t even very long ago.
The biggest war going on right now is the Afghanistan War, which has killed less in more than ten years than WWII by a long shot. Most of the major armed conflicts in history are behind us. They aren’t going on right now and the likelihood is that they won’t happen in the future. Are they possible? Sure. Probable? That depends on how paranoid you are, I suppose.
But take a look at death tolls in warfare. The only major armed conflicts that have significant death tolls in very recent history are the Sudanese and Congolese Second Civil Wars and the Afghanistan Civil War, of which the U.S.'s involvement over there is an extension. The death tolls in those three COMBINED doesn’t even come close to WWII.
The same thing applies to genocide. The worst ones are all in the past and the ones going on now or in the very recent past pale in comparison. The fact is that with the globalization that has occurred with the information revolution, other countries know about these sorts of atrocities much sooner and in much more detail than ever before. Pressure is put on the genocide-inflicted countries or direct involvement occurs much sooner and the shit doesn’t get nearly as bad.
Worldwide violent crime rates are far below where they have ever been. They have been trending downward for centuries now. In the U.S., violent crime is generally down over the last several decades. Where do we get our entertainment from? Do we show en masse to a stadium to watch people get eviscerated by lions or by other people? No. Do we settle disputes by duel anymore? No.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
The world has become more violent and more complex.[/quote]
in comparison to when?
please expand on your point.
the world has not become more violent.
it is strange so many people make these huge sweeping statements based on completely false fears.
[/quote]
False fears?
I know you’re a shitty troll but I’ll throw some more bait in your eyes just so it tickles.
Compared to history, its round about the same. However if you think the following;
- Conflict in Middle East
- America/western powers invading ME countries
- Irans nuclear problems
- Israel and USA pressure on IRan
- China flexing its muscle outwards on Japan, S.korea
- Russia having done all sorts over the past decade (read up on it)
- Mexico cartels, the drug war as a global problem
- Africa and its endless conflicts
- More extreme weather in populated areas
- Syria
Are not grounds for an ever more dangerous world, you’ve got your head firmly in the sand.
- Terrorism
Yeah lets speak terrorism.
What point in history has terrorism been able to cripple the west through fear? Never.
It was always the big bad red army, whilst Russia is a threat, I doubt they’d be as hell bent on destroying the west as Islamic terrorists are.
They’ve sprung into all parts of the world because they were hit in Afghanistan, new countries were needed out of the way of AMerica and in doing so, those areas were made violent and dangerous beyond the normal pretense of “kidnap threats”.
Islamic footholds in Egypt have taken quite a turn haven’t they? A so-called western allied country with US military hardware. My or my, you dont call THAT dangerous?
I asked my parents who are in theirmid 60s about these fears. They lived through the cold war, yes they had fears but those fears didnt last this long.
Since the late 90s the wars and conflicts, death and destruction has continued. I am not a believer of government scare tactics, I’m not that stupid but I believe my own eyes and what I read from people who are in the shit, they dont spare the details.
[/quote]
You are so far off-base with your assertions about danger. How many people have terrorists killed worldwide? Does it even begin to approach the millions killed by people like Stalin or HItler or Mao? Of course not.
The violence that we face today is nothing compared to what previous generations faced. Our life expectancy is much longer due in large part to the fact that most men don’t go to war, which wasn’t always the case. At one point in history, literally every able-bodied man in the known world was likely to have been in some sort of armed conflict. In some areas, that wasn’t even very long ago.
The biggest war going on right now is the Afghanistan War, which has killed less in more than ten years than WWII by a long shot. Most of the major armed conflicts in history are behind us. They aren’t going on right now and the likelihood is that they won’t happen in the future. Are they possible? Sure. Probable? That depends on how paranoid you are, I suppose.
But take a look at death tolls in warfare. The only major armed conflicts that have significant death tolls in very recent history are the Sudanese and Congolese Second Civil Wars and the Afghanistan Civil War, of which the U.S.'s involvement over there is an extension. The death tolls in those three COMBINED doesn’t even come close to WWII.
The same thing applies to genocide. The worst ones are all in the past and the ones going on now or in the very recent past pale in comparison. The fact is that with the globalization that has occurred with the information revolution, other countries know about these sorts of atrocities much sooner and in much more detail than ever before. Pressure is put on the genocide-inflicted countries or direct involvement occurs much sooner and the shit doesn’t get nearly as bad.
Worldwide violent crime rates are far below where they have ever been. They have been trending downward for centuries now. In the U.S., violent crime is generally down over the last several decades. Where do we get our entertainment from? Do we show en masse to a stadium to watch people get eviscerated by lions or by other people? No. Do we settle disputes by duel anymore? No.
[/quote]
Completely agree.
the world has not become more violent as outlined in the post above. we live in the safest times in all of humanity disease, crime, war are all miniscule in comparison to the past thousands of years.
generally speaking it is human nature to think you live or are approaching some kind of an apocalyptic event. this has always happened throughout human history and is in my opinion a mix of evolution and arrogance to think that some major shit is always on the verge of happening in your own lifetime (there have of course been points when this is more accurate).
the examples you have given are laughable in comparison with our past.
“Russia has done some stuff in the last decade read up on it”
“the weather”
“Iran”
“Syria”
I suggest you stop watching Die Hard 4 on repeat and instead read some history books.
You don’t need to go back that far the 20th Century alone is fine.
Russia was a little bit of a bigger problem at times than “doing some stuff over the last ten years”
Hitler had a slightly larger impact on the violence of the world than Hurricane Sandy as well.
The world is not perfect and i do not have my head in the sand but neither am i going to sit in a nuclear bunker wearing a tin foil hat to stop the Chinese from hacking my brain.
Who do you sue should you be hit by a driverless car ?
Also, why do cars go faster than the speed limit ? So the city can penalize you.
There was a video of a blind guy who has a Google car. There is a great potential for the application of it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Who do you sue should you be hit by a driverless car ?
Also, why do cars go faster than the speed limit ? So the city can penalize you. [/quote]
According to the people working on this technology, the car would sense that someone was in its path and stop automatically. If a person still gets hit, assuming they didn’t just throw themselves in front of the car at the last instant, I suppose the lawsuit would be filed against the maker of the technology behind the car.
Penalization for speeding brings in revenue, but it’s insignificant compared to the money that could be saved by driverless cars. In fact, that amount is probably very insignificant even compared to the money that could be saved if the current cars in use could not go above the highway’s speed limit. There is an exponential rise in danger as a car goes faster and faster.
1st of all I am not living in fear of advancements in tech. I was just pointing out where you were wrong in your other statement about shit that cant be hacked. Here is a link about China hacking shit