Yea but I don’t find that “unethical” because its business. If the patient doesn’t know the risks of what he’s about to start taking (which may be the majority of the time) then it’s unethical, however if the patient pays the doctor a large sum and is informed and aware of the risks said protocal contains I personally don’t see anything unethical being done. I’m aware that sounds sketchy, but that’s just my opinion. There’s clinics here in Aus that’ll prescribe you or me SARMS, GHRP, IGF1, MGF etc. Sure, they’re unresearched, potentially dangerous drugs with which we have NO idea what the long term effects are. However the patient makes an informed decision (and typically asks for these drugs before getting them prescribed) to take these substances, I don’t have a problem with that. What I WOULD have a problem with is if these compounds were pushed on naieve, uneducated individuals.
I believe empower compounds 50mg capsules of oxandrolone!!!
True. But the issue is they rarely only prescribe t especially most likely to the guy who did not research. I believe starting a low t guy on 150 will make it more likely they will feel typical high e2 symptoms and use an ai. Which they liberally prescribe and say something along the lines “but take only if you need it”… Knowing full well an uninformed guy will end up taking it.
What are high E2 symptoms? This seems to be another one of those things that proliferate on forums but its all just kind of a grey area. From what I have been reading most, if not all, of these symptoms subside given time. Dr. Rouzier talks of doctors he worked with taking oral E2 to get theirs up into the 300-400s and felt great. It is my understanding that these symptoms are passing and given time level out.
But if they don’t know what a “high E2” symptom is then they won’t reach for the AI. I would argue its the bro-informed masses that will be looking for a slight itch on their nipple and then crash their E2 looking for a “cure”. Maybe I continue to make your point :). I just took umbrage to you pointing out a seemingly high Test dose, that’s all. I still feel that most PCP start off by underdosing T and adversely effecting their patients for several months.
There is a subtle “method to the madness” concerning this approach. I started at 100mg per week and that was enough to get me higher than I was naturally producing. This made me feel great! According to Dr Calkins, I’m still a “little lower” than he would like to see, so he bumped me up to 150mg. Now had I started at this dose, it’s possible that such a drastic increase could have made my transition from limited natural production to great exogenous levels a little bit more of a tougher road. But since I came up a little higher than I was naturally, and then stabilized there, the next progression of going up for optimization will hopefully be all that much more smooth.
I do not. But I am coming from a personal experience here and I don’t have the scientific background to make a broad stroke statement here. I see no downside to starting off on the high side, fixing issues, and then titrating down if necessary. What would the drawbacks be?
Not sure about this. Why would it be rougher to start a bit higher?
Seriously Dr John Crisler’s topic of his passing, has turned into a T.R.T/DRUG debate now lol. Do you want to start new topic or let the man RIP? is madness guys.
This is just my theory of course, the more drastic and sudden a change, then the more drastic and sudden the body has to try and react to that change. Go from a 20 degree room immediately into a 90 degree room. A sudden change is very shocking to the body. If you go from 20, to 30, to 40, … all the way up to 90, then the body acclimates as you go and the change is much less shocking.
BOTTOM LINE is I don’t believe JOHN took his LIFE over HORMONE imbalance Absolutely it was personal, and people screwing him over & his practice clinic.