It’s not TRT
Anavar drops HDL by at least 30% and often 60%+
And often doubles LDL… do we naturally produce anavar?
At the very least can we stop calling this “150mg test oer week 100mg deca 40mg anavar per day” trt?
I’ve taken real anavar before and YES… it feels super mild, way milder than test where I feel all amped up whenever my total testosterone goes above like 1100
I tried 20mg, then 30mg then briefly 40mg
Only side effect I noticed was extreme heartburn but the stuff I had was suspended in this solution of ethanol + some godawful solvent
I had to use a PPI if I wanted to take it for longer than a week. I tried it for three weeks before surgery on my shoulder to try gain as much strength around my rotator cuff muscles. It worked super well for what I wanted it to do and actually all of my joints felt much better on it (though doesn’t compare to nandrolone or trestolone which legit gives me like a 70-90% reduction in joint pain)
But I feel toxic on nandrolone… I don’t feel toxic on var outside of heartburn but when I think about the increase in strength on anavar, the quick reduction in BF despite not changing my diet… it’s clearly superior to trt… even if I stopped taking testosterone and just took say 10mg oxandrolone daily it’s superior to 100mgs of test oer week…
Lots of people attribute the lack of gains to the lack of water and glycogen retention you get on anavar… but what you put on with anavar you actually tend to keep most of it
and its impact on lipids… TRT should either hardly budge or even improve cardiometabolic parameters… testosterone replacement therapy replaces deficient hormonal parameters and doesn’t need to be cycled on and off like anavar and deca usually need to be cycled
Replacing T from a deficient baseline doesn’t mediate adverse cardiometabolic outcomes from an epidemiological perspective
Whereas put even a group of healthy, genetically robust men on 100mg test/wk vs 100mg test 100mg deca 20-50mg anavar oer day and have group two undergo two 8 week cycles yearly
Follow both groups over 20 years and the group taking the deca and var will have way more heart attacks, strokes, blood clots of all kinds etc
TRT is almost risk free (or so it seems) for healthy young men. Blasting and cruising comes with risk and I hate it being promoted/pushed as TRT as it makes the guys on real TRT look bad
I remember there was a guy on here (won’t rat him out) who was very pushy about hormone “optimization” e.g. pushing total and free testosterone above and beyond what even the most virile 18 year old male would produce
He wound up publishing photos on Facebook of his amazing trt transformation but as I was talking to him semi regularly at the time I found he was doing “TRT” at 250mg test oer week, then had hopped on an additional 100mgs of deca for like a month or two … then if I recall correctly swapped it out for 100mgs of mast
Then tried dbol for a week or two on top of that
And was claiming his very impressive 4-6 month transformation wss from trt… him starting at 250mg/wk which consistently put him at 1000-1500ng/dl WITH lower SHBG alone isn’t trt…… his “TRT” was the same as the biggest cycle I ever ran!
When I did that at age 18 (was on TRT. I have a rareish genetic disease which fucks up everyrhing from my joints to my endocrine system) I put on like 10 pounds in three months… and had a ton of side effects, my body can’t tolerate testosterone at even remotely supra doses but I could tolerate drugs like primo and anavar really well (well except for lipid destruction)… probably because my doses were super low compared to most
But I took 400mgs of primo on 2-3 consecutive weeks and had essentially zero sides
400mg of test and I’m a bloated sweaty mess with a much higher resting heart rate
So for 99% of the population aside from rapid metabolizers or people with partial androgen insensitivity shndrome 250mg isn’t trt
It’s a cycle… now for the genetically robust they can get away with that long term
But it’s not “safe” from the context of “compared to true replacement, the level of risk associated with taking sports TRT + deca + winny + var” etc is MAGNITUDES higher than say 100mg test/wk (enough to cover like 60% of guys)
Even the 100mg T/wk… not to get into semantics but if you’re on 100mgs of test a week you cannot claim natural
In Australia where I live if you are on TRT you can’t compete in the natural bodybuilding full stop.
Reason being let’s say I take 100mg oer week and I’m at 600ng/dl, my shbg is 25 and my FT is let’s say 800pmol/l
A natty guy at 600 will have far higher shbg and lower FT… maybe a natty guy in the top 0.5% will have a TT of 1200 and a FT of 800pmol/l
So if I’m 600 with FT so high only 1 in 200 exceptionally healthy, lean young men can achieve a similar level under optimal conditions am I still natty?
If you’re hitting 600-1000 TT on trt and your shbg is like below 30… chances are you hit Supra Ft Levels at peak
If I diet down to 4-8% body fat as a natty and get blood work done often testosterone will be super low (100-300ng/dl) or if you’ve gone sub 5% it’s legit often down where a woman’s T would be (like 50ng/dl)
This affects strength, drive in tne gym, mood, it even cosmetically affects how the muscle LOOKS… it won’t pop as much
So a guy on TRT who has been training for five years competes and a fully natty dude does the same… both diet down to 5%
The guy in trt can probably hold an additional 5lbs of lean tissue, and cosmetically he will appear fuller
Not to detract from the effort people put in but TRT isn’t natty (probably more like “half natty” as benefit is only really present when lean)… that and trt allows you to have trash sleep, drink and take a bunch of drugs yet still eek out gains whereas natty guys often need to optimize their routine to make decent gains
And oxandrolone, nandrolone etc certainly ain’t natty
I have a disease called Ehlers Danlos syndrome and I must say however in low dosages these drugs help a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot. Hardly ever if at all touch them nowadays though… but I credit the AAS for allowing me to live a relatively normal life all the way up through to my early 20s
