[quote]Gkhan wrote:
How come they do not get equally upset in Pakistan when a Muslim suicide bomber blows up a market and tears their offspring to pieces right before their eyes?
Mass rallies around the world because some nutjob THREATENS to burn a holy book…
No mass rallies around the world against daily mass murders committed in the name of God?
WTF?[/quote]
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
[quote]orion wrote:
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
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Oh. Well, if suicide types can’t be influenced towards peace, I guess they just have to be killed.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
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Oh. Well, if suicide types can’t be influenced towards peace, I guess they just have to be killed.[/quote]
That is probably true.
Creating even more of them however could be prevented.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
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… while their child was torn to pieces right before their eyes.
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Please… No, stop…
Oh, the horror! The tear-wrenching grief!
You’re breaking my heart with such sadness!
I’m going to write a note to the president, demanding he take the “How to Tear a Child to Pieces Right before a Parent’s Eyes” page out of the Official US War Fighting Manual.
Hopefully, the statistics on such cases will reflect a drastic drop in them.
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As I said, obvious double standard.
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No, the fallacy of “appeal to emotion.”[/quote]
Yeah well, if you kill their offspring people tend to get emotional.
Which was kind of my point, if you had cared to read my post before responding.
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Why would I do that, when you always write the same drivel?[/quote]
Why would I need to do that, if you did not even get that “drivel” ?
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Oh, that one’s easy!
Because you’re a narcissist who loves to hear himself talk.[/quote]
So are you co-dependent or just an ebabler?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
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Oh. Well, if suicide types can’t be influenced towards peace, I guess they just have to be killed.[/quote]
That is probably true.
Creating even more of them however could be prevented.
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You’re proposing sterilization programs? Now, I wouldn’t go that far…
Not really a cool nor tolerant deed, by why the fuck are we so saddled with perception, and political correctness?
These backwards ass radicals need further education to advance to savage status.
First question, not whether it is correct or not, but does anyone have a right to burn Quran, Koran, or whatever their version of sky fairy fiction book is and how it is spelled?
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:…but does anyone have a right to burn Quran, Koran, or whatever their version of sky fairy fiction book is and how it is spelled?
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yes, we all do. It’s just paper.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
First question, not whether it is correct or not, but does anyone have a right to burn Quran, Koran, or whatever their version of sky fairy fiction book is and how it is spelled?
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Sure you do, but you are an assclown if you do it.
I WOULD FUCKING KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL if someone burned a bible.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
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Oh. Well, if suicide types can’t be influenced towards peace, I guess they just have to be killed.[/quote]
That is probably true.
Creating even more of them however could be prevented.
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You’re proposing sterilization programs? Now, I wouldn’t go that far…[/quote]
Why?
THAT would actually be surgical precision.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]Eli B wrote:
he called it off.[/quote]
Quitter. Can’t anyone back up threats anymore?[/quote]
Yeah, what a pussy.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Preacher, not priest. Second, if you are muslim, then stand up for what is right. The PR problem muslims have is their own making. Muslims are the only ones who can fix that. You are at far more risk of the cancer with in than anything from outside.
Sure people may be prejudiced, may be hateful, and bigoted, but they won’t kill you. The perception is that every time somebody does something muslims don’t like, it’s death and violence to follow. You know why? Because it happens all the time.
When people dance around a burning carcass waving the Quran around and yelling “Allah Akkbah!” it can cause a bad perception. If it happens a lot so much more for the perception.
I am against the burning because of people like yourself. For your sake and other “good apples” I have no desire to hurt you or insult you.[/quote]
I feel like a large part of the problem within America itself is the lack of education about Islam AND the refusal to do so. Even if facts are laid out in front of some, even if an Imam comes out and condemns Al-Qaeda, a lot of people will flat out refuse to believe it. Instead of looking at the building of a mosque (blocks away from the WTCs) as a way to raise tolerance and understanding – some people actually think it is Muslims building a ‘victory mosque’.
I cannot even fathom thinking like that. The willing ignorance is just astounding.
But then on the other hand, we have Muslims in America who are so ethnocentric and stuck up it is just as astounding. And then we have the Mohammed cartoon bullshit where people were threatening the cartoonist’s LIFE over HORRIBLY UNCLEAR sketches. And then we have 9/11, the subway thing in England, the attempted attack in the Detroit bound plane, a US citizen plotting to blow up the NYC subway system, Al-Qaeda killing innocent contractors, etc.
And on top of all the terrorist shit - we have Islamic countries who are horrible to their women and hundreds of years behind the rest of the world, who are just as ignorant and bigoted, in regards to the USA.
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At first, before I met my wife, I was like most other Americans. Completely uneducated about Islam and somewhat prejudiced towards Muslims. My friends and I used to confuse Muslims with Hindus and we would throw cracker cows at some of them in the lunch room. Somewhat funny? Yes. In horribly bad taste? Yes.
But we were kids. We only knew what our parents told us about Islam. The difference is I went and I educated myself about Islam, because, I didn’t want some petty religious shit to keep me separated from this girl I was falling madly in love with. In turn, I also educated my friends about Islam, and luckily because of the generation we belong to - they were too quite open minded once taught.
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What am I trying to say after all of this?
The problem comes from both sides. There are a lot of people in the middle, but, as long as people on both ends of the spectrum keep flocking together and feeding off of each other and their bigotry, nothing will happen.
People need to be willing to educate themselves and people need to be willing to listen. People need to realize Al-Qaeda and the Taliban do not represent 90% of Muslims (and especially the ones who live in the USA trying to find a better life). Other people need to realize they need to try and create a better image for their people.
If you are a ‘good apple’ (like me) it feels like you are trying to climb a mountain with 500lbs on your back and a bullet hole through your thigh when you try to educate others about Islam or defend the majority of Muslims who are not terrorists.
There is too much on your shoulders (terrorists, ignorant Muslims, bad Islamic countries) and too much gravity (the willingly ignorant, people who find any reason to shoot down all Muslims, etc) to even begin to climb.
P.S. And btw, I actually didn’t know there was a difference between a preacher and a priest! Sorry.[/quote]
So, did you convert to Islam for your wife?
The only thing I think of when I see women in headscarves (hijab) is “how do they do that?” Seriously, not a single hair is seen. You never have to have a bad hair day. And some of those things can be beautiful works of art. There was a Muslim woman who rode the same bus as me when I was in Chicago, and she had the most beautiful headscarves with beading and other embellishments. They were beautiful and very feminine looking.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
The only thing I think of when I see women in headscarves (hijab) is “how do they do that?” Seriously, not a single hair is seen. You never have to have a bad hair day. And some of those things can be beautiful works of art. There was a Muslim woman who rode the same bus as me when I was in Chicago, and she had the most beautiful headscarves with beading and other embellishments. They were beautiful and very feminine looking. So, I asked what her name was, in an attempt to complement her appearance, and she responded, “It’s Frank”.[/quote]
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, did you convert to Islam for your wife?
The only thing I think of when I see women in headscarves (hijab) is “how do they do that?” Seriously, not a single hair is seen. You never have to have a bad hair day. And some of those things can be beautiful works of art. There was a Muslim woman who rode the same bus as me when I was in Chicago, and she had the most beautiful headscarves with beading and other embellishments. They were beautiful and very feminine looking.[/quote]
What a lot of people don’t realize is; in the better Islamic countries it is a choice if and when you start wearing hijab. My wife chose to start wearing hijab when she was 16. There are plenty of Muslim females who also don’t wear hijab at all (when their country gives them the choice).
I definitely agree with you that they can be very pretty and feminine looking. My wife has some that are pretty cool!
And to answer your question:
Yeah, I did convert to Islam for my wife. And I have been flamed to hell on these boards for it before.
According to some; I have no solid principles.
But I was not willing to let anything get in the way between me and my wife. I think that says a whole lot.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So, did you convert to Islam for your wife?
The only thing I think of when I see women in headscarves (hijab) is “how do they do that?” Seriously, not a single hair is seen. You never have to have a bad hair day. And some of those things can be beautiful works of art. There was a Muslim woman who rode the same bus as me when I was in Chicago, and she had the most beautiful headscarves with beading and other embellishments. They were beautiful and very feminine looking.[/quote]
What a lot of people don’t realize is; in the better Islamic countries it is a choice if and when you start wearing hijab. My wife chose to start wearing hijab when she was 16. There are plenty of Muslim females who also don’t wear hijab at all (when their country gives them the choice).
I definitely agree with you that they can be very pretty and feminine looking. My wife has some that are pretty cool!
And to answer your question:
Yeah, I did convert to Islam for my wife. And I have been flamed to hell on these boards for it before.
According to some; I have no solid principles.
But I was not willing to let anything get in the way between me and my wife. I think that says a whole lot.
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Gee, I wonder if they would say that if you had converted to Catholicism.
Islam is not a bad religion. It’s the people that make it bad. The conflict between Sunni and Shi’a, the Taliban and their killing people (so called justice) during intermissions at soccer games is what gives Islam the bad reputation. In the 1500s and 1600s (and before) the same could be said of Catholicism with the rampant burning of heretics and the Inquisition. If the different parts of Islam could just agree to disagree, sort of how Christianity has, it would be fine.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You can influence public opinion in America.
You cannot really influence suicide bombers with rallies.
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Oh. Well, if suicide types can’t be influenced towards peace, I guess they just have to be killed.[/quote]
That is probably true.
Creating even more of them however could be prevented.
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You’re proposing sterilization programs? Now, I wouldn’t go that far…[/quote]
Why?
THAT would actually be surgical precision.
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Spoken like the grandson that you are.[/quote]
Let him burn the things. When the nutjobs riot because of the actions of a loon in Florida, it’ll show how Islam makes them insane.